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MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/20/2016 9:03:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
The recording of the 1st plane was taken by a BBC crew doing a documentary and just got very lucky.

There were no planes, so that documentary must be a fraud.

Only two planes took off, not four, and none flew into any buildings.


Well the documentary was on the FDNY (Fire Dept. of NY) and was already and had been, in progress. And that clip showed what certainly appeared from the ground, to be an airplane. So no, the documentary itself was not a fraud.

Furthermore, I make no claims whatsoever as to just how many commercial airliners or other such potential simulative aircraft were actually involved.




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/20/2016 11:42:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Are you serious ? There has been nothing anywhere near 'concrete' evidence from the govt. or anybody else that proves what we've been told. You are just supposed to accept it and obviously...you have. I know, I am not supposed to believe my lying eyes.



Do you have any respect for the program NOVA? If you do, do a search for NOVA: Why The Towers Fell and watch the video. They sum it up pretty well, with science and physics... unless you think the government changed science and physics to fit their cover up.



What do you think makes their presentation conclusive.

I do not watch long videos any more unless someone has a specific point as for me it the 10 thousanth rerun.

I did skip through it until I heard a 'glaring' error about 1/3 of the way though it, so are you just recommending it because it sounds like physics to you, because I watch and see how well it fits real physics.

Did you spot the error btw?
It totally misrepresents and overshadows the premise.
I dont know what your background is, but I wanted to give you the chance to point it out the error if you understand the physics behind what they are talking about. There may be several more I just skipped through here and there all reruns for me unless there is something specific you wish to discuss.




Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/20/2016 11:53:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What do you think makes their presentation conclusive.

I do not watch long videos any more unless someone has a specific point as for me it the 10 thousanth rerun.

I did skip through it until I heard a 'glaring' error about 1/3 of the way though it, so are you just recommending it because it sounds like physics to you, because I watch and see how well it fits real physics.

Did you spot the error btw?
It totally misrepresents and overshadows the premise.
I dont know what your background is, but I wanted to give you the chance to point it out the error if you understand the physics behind what they are talking about. There may be several more I just skipped through here and there all reruns for me unless there is something specific you wish to discuss.



Point out the error. Being ambiguous about something is pointless when I am obviously willing to debate something that has logic involved.

Fire away.

Oddly, you responded to a post that I asked of someone else. So I will ask you. Do you have any respect for the program NOVA? If you do, do a search for NOVA: Why The Towers Fell and watch the video. They sum it up pretty well, with science and physics... unless you think the government changed science and physics to fit their cover up.

Please, respond directly to my point about NOVA.




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 12:06:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Random series of Gifs without sourcing information on each frame, and no explanation as to what they supposedly supply as proof.

Nope. I was raised to be a critical thinker and to use logic. I have spent a lot of time reading so called 9-11 "truth" sites. I have also spent time reading articles and watching TV documentaries from people with qualifications to debunk the so called "truthers". I sided with logic rather than speculation.

I can level many counter arguments (none of which you will believe), and you will no doubt twist my words, post more random Gifs with no sourcing and no detailed explanation as to what they "prove" so, this is really kind of pointless. You have your narrative of the day in question, I have my own. One is grounded fairly well in facts, and the other is based largely on speculation. I'll let you decide which is which.



Unless you know the material sources do you no good. I dont need sources because unless they are really fucking good fakes I can pick out all the anomolies to know they are fakes. Neither do I need some authority to cite I can do my own analysis and argue this matter straight up without some authority telling me what to think and say about anything.

However if you need sources for videos that even people who do a cursory glance at the subject then you are merely trying to bullshit your way through this. All the pics I posted are well known.

That and when I post a gif I wait a while to see who is sharp enough to pick out the problems with the official version.


[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%201/dablob_zpsi5tzwvhb.png[/image]

Since you are a critical thinker, identify a plane in the above pic?

because I do not see a plane, so prove to me that is a plane



[IMG]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/naudethitbs6.gif[/IMG]


Now on to the next issue, I see an anfo explosion not a jet fuel explosion.

Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.

You believe the official story so it goes without saying you believe that is a plane. or not?

So lets put your criticcal thinking skills to the test [&:]










Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 12:11:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What do you think makes their presentation conclusive.

I do not watch long videos any more unless someone has a specific point as for me it the 10 thousanth rerun.

I did skip through it until I heard a 'glaring' error about 1/3 of the way though it, so are you just recommending it because it sounds like physics to you, because I watch and see how well it fits real physics.

Did you spot the error btw?
It totally misrepresents and overshadows the premise.
I dont know what your background is, but I wanted to give you the chance to point it out the error if you understand the physics behind what they are talking about. There may be several more I just skipped through here and there all reruns for me unless there is something specific you wish to discuss.



Point out the error. Being ambiguous about something is pointless when I am obviously willing to debate something that has logic involved.

Fire away.

Oddly, you responded to a post that I asked of someone else. So I will ask you. Do you have any respect for the program NOVA? If you do, do a search for NOVA: Why The Towers Fell and watch the video. They sum it up pretty well, with science and physics... unless you think the government changed science and physics to fit their cover up.

Please, respond directly to my point about NOVA.


I did they made a huge error.

respect? respect is not relevant unless you are looking for 'believers' rather than hard science and hard facts.

thats ok I wanted to see if you caught it without me telling you because that is part of what a critical thinker does.

Sure, not a problemo, a plane hitting a wall leaves no puddling fuel, that is impossible, all the fuel is immediately misted as it slams into the objects and immediately burns as nist correctly noted. That said you get maybe 10 seconds of burn time before there is no more fuel to burn.

Here I will make it easy for you, this is a mere couple miles per hour, now imagine 586 miles per hour damn near the speed of a bullet. What possible reason would robertson want to take into consideration the fuel load in the design when its impossible to puddle lay around and burn?


[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/face.gif[/img]

take note how the water comes back forward, FEA (particle) done by sandia labs has shown the same thing happens when a plane wing slams into anything pole column whatever.

We seen no forward burst of flames nor did we see flames following the walls instead everything simply disappeared into the building just like stargate sg1.

explain?






mnottertail -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 4:25:55 AM)

That picture is misinformation and propaganda supplied by the illuminati. Here is real water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVeJsm0eGys

It proves you dont understant the magic words, alloidal-foef-magnacharta-thermite. You are one of the sheeple the government conspirators run around in circles all day long. Hows it feel to be a prisoner?.




Rule -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 5:25:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Well the documentary was on the FDNY (Fire Dept. of NY) and was already and had been, in progress.

Convenient, wasn't it? And planned...

Lots of people are insufficiently paranoid.




Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 10:07:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Unless you know the material sources do you no good.



Sure they do.

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I dont need sources because unless they are really fucking good fakes I can pick out all the anomolies to know they are fakes.


Yes, you should cite your source material.

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Neither do I need some authority to cite I can do my own analysis and argue this matter straight up without some authority telling me what to think and say about anything.


You have a science, physics, architectural, or building engineering degree?

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However if you need sources for videos that even people who do a cursory glance at the subject then you are merely trying to bullshit your way through this. All the pics I posted are well known.


Just a link will do fine. It's not much to ask of you, is it?

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That and when I post a gif I wait a while to see who is sharp enough to pick out the problems with the official version.


When you post a gif, as proof of something, it might be a good idea to explain, in detail, what I am supposed to be looking at.

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Since you are a critical thinker, identify a plane in the above pic?

because I do not see a plane, so prove to me that is a plane


You pull a blurry frame from a video, and you expect me to prove something from it? I don't see a plane either from that frame, it doesn't mean it isn't there. So, I have a question for you, in the Naudet film, how do you explain the people looking up to the sound of the plane? Were they acting? Or did the shadow government put loudspeakers all over Manhattan? You know... since there was no plane according to you.

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Now on to the next issue, I see an anfo explosion not a jet fuel explosion.

Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.



I see the plane hitting the building. Don't see anything else that is remarkable. The flash that takes place is caused by the plane hitting the building. The shadow is consistent with that. Unless you think the sun was in on it too.




Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 10:27:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I did they made a huge error.

respect? respect is not relevant unless you are looking for 'believers' rather than hard science and hard facts.

thats ok I wanted to see if you caught it without me telling you because that is part of what a critical thinker does.



Hard science and hard facts was what NOVA presented.

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Sure, not a problemo, a plane hitting a wall leaves no puddling fuel, that is impossible, all the fuel is immediately misted as it slams into the objects and immediately burns as nist correctly noted. That said you get maybe 10 seconds of burn time before there is no more fuel to burn.

Here I will make it easy for you, this is a mere couple miles per hour, now imagine 586 miles per hour damn near the speed of a bullet. What possible reason would robertson want to take into consideration the fuel load in the design when its impossible to puddle lay around and burn?


Let's think about why fuel load in an airplane is relevant to the building design. The fuel would not puddle and burn, it would violently explode. The design of the building would have to be able to withstand that violent explosion and remain standing. The resultant fire from the materials within the building is what would remain burning well after the fuel was consumed.

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take note how the water comes back forward, FEA (particle) done by sandia labs has shown the same thing happens when a plane wing slams into anything pole column whatever.

We seen no forward burst of flames nor did we see flames following the walls instead everything simply disappeared into the building just like stargate sg1.

explain?


As Ron pointed out, you get water moving fast enough, and it can cut steel. Get pretty much anything moving fast enough and it can penetrate another object.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOXbfjWJsU This is a video of a man throwing chopsticks into metal bowls and wood. And it is posted by Guinness World Records, so it isn't CGI.


Edited for clarity.




WickedsDesire -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 10:48:24 AM)

I have many letters after my name - relating /spent my lifetime in the construction industry from a technical aspect, and quality

.As Ron pointed out, you get water moving fast enough, and it can cut steel. Get pretty much anything moving fast enough and it can penetrate another object. Gauge the relevance is where? The planes velocity is determined is it not the thermite explanation a fuking laugh...and yet I found curious no weapons of doom in the regions torn were strife were ever cited as a comparable example

Real0ne I simply remain undecided and that in itself is enough. Next you will be telling the sheople prism is real ahaha

Something is gravely amiss on that day....I will leave it there




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 4:37:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I did they made a huge error.

respect? respect is not relevant unless you are looking for 'believers' rather than hard science and hard facts.

thats ok I wanted to see if you caught it without me telling you because that is part of what a critical thinker does.



Hard science and hard facts was what NOVA presented.

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Sure, not a problemo, a plane hitting a wall leaves no puddling fuel, that is impossible, all the fuel is immediately misted as it slams into the objects and immediately burns as nist correctly noted. That said you get maybe 10 seconds of burn time before there is no more fuel to burn.

Here I will make it easy for you, this is a mere couple miles per hour, now imagine 586 miles per hour damn near the speed of a bullet. What possible reason would robertson want to take into consideration the fuel load in the design when its impossible to puddle lay around and burn?


Let's think about why fuel load in an airplane is relevant to the building design. The fuel would not puddle and burn, it would violently explode. The design of the building would have to be able to withstand that violent explosion and remain standing. The resultant fire from the materials within the building is what would remain burning well after the fuel was consumed.

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take note how the water comes back forward, FEA (particle) done by sandia labs has shown the same thing happens when a plane wing slams into anything pole column whatever.

We seen no forward burst of flames nor did we see flames following the walls instead everything simply disappeared into the building just like stargate sg1.

explain?


As Ron pointed out, you get water moving fast enough, and it can cut steel. Get pretty much anything moving fast enough and it can penetrate another object.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOXbfjWJsU This is a video of a man throwing chopsticks into metal bowls and wood. And it is posted by Guinness World Records, so it isn't CGI.


Edited for clarity.


You have already impressed me that you are not a physics type, when you say they presented hard science, if they did they could not have made such an error as took me less than 3 minutes of watching to point out.

Feel free to dispute with your supporting evidence.

Oh sure, there is a kool pingpong ball experiment that demonstrates exactly that, however water jets at least the ones I have seen, all have grit mixed in the jet, and yeh you get a pretty nice cut too.

Of course that is not the argument, the argument remains that the tanks burst as the lightweight aluminum wings are sliced open upon impact as a result of extreme internal pressure sprays pretty much in all directions.

Do you dispute this and want to claim the tanks do not burst upon impact?


Which we do not see what so ever.

First off I already said that its possible in my MIT statement, so you are merely repeating what I said and apparently to pretend it can go completely through the exterior of the building like a knife through butter is that it?

So while it is CONDITIONALLY 'possible' you and snottie need to show that the correct conditions existed such that it is even probable.

Here are wooden poles with less strength and also less ability to resist breaking under impact conditions and as we can see the pole slices through the wing like butter

and for the wtc there was a column every 21", how did that wing stay intact all the through the building from the body to the very super light weight tip that is so light you cant even walk on it without putting your foot through it.
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[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SLICE.gif[/img]


In the plane above you can see the tanks burst open immediately upon impact.

Do you believe that the plane would suffer no damage and only the building would be damaged?

Do you believe the tanks would not burst open.....if so explain?


apparently you failed to do any homework. Fuel when misted in the manner that it would occur in a plane crash does not explode. Thats another misinformants red herring drama euphemism to fool anyone who has not done their homework.

At the very best under absolute perfect mixture conditions the fastest jet fuel can 'deflagrate' (not explode) using pure oxygen and the fuel as a vapor (not thicker as mist) is less than 3000ft per second and that is with a perfect stoichiometric mix. That said the fuel was not mixed even remotely proportionate (which is why it burns jet black instead of smokeless) and lucky if you could get a hundred feet per second which you can time the rate of expansion with your stop watch if you need an exact number.

here is another example, how the spray flies backwards. This is a tiny tank shot into what amounts to an egg slicer arrangement using thin guitar strings and you can see the backwash catch flames, there is no explosion.

[img]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d141/4dumdebunkers/deflag/deflagration_zpse01255e3.gif[/img]

We dont see ANY what so ever backwash in fact the building heals itself on the jennifer video, but the jennifer video reveals another interest twist to this story.

[img]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d141/4dumdebunkers/wtc%20planes/wtcwingdamage25_zpsqmduohdp.gif[/img]

So what happened to physics on that day? Since when can an aluminum plane go fast enough to crash though much stronger steel and not even suffer any damage? How can this be?

Now if you told me it was going the speed of light Id go away and stfu


Now a high explosive you are looking at a minimum of 15,000-24,000 ft/sec reaction which will damage steel.

So I always like to see how knowledgeable my opponents are, so can you tell us why misted fuel has no explosive value what so ever? (Hint I already gave you the answer)




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 5:39:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Yes, you should cite your source material.

You have a science, physics, architectural, or building engineering degree?

Just a link will do fine. It's not much to ask of you, is it?

When you post a gif, as proof of something, it might be a good idea to explain, in detail, what I am supposed to be looking at.

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Since you are a critical thinker, identify a plane in the above pic?

because I do not see a plane, so prove to me that is a plane


You pull a blurry frame from a video, and you expect me to prove something from it? I don't see a plane either from that frame, it doesn't mean it isn't there. So, I have a question for you, in the Naudet film, how do you explain the people looking up to the sound of the plane? Were they acting? Or did the shadow government put loudspeakers all over Manhattan? You know... since there was no plane according to you.

I see the plane hitting the building. Don't see anything else that is remarkable. The flash that takes place is caused by the plane hitting the building. The shadow is consistent with that. Unless you think the sun was in on it too.


Well gauge you either know the material you are trying to argue or you dont.
I should not have to explain every detail of any pic or clip, only the point I am making as I rarely need to dumb it down for engineers. Neither is it necessary when I argue with engineers about physics and engineering matters to cite anything since the pics and clips give you the data necessary for the argument. You are either capable or you are not. The pictures posted are the citations, no links required.

So you are demanding that I dumb it down for you?

That blurry pic and the blurry video clip is the same blurry clip you accepted as fact from the gubblmint that evil mooslems flew a plane into the building why wont you accept the same clip and pic from me?

Bit of a double standard there? You dont see any dishonesty in that?


Ok so you do not see anything remarkable, and the flash is caused by the plane that has yet to hit the building. So you do not understand that the shadow on the wall has to meet the nose before the plane can hit the building is that it? You wont be debating with me long if you think I am going to waste my time watching you duck and dodge every question with dishonest strawman responses. You just lost that round.






Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 5:45:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

.As Ron pointed out, you get water moving fast enough, and it can cut steel.




snotty is being a lil dishonest as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af7MmbmB34I




mnottertail -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 7:06:59 PM)

No,shitgobblerpatientzero, you are as you report still living with and slobbering your fraud and dishonesty 15 years later, but not just on this subject.

No fraud is intended, nor is it not germaine to your balloon fraud.

http://www.fedtech.com/services/non-abrasive-waterjet.html

water jet cutting is done without abrasives all the time.

While water balloon cutting is only in the depraved corners of the feeble minded, such as yourself feeblemindedzero.




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/21/2016 9:50:41 PM)

hey asswipe, your last video showed a waterjet cutting steel, waterjets used to cut steel use abrasive because no one has 3 lifetimes to wait for the part, this shit you post now is used for cork and foam rubber. what a bankrupt dishonest maroon.

besides you should be helping gauge out and tell him why that naudet film should be absolutely tack sharp.








vincentML -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/22/2016 5:28:43 AM)

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Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.

That is not an explosion you see. It is the glint of the sunlight hitting the fuselage of the plane as it is strikes the building. The sun has risen from the viewer's left over the East River. You can see the sun hitting the plane before the collision. Those are also not explosions.

The shadows following the collision are the result of the opacity of the gas clouds arising from the explosion.

It is September, before the clocks have been changed. The sun would be rising from a somewhat northeasterly angle. The Latitude of NYC is about 38 degrees North, so the angle of the sun leads that at Latitude 23 degrees where the Equinox is still eleven days ahead. In other words the period of daylight is already shortening in NYC.

It is easily explainable why that is an airplane. . . . or a very large bird.[8|]




mnottertail -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/22/2016 5:42:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

hey asswipe, your last video showed a waterjet cutting steel, waterjets used to cut steel use abrasive because no one has 3 lifetimes to wait for the part, this shit you post now is used for cork and foam rubber. what a bankrupt dishonest maroon.

besides you should be helping gauge out and tell him why that naudet film should be absolutely tack sharp.






Uh, no. In any case, the airplane and its contents take the place of abrasives, you have done yourself in.

Waterballoon maroon fail on your part.

I dont believe that a frame has to be tack sharp, but I do not myopically stare at a somg;e frame of nebulous blobs of shit and hallucinate things not there as you do, to the exclusion of all readily available evidence to the contrary, then claiming that is proof of some whacky piece of shit you have come up with in one of your bouts with your mental illness.




WhoreMods -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/22/2016 6:02:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML
It is easily explainable why that is an airplane. . . . or a very large bird.[8|]

Maybe it was one of those really big pteradactyls? (Quetzacoatlus, I think they're called.)
Did you see the photoshop somebody had done replacing the plane with the winged angel of death from Gilliam's The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen?
Some people have way too much time on their hands...




Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/22/2016 6:32:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

hey asswipe, your last video showed a waterjet cutting steel, waterjets used to cut steel use abrasive because no one has 3 lifetimes to wait for the part, this shit you post now is used for cork and foam rubber. what a bankrupt dishonest maroon.

besides you should be helping gauge out and tell him why that naudet film should be absolutely tack sharp.






Uh, no. In any case, the airplane and its contents take the place of abrasives, you have done yourself in.

Waterballoon maroon fail on your part.

I dont believe that a frame has to be tack sharp, but I do not myopically stare at a somg;e frame of nebulous blobs of shit and hallucinate things not there as you do, to the exclusion of all readily available evidence to the contrary, then claiming that is proof of some whacky piece of shit you have come up with in one of your bouts with your mental illness.


Like a plane? [8|] OMFG LOLOLOL


so if we go with your abrasives theory the hole should only have been 16ft the size of the fuselage of your imaginary plane.

If you look really close you can see the hijacker flipping everyone the bird too.





vincentML -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/22/2016 6:50:39 AM)

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If you look really close you can see the hijacker flipping everyone the bird too.

Nope. The sun was in his eyes. See above.




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