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Gauge -> 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 8:30:26 PM)

I do not want to discuss any conspiracy theory relative to the towers, pentagon or the downed flight in PA. In this thread, I would like to discuss the possibility that the US government allowed the terrorist attacks on 9-11-2001. I would like to discuss why they would do that, and who would benefit from it. I am fine with speculating, but please, if possible, remain within the realm of reality. I am interested in hearing what people think, mostly for my personal edification.

My personal take on this topic is that it is very possible that the government allowed the attacks to take place. The defense contractors would benefit, the contractors rebuilding the damage after the war would benefit, the oil companies sure benefited. However, aside from the money (most likely the primary reason) why would they do such a thing? So many people died as a result of that day.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 8:42:52 PM)

It would possibly also allow government agencies to increase their ideas of security and surveillance of the citizenry; making keeping a closer check on said citizenry's movements etc, that much easier ?



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:05:00 PM)

sadam hussien was beating the drum to sell oil in euros,
the talahaliban cut the cia out of its source of black ops income
the brits couldnt get their oil pipe to the black sea
the us fucked over the saudi investments

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the evidence in the demolition itself, you cant get damn near every floor blowing out debris if not by some kind of explosive or incinderary device and the planes did not have to plant all those explosives.

They simply blew it all to hell.


The fact that the commission report is literally born out of fraud, NIST got busted on many things that they today have redacted.


Pilots for truth have the records and demonstrated how the planes were swtiched, I have that convo somewhere if I can find it I will post it.

I dont think osama bin laden could do that.



vincentML -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:17:11 PM)

quote:

My personal take on this topic is that it is very possible that the government allowed the attacks to take place. The defense contractors would benefit, the contractors rebuilding the damage after the war would benefit, the oil companies sure benefited. However, aside from the money (most likely the primary reason) why would they do such a thing? So many people died as a result of that day.

You give reasons about why they might do that. Just speculations by you. Not much different from the conspiracy theories you correctly condemn imo.

But how was it done? Who was involved? Did GWB or Cheney give the command for the CIA and FBI to stand down? Why would those agencies do that? You have to be careful at this point because you are right on the edge of a new conspiracy theory.



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:18:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

why would they do such a thing? So many people died as a result of that day.



Why would churchill and eisenhower murder nearly a 1/2 million refugees and civilians in to the tune of less than 14 hours at dresden alone, a defenseless nonmilitary target?


In addition to the problems listed in my first post read this, dubya did.






Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:20:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

It would possibly also allow government agencies to increase their ideas of security and surveillance of the citizenry; making keeping a closer check on said citizenry's movements etc, that much easier ?



Yep, the Patriot Act, in it's very name, if you didn't agree with it, you were not a "Patriot".



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:22:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Not much different from the conspiracy theories you correctly condemn imo.





In order to condemn 'CORRECTLY' the conspiracy theories (which many of them today are btw are 'conspiracy FACTS') you first have to the gubmints 'conspiracy theory' is correct, I dont see that from you, so git crakin.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:26:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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Did you miss the part where I didn't want to discuss anything about the towers, the Pentagon or the downed flight in PA?

Dude, you are not going to suck me into your outlandish conspiracy theories on a thread where I expressed no interest in them.



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:30:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

<snip>



Did you miss the part where I didn't want to discuss anything about the towers, the Pentagon or the downed flight in PA?

Dude, you are not going to suck me into your outlandish conspiracy theories on a thread where I expressed no interest in them.



that wasnt a lead in to discuss the towers, its a fact that every one can see and anyone with even a blush of rudimentary knowledge would know that you dont get shoots of debris all the way up the side of a building where there are no holes.

No discussion offered no discussion required. Its a very simple fact. One that proves involvement.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:37:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

You give reasons about why they might do that. Just speculations by you. Not much different from the conspiracy theories you correctly condemn imo.

But how was it done? Who was involved? Did GWB or Cheney give the command for the CIA and FBI to stand down? Why would those agencies do that? You have to be careful at this point because you are right on the edge of a new conspiracy theory.


You have a point, however, in my opinion, conspiracy theories kind of go like this:

But anomaly this and anomaly that and speculative this and that PROVE that it was, in fact the anomaly.

Whereas, I am not offering anything as fact. I am clearly speculating, and not professing any factual information. The difference being, all I want are opinions, I am not saying my opinion is factual. I'm inviting speculation... because I want to know why, if at all, some folks could believe the government could do such a thing.

Forgive me but my insomnia, I fear, has made me unclear... have I proffered anything I have said as factual?

Edited to add: The bolded part is not intended as snark. I suffer from insomnia and if I am saying something that is not clear, I want it to be clear.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:39:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

that wasnt a lead in to discuss the towers, its a fact that every one can see and anyone with even a blush of rudimentary knowledge would know that you dont get shoots of debris all the way up the side of a building where there are no holes.

No discussion offered no discussion required. Its a very simple fact. One that proves involvement.


Once more for the cheap seats...

You are discussing the towers. A subject that I asked not be discussed. Was I not completely clear?



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:46:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

that wasnt a lead in to discuss the towers, its a fact that every one can see and anyone with even a blush of rudimentary knowledge would know that you dont get shoots of debris all the way up the side of a building where there are no holes.

No discussion offered no discussion required. Its a very simple fact. One that proves involvement.


Once more for the cheap seats...

You are discussing the towers. A subject that I asked not be discussed. Was I not completely clear?


No I am discussing the OP and used a condition of the tower that is impossible wthout government involvement, the tower was the evidence not the claim, as well as the other claims I made.




Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:48:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

You give reasons about why they might do that. Just speculations by you. Not much different from the conspiracy theories you correctly condemn imo.

But how was it done? Who was involved? Did GWB or Cheney give the command for the CIA and FBI to stand down? Why would those agencies do that? You have to be careful at this point because you are right on the edge of a new conspiracy theory.


You have a point, however, in my opinion, conspiracy theories kind of go like this:

But anomaly this and anomaly that and speculative this and that PROVE that it was, in fact the anomaly.

Whereas, I am not offering anything as fact. I am clearly speculating, and not professing any factual information. The difference being, all I want are opinions, I am not saying my opinion is factual. I'm inviting speculation... because I want to know why, if at all, some folks could believe the government could do such a thing.

Forgive me but my insomnia, I fear, has made me unclear... have I proffered anything I have said as factual?

Edited to add: The bolded part is not intended as snark. I suffer from insomnia and if I am saying something that is not clear, I want it to be clear.


no facts? then this thread is a total waste of time.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:50:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

No I am discussing the OP and used a condition of the tower that is impossible wthout government involvement, the tower was the evidence not the claim, as well as the other claims I made.



I did not want to discuss the towers. What was not clear about that?

You have offered nothing regarding government involvement regarding the attacks sans the towers, the pentagon or the aircraft downed in PA.

Do that, and I will respond to your input. Continue to espouse your rhetoric and I will, once again, refer you to my OP.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:52:27 PM)

I never really studied the patriot act but it sounds very much like that old saw about, "have you stopped beating your wife ?"............Everything you say is going to be wrong if the questioner wants it to be so.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:53:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

no facts? then this thread is a total waste of time.



Then stop wasting my time.

I never asked for speculative 'facts'. I asked, specifically for speculation, not speculations believed to be factual, regarding government involvement... which, if it was not clear, it should be by now.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:56:11 PM)

And I hate to say it, but I am not much of a patriot and would probably be even less of one if somebody tried to force it down my throat with some spurious act of Parliament.



Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:56:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I never really studied the patriot act but it sounds very much like that old saw about, "have you stopped beating your wife ?"............Everything you say is going to be wrong if the questioner wants it to be so.



Would you please clarify your statement?

I would like to understand, with clarity, your post. Again, not snarky... I want to understand your post and I don't.



Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 9:58:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

no facts? then this thread is a total waste of time.



Then stop wasting my time.

I never asked for speculative 'facts'. I asked, specifically for speculation, not speculations believed to be factual, regarding government involvement... which, if it was not clear, it should be by now.



dood all the NIST redactions 'IS' a fact, not a speculation, it proves gubmint involvement, but thats ok if you think arguing fantasy speculations has value be my guest.





Dvr22999874 -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/10/2016 10:03:21 PM)

Basically, as you said, if you didn't agree with the patriot act, you weren't a patriot. No dissent was allowed. you either answered the way the government wanted you to answer or you were one of the bad guys.

With the wife beating theme............no matter which answer you give, yes or no, you have to be wrong as you are admitting to beating your wife in the past or continuing to beat her now.

I think I would have been classified as one of the bad guys *smile*



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