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Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 12:37:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yes its irrational. September 11 is about the towers In your opinion. Not for what I fucking asked to discuss here. Leave that shit elsewhere... am I saying it wrong? Is what I am saying irrational? I'm dying over here...

Gauge -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 12:41:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers As with any effort to establish a new level of control over a society, one (govt.) must create fear. To do that and also cement that fear one must create an enemy. To galvanize America in that state of fear (and war), what was needed as stated in at least one publication and I think it was Brzezinski, [it] needed a new Pearl Harbor...we got fear and amazingly well-planned...we got an enemy too. How convenient. The real problem with such speculation as to why the govt. would allow it, IS to speculate on any lack of involvement (allowance) requiring speculation on any resulting involvement. Otherwise, just how does anybody and of course, that means anybody, successfully attack the Pentagon ? To speculate on anything so outlandishly criminal and just why it may have been 'allowed' to happen, requires one to speculate on...ALL of it. Going to try to go to bed. Quoting so I can pick up here when I am able to. Be well folks.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 1:39:05 AM)
Goodnight Gauge and sleep well friend

Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 4:23:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge I do not want to discuss any conspiracy theory relative to the towers, pentagon or the downed flight in PA. In this thread, I would like to discuss the possibility that the US government allowed the terrorist attacks on 9-11-2001. I would like to discuss why they would do that, and who would benefit from it. I am fine with speculating, but please, if possible, remain within the realm of reality. I am interested in hearing what people think, mostly for my personal edification. My personal take on this topic is that it is very possible that the government allowed the attacks to take place. The defense contractors would benefit, the contractors rebuilding the damage after the war would benefit, the oil companies sure benefited. However, aside from the money (most likely the primary reason) why would they do such a thing? So many people died as a result of that day. I have skimmed the thread and maybe I got an idea what you are after here. But we have to set forth a few things just to be sure before a statement can be made, it is like ten amps will flow because of Ohm's law. I will set forth my opinion, fi you don't like it the door is over there... There is absolutely no doubt that the government was complicit, complacent or incompetent during the attack on the WTC. Could be all. A half trillion dollar military budget and those little razor knives calle box cutters can cause all that mayhem ? Try to get that shit over on Israel with their Iron Dome, which WE PAY FOR. But we don't have it here ? However there are logistical problems. We got 19 people, 15 of the from Saudi Arabia on those planes, supposedly our ally. Apparently their government's approval rating might even be somewhat below ours. Gauge, if you want an intelligent discussion of this subject there are many facets of it that need to be explored. Like the choice of target. Why didn't they just fly all those planes into the whitehouse and pentagon ? And they could have killed more people at a fucking football game. And the there is the question of why did only 3,000 die ? Alot more people worked there but they got a phone call telling them to take the day off. Who made those calls ? And the guy who owned the buildings just got double insurance on them and tried to collect twice. realization of these facts is crucial to a cogent discussion on the subject. And the coverup of all evidence, and supposedly the black boxes from the planes just shot off to the moon or some shit, this raises alot of suspicion. I am starting to think the government is trying to get us to ignore suspicion so we just believe them blindly. Fat chance, at least with me. I analyse every fucking word I read. So now, to your specific question : The US government has been fleecing the People for a long time and the People are getting wise to it. They know it and with the advent of the internet that knowledge is spreading like wildfire. And they know it. And they know a few other things. First of all all cops and soldiers are not heartless killers and and mercenaries. Yes, some are but not all. So they cannot depend on all of them for protection and in fact some on the inside might turn on them and kill them Another thing they know is that there is a MAJOR financial crash coming and dollar won't be worth a dime. The few things made here won't be affected that much but all imports will go up drastically. What else will happen is that the paychecks for the cops and soldiers might just start bouncing. Now, soldiers in the army generally come from poor backgrounds, where their options were literally crime or army. So many are into crime now that it is not looking so good. Too much competition. Anyway, I can't believe that all republicans have a two digit IQ, so that means the smart ones do not want to run right ow because the know the crash is coming and want a democrat to Preside over it. Even though they helped cause it, the next election they can say "See !". Anyway, there are hundreds of millions of guns in this country and they know they don't even know how many. The know how many in the last twenty years of something but I got a revolver made in 1911 that is just as deadly as a brand new Glock if used correctly. They know who deserves to get shot, it is them. Now, they will look at y post and decide if I am enough of a threat to come and fuck with. The PATRIOT ACT was passed with someone telling congress (reps and senators) that if they didn't pass it they would be responsible for the next terrorist attack. Just who the fuck was telling them that ? Has anyone ever thought about that ? And none of them read it. Ron Paul introduced a bill that would require a certain tie between the introduction of a bill and a vote so congress could know what the fuck was in in it. they shot it down summarily, I think it would be a good idea. Give them one day per page, the fucking PATRIOT ACRT is like 1,200 pages. Want it passed now, cut it short so that OUR REPRESENTATIVES CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR. But they are not our representative. Paul was, Trafficant was, Sander was, err is I guess still, I think Alan Grayson is. That's what I can come up with out of 535. Anyway, to the core of this OP, the government needed an excuse to protect itself from We The People. The know this because they see the internet revealing their secrets and lies, and see social media and see people like me who say they come for my guns they get the lead part first And they know how many unregistered guns were sold by rax record of Smith and Wesson Ruger and so forth. And they know we will ot just turn them in and they know they cannot go door to door and search every dresser drawer. So they allow terrorist attacks to make us believe we are powerless and only the can save us, even though they flat out refuse to. All this is in their best interest, or so they think. There is one little hole in their reasoning, and that is people are losing confidence in them. And rightly so. They have never stopped one foreign attack. The only attacks they stopped were entrapment by the FBI against kids who were radicalised RIGHT HERE IN THE US, but were stupid. I wish they would approach me, I would treat it like a game, and I would beat their fucking pants off. Come on down and play some poker, and not holdem, REAL poker. I'll have your shirt. I might sound like I am full of hubris with that but let me say this : if they were smarter they would not be working for the government. Can you get hulu ? My PC is fucked up right now and I haven't figured out how I want to deal with it otherwise I would give you a direct link. Go and find an episode of the new (stsarted in 1995) of Outer Limits and watch th episode called "Zig Zag". That SOB runs you around in circles as bad as Quentin Tarantino but in the end reveals a strategy so well thought out it is actually surprising. And it is in a kinda Tarantino style where the timeline is fucked up. Has a scene and then it is like "TWO WEEKS EARLIER" n shit. I sometimes wonder if it would be better if we reedited it to be sequential. But fuck it.. But in some cases the US government strategized quite well, but them days are over. Chess ? I doubt they can even play checkers. And they don't even know when to concede. T^T

mnottertail -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 5:35:09 AM)
Presidential briefing 6 Aug 2001: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf I would say inaction was a factor. Did they know specifically it was going to be WTC? No. Did they know that foreigners of doubtful motive were training in planes? Yes. and so on.

MariaB -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 6:05:49 AM)
They say that one in seven Americans are suspicious about the circumstances behind 9/11. I'm surprised its so few. In the UK I'd say its higher than one in two, so that turns the conspirator at least in many countries outside of the U.S, on its head. I'm not sure what I believe but when I've tried to follow the dollar trail from that terrible day, its plain to see why people are suspicious. The privatization of the second tower which was sitting on a new and ridiculously high but temporary insurance just prior to the attack. Silverstein were very much quid’s in from that pay out. The White House insiders who cashed out their portfolios the day before the terrorist plot unfurled has to have you wondering and the insider trading on ‘put’ options in the days leading up to 9/11 could be seen as foreknowledge but the biggest one for me has to be the anthrax scare which raised its head from the dust of 9/11. We now know that Bush, Cheney and other high government official were tipped to start taking Ciprofloxacin (an antibiotic which protects against Anthrax) on the same day the twin towers fell. The general public however weren’t warned about any Anthrax scare until Sept 27th. 9/11 alone was not enough to bring about 'The Patriot Act' but the combination of 9/11 and this new threat of anthrax had most people all too willing to surrender their civil liberties.

Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 6:12:24 AM)
The fuck do you call logic ? First of Yousef was entrapped. Te explosives were provided by the FBI. There are audio recording of a phone conversation carries by sites like the New York Times n shit. I think it is pretty for sure. According to my sources Yousef was told by the FBI that the explosives were fake, and he intended no harm and called them and asked why they had given him real explosives. Originally he was told that the idea was that they would find the explosives (that were fake) and that would warrant more government invasion of privacy, for your safety of course. And of course the amount and strength of the explosives were only enough to damage a bunch of cars in the parking lot. The FBI pulled that shit here years ago, got some stupid kids to blow up a bridge. Fake explosives this time but once he pushed the button on that cellphone he was as guilty as if he had killed a thousand people. They are trying to root out the people with the backbone to do anything and eliminate them. Just like when you have a herd of cows and some of them are always running off or something, you slaughter them and have them for supper. The ones who are happy in the fence get to keep giving milk. And they come up with more stupid regulations all the time, just waiting for those who will stand up and say FUCK YOU, and thus become their next target. It is called social engineering and was invented quite a long time ago, but to learn about it you have to engage in some independent education. Most people don't do that, and that is why it works. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 7:29:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB They say that one in seven Americans are suspicious about the circumstances behind 9/11. I'm surprised its so few. In the UK I'd say its higher than one in two, so that turns the conspirator at least in many countries outside of the U.S, on its head. I'm not sure what I believe but when I've tried to follow the dollar trail from that terrible day, its plain to see why people are suspicious. The privatization of the second tower which was sitting on a new and ridiculously high but temporary insurance just prior to the attack. Silverstein were very much quid’s in from that pay out. The White House insiders who cashed out their portfolios the day before the terrorist plot unfurled has to have you wondering and the insider trading on ‘put’ options in the days leading up to 9/11 could be seen as foreknowledge but the biggest one for me has to be the anthrax scare which raised its head from the dust of 9/11. We now know that Bush, Cheney and other high government official were tipped to start taking Ciprofloxacin (an antibiotic which protects against Anthrax) on the same day the twin towers fell. The general public however weren’t warned about any Anthrax scare until Sept 27th. 9/11 alone was not enough to bring about 'The Patriot Act' but the combination of 9/11 and this new threat of anthrax had most people all too willing to surrender their civil liberties. They prey on people who are deathly afraid to die and therefore don't think straight. Well I welcome death, so they have no fucking idea what to do with me. Like jail, so many people fear it they use that fear. Tell you what, I meet a better class of people in jail than out. You know who you can trust because if you have any dealings after you get out that 9mm pointed at his skull makes him very trustable. But they got good connections for all kids of dope, guns, car parts, damn, about anything you want. But you don't even have to break out the gun, most of them just want to do business. This is where people get their misconceptions about the imaginary "mafia". You do not kill your customers. You do not kill people who work for you. All the shit most people think they know is from the movies and is a bunch of fiction. The Godfather was a bunch of shit, even Goodfellas was a bunch of shit. The closest any of them guys had going was Gotti, and before him, Capone. The gangs in Chicago and Detroit are closer to the movie image of "the mob" and even then it ain't that close. The "people" in the old days had loyalty. As long as you were loyal to them they were loyal to you. You be careful what you do and remember when to keep your fucking mouth shut they will help you out to no end. I became an honorary Italian with two words out of my mouth in court. It ain't like they play it on TV at all. Sure I got "made" by taking the high road and the stiffer sentence. But you know what ? My connection made a phone call and the judge himself came to my cell with the property slip and got me out the next day. Some crooked politicians are pretty cool. It was a fixed ticket but there was some sort of investigation, our guy gave me back the ticket, and once fixed he ain't sposed to do that. They all go back to one person who destroys ALL copies, my copy was evidence. They kept me back to the end of the line so that NOBODY was in that courtroom and the judge asked me "Who gave you this ?". I can tell you the name now because the guy has been dead a while, he was probably expecting me to say Frank Felice. Instead I said :"The police". He knew I knew how to keep my mouth shut, and I will not talk about people who are alive, and in fact if they haven't been dead like ten years I would rather not because they might have kids or whatever. But Frank was the head of the local Teamsters and owned a bunch of businesses. And thesea guysa theya ain'ta so bad. One guy rode up a tab at Franks bar, and stopped coming there. So he has a debt and Frank sent a couple of goombas "Bring him to me". The guy was about shitting his pants and then Frank speaks. "Look, maybe you don't got my money, but you haven't been around, that means you are drinking and eating somewhere else, and paying cash. I understand people get short, and I am not going to shoot you over the $XXX you owe me, but if you disappear I am not only out what you owe me but also your business. You just can't run the tab anymore". And that is a perfect example. There was a time I guess back in the 1930s they had a mob of sorts and strongarmed people. But over the years, like certain governments, they learned you catch more flies with honey. They want people who want to be associated with them. For example, you got a bar and you need someone who is not a convicted felon to have the liquor license in his name. There is some risk involved but you get a good slice of the profits for doing nothing and even more if you do something which you should because you should be keeping an eye on the place. See if the barmaids are dealing drugs and shit like that. Seriously, just been there done that. They offered the kid (friend less than half my age but a fairly substantial individual) half the profits to have the license in his name. He had the smarts to turn it down, and the asshole convicted felon ran it into the ground. He picked up an olady and had the license in her name, but then the dumb SOB beat her ass so now, I am not sure what is going on. The fact that he beat her ass made social media and the crowd dwindled to fucking nothing. I mean a bar with live bands that only has seven people there on a Friday night ? He fucking blew it because he is an asshole. If the kid had the license in his name, well he is 24, and quite a bit bigger than that asshole and he would have kicked ass. And the kid has no felonies so he can have a gun too. See this is how things are done. like "Honey, this is going in your name and those are going in my name" and all the reasons why are figured out. And she signs or else no more credit card, no more BMW or whatever the fuck he got her. This is how it works. If you think that is the "mob" then this whole country is the mob. Nobody wants to pay these motherfuckers taxes, and I mean we ALL agree on that. Every small business loses money on the books, while the owner flies his Cessna down to Mexico to pick up another hundred pounds of weed. And then they paid me $40,000 a year CASH UNDER THE TABLE. I actually asked, how the fuck do you liberate that much tax free cash and he said don't worry about it. Okey dokey. People don't have any idea how business in the lower classes really works in this country. And while I really don't like but don't care, drive by a welfare office and look at all the $60,000 SUVs and other expensive cars. If they need food stamps, how the fuck do they afford that shit ? And the fuckig n____s probably have a better stereo than me. Motherfuckers. We are an entire nation of criminals. That includes the government. And we are used to it. Even in the suburbs I am hearing horror stories about what local government did. And I am hearing about laws that are not just unconstitutional but ridiculous. Like you can't fucking have a jetski in your driveway. What's even worse is that someone call the fucking police over it ! Are you fucking kidding me ? And the name of the town, this has to be the biggest joke in the world, the name of the town is Independance. Actually I want to call attention to this - the fact that a united states citizen called the police because their neighbor had a jetski in the driveway is very disturbing. And the fact that the police did not just laugh, but instead responded is even more disturbing. All these motherfuckers need to be deported to Singapore, they would love it there. Or we could just start shooting them. T^T

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 7:40:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or There is absolutely no doubt that the government was complicit, complacent or incompetent during the attack on the WTC. Could be all. T^T Yeh and they alaways blame not enough money which is also a complete farce and line of bullshit. I posted several times the results of the CAFR audits and how they squirrel away money in trust accounts under the carpet, all while screaming no money. Its dereliction of duty, collusion, negligence, willful negligence, and and any number of shades of treason and trust violation. A criminal mob

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 7:47:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or The fuck do you call logic ? First of Yousef was entrapped. Te explosives were provided by the FBI. Originally he was told that the idea was that they would find the explosives (that were fake) T^T Manufacturing terror, the FBI are the terrorists, along with all their complicit 3 letter agencies. Hell they monitor every word uttered with their pals in israel who controls the phone communication, they know exactly when to puch a button and how hard to push, and they do exactly that. Despite the FBI being complicit in manufacturing crime are they every held responsible? nope. People simply forgive anything the gubblemint does. We have a oligarchial dictatorship, and we aint in it. Hell even the mafia *votes* on who they axe

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 7:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Presidential briefing 6 Aug 2001: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf I would say inaction was a factor. Did they know specifically it was going to be WTC? No. Did they know that foreigners of doubtful motive were training in planes? Yes. and so on. yeh, al qaida is arabic for 'database', and it just so happens the cia used the al qqaida to communicate and track and give orders to its mujahadeen fighters. Its well known the cia controls the drug cartels and uses the money for the black ops. Binny was dubyas butt buddy in the oil biziness, and binny was dead long before the fairytail ohaha put on. The nice thing about binny is they are foreign and they can pretend they cant do anything about all his dastardly deeds and pull the strings from behind the scenes and dumb assed americans are none the wiser. Which is exactly what they do. Binnys daddy got a whole string of contracts building bases for yep dubya and co., and no its not a republican thing and the other nutsuckers are off the hook, its a joint mob operation, next time its your nutsuckers, which I can start on next if so inclined.

Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 8:02:41 AM)
No Real, Al Qaeda means "The Base". T^T

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 8:10:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or They prey on people who are deathly afraid to die and therefore don't think straight. It was a fixed ticket but there was some sort of investigation, our guy gave me back the ticket, and once fixed he ain't sposed to do that. They all go back to one person who destroys ALL copies, my copy was evidence. They kept me back to the end of the line so that NOBODY was in that courtroom and the judge asked me "Who gave you this ?". T^T Yep, you get that a lot with pro se's who know the law and how to defend themselves in court. Especially in the municipal actions and small claims, you will be last in the court because they found out the hard way that their house of cards tumbles quickly, and a wind up watching a whole string of revenue walk out the door all to many times. All it takes is one look at the pleadings. Tell ya this I would never and I mean ever have a damn shitbag attorney 'represent' me in any kind of a case outside strictly an advisory capacity because the fuckers go behind your back suck the judge and make sweet deals that you wind up stuck with when you would otherwise win the case because you gave them ta da 'power of attorney'.

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 8:14:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or No Real, Al Qaeda means "The Base". T^T um.. ok yeh In a 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote: During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding.

Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 8:15:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or There is absolutely no doubt that the government was complicit, complacent or incompetent during the attack on the WTC. Could be all. T^T Yeh and they alaways blame not enough money which is also a complete farce and line of bullshit. I posted several times the results of the CAFR audits and how they squirrel away money in trust accounts under the carpet, all while screaming no money. Its dereliction of duty, collusion, negligence, willful negligence, and and any number of shades of treason and trust violation. A criminal mob Just like education, teachers making a hundred grand a year and the yearbook is "This Is Are Story". And this was highschool because third graders could could be excused for such a mistake were not the publishers of it. And NOBODY caught it. The teachers ? Fuck, the studets should have caught it. They were not second graders, in fact I knew better before I even went to kindergarten. What are these people, just animals that can bark articulately ? And they make more money than me but I have to keep up on technical data and updates, buy expensive test equipment and have a bunch of tools as well, but the teachers who taught these kids that "This Is Are Story" is OK make a hundred fucking grand a year for seven or whatever months work. This "sound it out" shit is for little kids just learning to read. It is not for people who are getting a (useless) highschool diploma. Fucking embarrassing I say. I hope not too many foreigners picked that up, we are already enough of a fucking laughing stock. T^T

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 8:22:48 AM)
and who 'controls' the bulk of the education? and if not the gub the books accepted, and the book writers, hell no one knows about the real holocaust and what 'We the good guys' did to the civilian population of defenseless towns. Hell it was even called 'terror' bombing with the intent of genocide. then to ask if the gubblemint could do soemthing like that [8\|] lol Fuck its all they do, and its the only thing they do well.

MrRodgers -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 9:44:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or No Real, Al Qaeda means "The Base". T^T um.. ok yeh In a 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote: During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Several hundred thousand a month went to "Tim Osman” OBL's code name for the CIA, the biggest criminal org. on earth.

kdsub -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 9:57:39 AM)
Perhaps in a secretive country such as Iran something of this nature could be possible…but not in the US. Either allowing or perpetrating the destruction of 9/11 would take many individuals and coordination across government organizations. Do you really think it is possible to keep something like this quiet? How well did the Snowden thing go? Butch

WhoreMods -> RE: 9/11: Could the US Government Have Allowed the Attacks? (9/11/2016 10:18:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Perhaps in a secretive country such as Iran something of this nature could be possible…but not in the US. Either allowing or perpetrating the destruction of 9/11 would take many individuals and coordination across government organizations. Do you really think it is possible to keep something like this quiet? How well did the Snowden thing go? Butch Careful: you'll have conspiracy boy pointing out that nobody knows about the FEMA death camps if you go talking like that. [;)]

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