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stef -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, an (9/21/2016 6:25:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub We can only go by our personal experience. When there are hundreds of thousands of arrests or questionings every day I don't think it is fair or wise to brand all police for a relatively rare incident as racists. The minute I ever say all police are racists, you can trot out that argument again. What's next, are you going to take Bama's genius approach and say that I'm happy when police officers get shot and killed?

kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, an (9/21/2016 7:01:21 PM)
I was not accusing you personally of anything... I was just answering to your post on the attitude of the police I know when it comes to blacks or anyone fleeing from police. Of those I know personally what I posted was in general what they feel. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/21/2016 8:15:09 PM)
quote: Because China and Islam don't give a flying fuck about social justice and teaching kids to be fucking idiotic ideological walkovers will turn the country into a nation of useless fucks. Tell us please, in which of our modern wars has the ideology of individual soldiers lead to a nation's victory? NM. The answer is None. An ideology of Ubermenchen has never been an advantage. History has shown, I think, that the advantage goes to advanced technology and industrial capacity. Soldiers cry and die no matter what their ideology. Your theory of useless or useful fucks just makes no sense.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/21/2016 8:41:58 PM)
quote: We can only go by our personal experience. When there are hundreds of thousands of arrests or questionings every day I don't think it is fair or wise to brand all police for a relatively rare incident as racists. Straw man, Butch. Saying that America has a history of institutional racism is not saying that all police are racists. quote: But there is one thing police cannot do and that is to allow erosion of their authority. Demanding respect of authority is the only way they can perform their duty to innocent civilians. Respect is earned; it is not gained by demand in a democracy. The mayor of NYC has cancelled the ill-advised and unconstitutional stop and frisk program and instituted a program of community engagement. That is a more effective way to gain respect . . . . by giving it. quote: This is especially true if you have poorly trained police officers. In most all the cases in the news if the victims had followed police instructions, even if those instructions were against their rights, the situation would not have escalated to tragedy. I am not forgiving all the police involved in these incidents but there is, in most cases culpability of the victim. We all have biases. Police have biases. They need to learn to put them aside. Based on the video of the Crutcher murder it seems that cop was acting out of bias and fear. quote: I've said it many times and believe it true....Police should not be expected to solve our social problems. We should demand accountability of our police but should also demand all follow the rule of law. Of course we should. Historically, there have been very few prosecutions of police for shootings. quote: Changes need to be made socially to reduce racism and crime among the greatest offenders and right as of now, in relation to their numbers ,these are African Americans. You're accusing blacks of being racists? How can we hope for social changes when so many Americans refuse to listen to Black angst and dismiss it as false or irrelevant? quote: It does no good to ignore facts and point fingers when police and their problems with African Americans are the result of social ills not racism. They are having to react to these social ills not causing them. When unarmed citizens are killed it is a police problem. You are blaming the victims and you are indeed excusing the police. Just my opinion, Butch.

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 3:01:25 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD FR over the weekend another cop hater went on a rampage in Philly. His note said he was going to kill cops. He started by shooting a cop sitting in her car 4 times. By the time they stopped him he had wounded 3 cops and one civilian, and killed one civilian. How is it that a graduate of the university of dumbass thinks that police are not civilians?

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 3:06:52 AM)
ORIGINAL: stef You're trying to use logic with Bama? That's adorable. You would have better luck asking a hamster to solve quadratic equations. If you start with a hamster that is not a copsucker and son of a copsucker who was not a graduate of the university of dumbass it could happen.

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 3:22:08 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Everything I have seen about Tulsa says the cop who shot him should do hard time, and most likely the one who tazered him. Just so we do not misinterpret what you mean what should they be charged wih? Murder 1 Murder 2 Voluntary manslaughter? Involuntary manslaughter? Disturbing the peace? Littering? What would you consider an appropriate sentencxe? Double life plus 99? Life without parole? 99 years? 20 years? 10 years? House arrest? Administrative leave? Promotion to sgt. and two weeks paid leave?

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 3:28:32 AM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 ORIGINAL: dcnovice We will all gain an understanding of amerika when they count the number of votes trump gets. [/quote] That's what terrifies me. exactly what would that understanding be? wait, I know the leftist answer---greedy, bigoted, racist, misogynist, homophone, xenophobe, islamophobe, etc., right? Is it yopur position that trump is not greedy? Is it your position that trump is not bigoted? Is it your position that trump is not a racist? Is it your position that trump is not a mysognist? Is it your position that trump is not homophobic? Is it your position that trump is not xenophobic? Is it your position that trump is not islamaphobic? Or is it your position that he is and that is why you plan to vote for him?

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 3:41:45 AM)
ORIGINAL: Awareness Because China and Islam don't give a flying fuck about social justice and teaching kids to be fucking idiotic ideological walkovers will turn the country into a nation of useless fucks. That's why. Christ! What do china, a country, and islam, a religion, have to do with what we teach amerikan children? How does a belief in social justice and humanity make one an ideological "walkover"?

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 4:05:10 AM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub We are lucky in my town, now not St Louis but my adjacent home town in that our police are trained well in deescalating contentious encounters. This came about when the police officers were murdered just to stop police retaliation. Our government got together with prominent black leaders and formed a committee to address racial problems real and imagined. It has worked very well and there has been a big improvement in racial relations. Butch do you realize that you just validated the retalitory murder of cops? It would seem, that from your above statement the authorities recognizeed that retaliation is a valid tool to bring about social justice. But there is one thing police cannot do and that is to allow erosion of their authority. Could you be a bit more specific as to what the authority of the cops is? Is it absolute? You have mentioned before that you feel it is within theire authority to fondle your daughter? What law can you cite that you feel supports that point of view? Demanding respect of authority is the only way they can perform their duty to innocent civilians. How is it that you think that the police are not civilians? Ignoring requests... Why do you think anyone is required to honor a request? If a cop requeat you to suck his cock are you obligated to do so? and if necessary demands from police no matter the reason will end bad. In texas it is legal to resist unlawful actions by the cops with lethal force. Would you be in favor of a similar statute in mo.? This is especially true if you have poorly trained police officers. In most all the cases in the news if the victims had followed police instructions, even if those instructions were against their rights, the situation would not have escalated to tragedy. I am not forgiving all the police involved in these incidents but there is, in most cases culpability of the victim. The black woman named sandra would not stop smoking when requested so she was murdered by the cops. If he had requested a blow job would that have been different? I've said it many times and believe it true....Police should not be expected to solve our social problems. We should demand accountability of our police but should also demand all follow the rule of law. Changes need to be made socially to reduce racism and crime among the greatest offenders and right as of now, in relation to their numbers ,these are African Americans. It does no good to ignore facts and point fingers when police and their problems with African Americans are the result of social ills not racism. They are having to react to these social ills not causing them. Otherwise many African Americans with real problems are choosing the wrong target and to me taking the wrong path to solving them. Crispus attuks resisted unlawful authority and was murdered for it and became the first man to die in the amerikan revolution.

Termyn8or -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 8:27:17 AM)
"How is it that you think that the police are not civilians? " When they are on duty they are not. Also, in many places there are required to carry their gun at all times even off duty when in public. That is not a civilian. A civilian does not have the right to tell me to put my gun down, lay down on the ground or put my hands on the car and search my pockets, my car, my house. A civilian does not have the right to put handcuffs on me and put me in a cage. So how is it you think they are civilians, stupidity ? You've proven that with your stupid shit like calling people stupid and saying all kinds of shit that is utter bullshit about them. You need to grow up. T^T

Awareness -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 8:35:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Because China and Islam don't give a flying fuck about social justice and teaching kids to be fucking idiotic ideological walkovers will turn the country into a nation of useless fucks. Tell us please, in which of our modern wars has the ideology of individual soldiers lead to a nation's victory? NM. The answer is None. An ideology of Ubermenchen has never been an advantage. History has shown, I think, that the advantage goes to advanced technology and industrial capacity. Soldiers cry and die no matter what their ideology. Your theory of useless or useful fucks just makes no sense. Useless fucks vote in similarly useless fucks. The left are a parade of useful idiots just paving the way for an infestation of Islamic hatred and an economic takeover by the Chinese military. And you're wrong - America became a superpower because WWII meant stoking the fires of extreme nationalism. By whipping the populace into a patriotic fervour, the nation became an industrial powerhouse. Leftist idiots stoking white guilt are going to do the exact opposite while corporations export jobs to cheaper countries. The result will be a nation of fucking pussies who don't understand why they can't get a job and spend the vast majority of time whining about safe spaces. That nation will be comprehensively eaten alive and out-competed by China, India and every other 3rd world shit-hole where people don't have the luxury of engaging in existentialist angst.

kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 11:16:59 AM)
Vince I do not deny history... but I am talking about today... we must learn and remember the past but not live in it. Respect is not earned when it comes to the rules of civilization...laws are laws and apply to us all. There can be no gradual acceptance of the rule of law depending on the amount of respect a person has for a legal designated representative of the laws we all create and agree to. Acting out of fear I agree... I do believe training is essential for good policing. I am not accusing blacks of being racist but i am accusing them being more unlawful then many other groups in relation to their numbers. I have stated over and over there are social issues that account for the high crime rate...but these issues are not the fault of police... but police have to respond to them. Vince the rare occurrences of police atrocities, either from racism or poor training, cannot and should not be ignored but is a far less problem than black on black crime....and legitimate racial concerns. Butch

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 12:21:04 PM)
ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "How is it that you think that the police are not civilians? " When they are on duty they are not. Also, in many places there are required to carry their gun at all times even off duty when in public. So can thee and me and we are civilians That is not a civilian. Yes it is dumbass. A civilian does not have the right to tell me to put my gun down, lay down on the ground or put my hands on the car and search my pockets, my car, my house. A civilian does not have the right to put handcuffs on me and put me in a cage. Yes they do it is called a citizens arrest. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. So how is it you think they are civilians, stupidity ? Try reading the constitution dumbass. The military are not allowed to act as cops except when martial law has been declared. If you knew anything about smedley butler you would know he was fired as the chief of police of philladelphia because he was using active dutry marines as cops. You've proven that with your stupid shit like calling people stupid and saying all kinds of shit that is utter bullshit about them. Truth is an absolute defense. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. You need to grow up. You need to get a growqn up to help you with a dictionary and learn the definition of civilian.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 1:51:12 PM)
Butch, we talked about relative crime rates in an earlier thread. What you say is true when you limit your demographics to race, however, not true when you also factor in percentage below poverty level. We have not learned from history. Black communities feel besieged by police. In Brownsville, Brooklyn, NY, nearly 93 out of ever 100 residents were stopped by police in 2009 via a stop and frisk program which has been found to be unconstitutional, but which Trump said just yesterday should be reinstated. "Since 2003, after Mayor Bloomberg took office, NYPD stop and frisks have increased 600 percent. In 2011, a record 684, 330 stops were conducted by New York City police officers. In the first three months of 2012, the NYPD stopped and frisked people 203,500 times. In the same three months last year, the NYPD stopped people 183,326 times. " Blacks and Latinos were disproportionally stopped and searched. Nine out of ten of those stopped in 2011 were not arrested nor given a summons. "More Young Black Men Were Stopped By The NYPD In 2011 Than There Are Young Black Men in New York City" Again in 2011 whites were twice as likely to be found with a weapon than blacks. It goes on and on. We have not learned from history. Police continue to batter minority neighborhoods. NYPD Stop And Frisks: 15 Shocking Facts About A Controversial Program And now today to add insult to injury the Charlotte, NC Chief of Police admits there is no definitive proof on the video to show the victim was pointing a gun but he will not release it, and this with the city ready to burn down around him. What a friggin asshole.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 4:30:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Butch, we talked about relative crime rates in an earlier thread. What you say is true when you limit your demographics to race, however, not true when you also factor in percentage below poverty level. We have not learned from history. Black communities feel besieged by police. In Brownsville, Brooklyn, NY, nearly 93 out of ever 100 residents were stopped by police in 2009 via a stop and frisk program which has been found to be unconstitutional, but which Trump said just yesterday should be reinstated. "Since 2003, after Mayor Bloomberg took office, NYPD stop and frisks have increased 600 percent. In 2011, a record 684, 330 stops were conducted by New York City police officers. In the first three months of 2012, the NYPD stopped and frisked people 203,500 times. In the same three months last year, the NYPD stopped people 183,326 times. " Blacks and Latinos were disproportionally stopped and searched. Nine out of ten of those stopped in 2011 were not arrested nor given a summons. "More Young Black Men Were Stopped By The NYPD In 2011 Than There Are Young Black Men in New York City" Again in 2011 whites were twice as likely to be found with a weapon than blacks. It goes on and on. We have not learned from history. Police continue to batter minority neighborhoods. NYPD Stop And Frisks: 15 Shocking Facts About A Controversial Program And now today to add insult to injury the Charlotte, NC Chief of Police admits there is no definitive proof on the video to show the victim was pointing a gun but he will not release it, and this with the city ready to burn down around him. What a friggin asshole. Yes...all the black Charlotte police officer who shot the man and the black police chief have is the weapon itself that the man was holding...not a book.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 5:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Butch, we talked about relative crime rates in an earlier thread. What you say is true when you limit your demographics to race, however, not true when you also factor in percentage below poverty level. We have not learned from history. Black communities feel besieged by police. In Brownsville, Brooklyn, NY, nearly 93 out of ever 100 residents were stopped by police in 2009 via a stop and frisk program which has been found to be unconstitutional, but which Trump said just yesterday should be reinstated. "Since 2003, after Mayor Bloomberg took office, NYPD stop and frisks have increased 600 percent. In 2011, a record 684, 330 stops were conducted by New York City police officers. In the first three months of 2012, the NYPD stopped and frisked people 203,500 times. In the same three months last year, the NYPD stopped people 183,326 times. " Blacks and Latinos were disproportionally stopped and searched. Nine out of ten of those stopped in 2011 were not arrested nor given a summons. "More Young Black Men Were Stopped By The NYPD In 2011 Than There Are Young Black Men in New York City" Again in 2011 whites were twice as likely to be found with a weapon than blacks. It goes on and on. We have not learned from history. Police continue to batter minority neighborhoods. NYPD Stop And Frisks: 15 Shocking Facts About A Controversial Program And now today to add insult to injury the Charlotte, NC Chief of Police admits there is no definitive proof on the video to show the victim was pointing a gun but he will not release it, and this with the city ready to burn down around him. What a friggin asshole. Yes...all the black Charlotte police officer who shot the man and the black police chief have is the weapon itself that the man was holding...not a book. He was holding a gun. The police told him repeatedly to drop it. He wouldn't and the police shot him. Now the rioting is justified because he may not have been pointing the gun at any particular officer. If he had been white we would have never heard of it.

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 8:39:13 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD He was holding a gun. I am pretty sure the 2nd ammendment says that it is not against the law to hold a gun. The police told him repeatedly to drop it. Why should he? What law was he breaking?

kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 9:05:52 PM)
I have no problem with much of your post...except you keep forgetting who is committing the crime in those areas and that is the reason for closer scrutiny. I agree with you that crime and poverty go hand in hand...and this is NOT the problem of the police... it is a social issue that does need to be addressed... Remember there are more poor whites than blacks... but not in proportion to their populations so special attention needs to be centered in poor black neighborhoods. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 9:20:38 PM)
quote: Yes...all the black Charlotte police officer who shot the man and the black police chief have is the weapon itself that the man was holding...not a book. You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE. If he had a gun is he subject to the death penalty by cop? The problem of book vs. gun is a problem of public trust. The problem of withholding the video tape is a is a problem of public trust. The mayor said the video was "ambiguous" regarding what he was holding in his hand. AMBIGUOUS. That is a problem of public trust. You just don't get it. We are all biased in one way or another. Your bias prevents you from understanding that many black people no longer trust the police. I think it is safe to say that both white and black people have a growing distrust of our governing institutions. That's why showing the video to the public is so important. That's why Tulsa is quiet tonight while Charlotte is not. One other thing. It was reported tonight that a few of the cops at the scene of the murder (my bias) had their body cams turned off. What is the point of body cams then? Again, the police contribute to the distrust.

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