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kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 10:00:51 PM)
quote: You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE I don't know about the rest.... but even in an open carry state you must put down a gun when ordered by a police officer. If the news report I saw was correct he was told multiple times to put it down...and witnesses on the scene corroborated this. Butch

DaddySatyr -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 10:55:14 PM)
I'm a little curious. While I know that BLM is founded on the false narrative of "Hands up. Don't shoot", this thread was started about Colin Kaepernak and his piss-ant, cry-baby semi-protest. How did we get here? Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 11:00:53 PM)
perhaps because a black man was shot with his hands up a few days ago, and another questionable shooting in charlotte....neither men was on a wanted list, nor were the perps the cops were looking for. You may think its a false narrative, but thinking people know otherwise. CK isnt going away and neither is black people dying...sad

stef -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 11:30:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr How did we get here? Some piss-ant, cry-baby, butthurt old white fart got upset because a black man dared protest in a way that offended his delicate privileged sensibilities.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 11:40:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE I don't know about the rest.... but even in an open carry state you must put down a gun when ordered by a police officer. If the news report I saw was correct he was told multiple times to put it down...and witnesses on the scene corroborated this. Butch Absolutly correct, Those saying otherwise are just grasping at straws to make the cops wrong.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/22/2016 11:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Yes...all the black Charlotte police officer who shot the man and the black police chief have is the weapon itself that the man was holding...not a book. You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE. If he had a gun is he subject to the death penalty by cop? The problem of book vs. gun is a problem of public trust. The problem of withholding the video tape is a is a problem of public trust. The mayor said the video was "ambiguous" regarding what he was holding in his hand. AMBIGUOUS. That is a problem of public trust. You just don't get it. We are all biased in one way or another. Your bias prevents you from understanding that many black people no longer trust the police. I think it is safe to say that both white and black people have a growing distrust of our governing institutions. That's why showing the video to the public is so important. That's why Tulsa is quiet tonight while Charlotte is not. One other thing. It was reported tonight that a few of the cops at the scene of the murder (my bias) had their body cams turned off. What is the point of body cams then? Again, the police contribute to the distrust. The mayor said it was a small gun, as if that had any bearing on him refusing to drop it. Alabama is an open carry state, but if a cop tells you to drop your firearm you better do it. He didn't get shot for having a gun, he was killed because he presented a threat to the cops.

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 5:23:56 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Alabama is an open carry state, but if a cop tells you to drop your firearm you better do it. What law are you quoting???the law of superior firepower? He didn't get shot for having a gun, he was killed because he presented a threat to the cops. Your racism is showing again. Why does a black man with a gun ipso facto present a danger to a gutless racist cop?

thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 5:41:31 AM)
ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I'm a little curious. You are not curious you are butthurt because a black man has brought attrention to racist cops murdering black people. While I know that BLM is founded on the false narrative The false narrative is your belief that racist cops have a right to murder black people just like your false narrative that your son had the right to murder non christians. The non christians mailed that punk home in a rubber bag... too bad sooo sad...if you had not sent him to do what you lack the guts to do it is now someone elses fault. grow a pair and own your own idiotic shit of "Hands up. Don't shoot", this thread was started about Colin Kaepernak and his piss-ant, cry-baby semi-protest. The constitution applies to all of us not just white punkassmotherfuckers How did we get here? For those punkassmotherfuckers who cannot follow a simple logic chain let me take you by the hand and lead you through the manny steps. 1.The football player was protesting racist cops murdering black people... I realize that was a long and tortuous convoluted chain of event for your feeble racist mind to follow so I hope I have been of help in explaining the difficult process this discussion has taken to get from your idiotic premise to this stage of the discussion. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 12:53:03 PM)
quote: Useless fucks vote in similarly useless fucks. The left are a parade of useful idiots just paving the way for an infestation of Islamic hatred and an economic takeover by the Chinese military. The classical left is a minority in our elections. The majority of state governors and state legislators are Republicans. The majority of votes in presidential elections have gravitated to candidates who are centrists. The "Left" hasn't been much of a factor since the 1930s. Their only usefulness now is for people who wish to drag them out to use as right wing nut boogeymen. quote: And you're wrong - America became a superpower because WWII meant stoking the fires of extreme nationalism. By whipping the populace into a patriotic fervour, the nation became an industrial powerhouse. Leftist idiots stoking white guilt are going to do the exact opposite while corporations export jobs to cheaper countries. You really should go back and check your history. Prior to December 7, 1941 FDR was facing war resistance from the right, from conservative isolationists and "America First" proponents. Corporations exporting jobs to cheaper countries has nothing to do with Leftists and everything to do with free market neoliberalism economics. I agree that the shrinkage of our manufacturing base would be a deep concern if the next war were fought with the technology of the last, but it may not be your daddy's classical war. quote: The result will be a nation of fucking pussies who don't understand why they can't get a job and spend the vast majority of time whining about safe spaces. That nation will be comprehensively eaten alive and out-competed by China, India and every other 3rd world shit-hole where people don't have the luxury of engaging in existentialist angst. "People whining about safe places" is a false characterization of the 330 million population in this nation. And those few have nothing to do with our being undone by China and India, etc.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 12:57:50 PM)
quote: There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that in many aspects, America has lost its way. It's become an increasingly secular society devoted to the pursuit of the almighty dollar at any cost. Remember, the entire foundation of the Republic - it's entire ethos - is to protect the minority from the majority. That is the quintessential difference between a democracy and a republic and America is currently failing as a republic. Exactly! Couldn't have been said better. Kudos.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:12:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE I don't know about the rest.... but even in an open carry state you must put down a gun when ordered by a police officer. If the news report I saw was correct he was told multiple times to put it down...and witnesses on the scene corroborated this. Butch We don't know what the police said, do we? Hence, the need for the video.

kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:14:57 PM)
The family saw the video... they admitted the police audio was as stated... but they said they could not see a gun. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:21:26 PM)
quote: The mayor said it was a small gun, as if that had any bearing on him refusing to drop it. That's the problem, doncha see? The mayor said and the police chief said, so the mayor and the police chief get to characterize what happened to the benefit of the shooter but they refuse to release the tape. The mayor and the chief have already prejudiced the investigation, and as one commentator remarked, tampered with the jury pool. They should not have it both ways. They should not be able to give their opinions and deny the community the same right to form its own opinions. The problem here is one of abuse of office and authority. It is, as I said above, an abuse of public trust. Why should the community believe the mayor and the chief?

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:21:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: You are going to have to do better than that. North Carolina is an OPEN CARRY STATE I don't know about the rest.... but even in an open carry state you must put down a gun when ordered by a police officer. If the news report I saw was correct he was told multiple times to put it down...and witnesses on the scene corroborated this. Butch We don't know what the police said, do we? Hence, the need for the video. Because we have to assume those evil cops will lie. How about waiting for all the evidence to come in. The video will be released, just not when you want it. The cheif has seen it a says there was a gun. The mayor (who sure doesn't seem like a cop lacky) says it was a small gun, isn't that enough for you to wait for a proper investigation. Or do you want the cop to be convicted, punished , and then, oh yes, then tried? If it was reversed would you want things like this revealed on the black civilian before all the facts were in? They are showing the tapes to the families, and their lawyers, can you at least wait to see what they have to say? You do know that there are witnesses besides the police who verify their story, or is anyone who supports the cops version have to be a liar too?

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:32:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The family saw the video... they admitted the police audio was as stated... but they said they could not see a gun. Butch I don't think so. source

Lucylastic -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:34:55 PM)
NBC News has posted video of the deadly encounter involving police and Keith Scott in Charlotte. To see the video, click here. (WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO) In the new video, Scott's body can be seen on the ground, where officers appear to try to attend to him, but his actual shooting isn't shown. The video was recorded by Scott's wife. Officers tell Scott to drop a gun, but it's unclear from the footage whether he has a weapon. Police have said he was armed, but witnesses say he held only a book. In the video, Rakeyia Scott tells officers her husband doesn't have a gun, has a traumatic brain injury and won't hurt them. She says, "Keith, don't let them break the windows" as she urges him to exit his car. She further tells him, "don't do it," but it's not clear exactly what she means. After the shooting, she tells officers "I'm not coming near you. I'm going to record though." Scott's body is face down, and it's unclear whether the officers are trying to help him or check for a weapon. She states the address and says: "These are the police officers that shot my husband." Lawyer: Video doesn't prove shooting justified An attorney for the Scot's family says newly released video recorded by the victim's wife does not prove whether the shooting was justified. Instead, Justin Bamberg tells The New York Times, the video shows "another vantage point" of the incident, in which 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot. Bamberg says he hopes Charlotte police release their own videos of the shooting. They've so far refused to do so. Police Chief Kerr Putney says there's at least one video from a body camera and one from a dashboard camera. Chief: At least 1 body camera video of shooting During a Friday morning news conference Charlotte's police chief said there is at least one video from a body camera and one other video from a dashboard camera that captured the deadly shooting of Scott. But Chief Kerr Putney continued Friday to refuse to release the video, which could resolve wildly different accounts of the shooting Scott. Police have said Scott refused repeated commands to drop a gun; residents say he was unarmed. An attorney for his family, who viewed the video Thursday, says it's not clear from the video if he's holding anything, including a gun. Putney said during a news conference Friday that he cannot release more information about the shooting because his department is not leading the investigation, which is being conducted by the State Bureau of Investigation. Mayor: 'Question is on timing' of video release: Charlotte's mayor says she does believe video of the police shooting of Keith Scott should be released publicly, but she says it's a matter of when. Mayor Jennifer Roberts said during a news conference Friday that "I do believe the video should be released. The question is on the timing." Police Chief Kerr Putney echoed her remarks, saying the video's release is "a matter of when, it's a matter of sequence." Chief: Suspect arrested in protester's shooting: Police say they have arrested a suspect in the deadly shooting of a protester during demonstrations in Charlotte over the shooting death of Keith Scott by an officer. Charlotte Police Chief Kerr Putney said during a news conference that the suspect was arrested Friday morning. He provided few other details about the arrest or the suspect but said that video led investigators to the shooter. Rayquan Borum, 21, was charged with murder in the shooting death of Justin Carr. He arrested Friday morning. The protester was shot Wednesday night during a violent night of protests in Charlotte. Officials have since implemented a curfew that runs from midnight-6 a.m. They also have called in state troopers and the National Guard in an effort to maintain order. After two nights of unrest, Putney says Thursday night's protests were relatively peaceful. http://www.wyff4.com/news/chief-suspect-arrested-in-protesters-shooting/41794886

kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 1:39:29 PM)
Vince can you see where releasing evidence before a trial can make it hard for a defendant to get a fair trial. And how fun do you think it will be for the family and friends to have their son's murder plastered over the internet? Remember the shit the police got into in Ferguson when they released the video of the boy robbing the QT? There was an uproar in the community over the release even though the chief was answering to the demands to show the boy was stopped, and ultimately shot, because of the robbery not for walking in the street. They were right to be outraged... it should not have been released at least until the trial or investigation is over ...same with this video. If it is determined an officer needs to be prosecuted then the video will be used at trial... not in the public media. If there will be no trial after the investigation is complete then I think only with the permission of the family should the video be released to the public. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 2:24:42 PM)
A direct link to the video

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 2:26:32 PM)
Butch, the family has called for release of the police video. See above for the wife's video.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/23/2016 2:45:01 PM)
Re Charlotte: People have to ask themselves which is more important; that we get to see what we want to see right now, or that there be better chance for justice being done at trial? Without innumerable appeals based upon biased jury. In any somewhat normal circumstance most people would argue for the latter. But this is not a normal circumstance. If there hadn't been such a conspicuous increase of events like this one in the past three years or so, followed by diversion, evasion, and opacity by the local officials, we might not be having to address the question. We would advocate whatever would likely produce justice. But obviously justice has not been served too oftentimes regarding these still increasing events. If that were the case then police departments around the country, as consequence, would have instituted better policies by now resulting in fewer, not more, of these events. For those saying it would bias a jury; there are quite many other events just like this one in recent times (and likely a few more between now and trial date), and plenty of videos of those events. The evasion and opacity and lack of justice occurring in many of these events have already engendered predisposed thinking all over the country. To say that public access to this specific police video would 'bias the jury' is disingenuous, at least. Dishonest and intentional disavowal of reality is more like it. I personally think that the Charlotte police, the mayor, and the State Bureau of Investigation will handle the job much better than in most of the instances heretofore. But too bad it doesn't matter, because the numerous cases of injustice to this point have quite many people not trusting any of the officials or investigators. Then again, if they'd had better LE policies and training in place to begin with, they wouldn't be having to deal with such 'public opinion unfairness' to begin with, would they? BTW, the NC Attorney General is also advocating release of the police video. It's obvious he understands that (especially) at this time public trust, or lack thereof, across the state and across the country, is quite a bit more important than potential for jury bias in one trial.

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