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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 5:48:07 PM   
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http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/felon-in-possession-of-a-weapon-laws.html
for the retards.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0617.htm
for the imbecilic retards.

I deal in guns, I can recite the law, you deal in jacking your dick, you can recite retarded useless shit. magna charta, alloidal. foef, thermite. Thats the end of your asswipe, you are a one trick pony.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 5:49:14 PM   
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duh, get a clue already, quoting the statute is pasting the text, you cited the number and made up a shit definition that is not true and is not in there. grow a pair ffs quote it.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 5:50:55 PM   
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quote:

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http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/felon-in-possession-of-a-weapon-laws.html
for the retards.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0617.htm
for the imbecilic retards.



steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerike 1 and 2, the word arms is not used in either.

waiting

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 5:52:05 PM   
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oh yeh we know all about your citing the law.

waiting

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 5:54:51 PM   
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we are waiting for you to cite some law, something you have never done, not ever.
We are waiting for you to say something that is not fucking hysterically retarded, you never have, not ever.


Waiting...waitng

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 6:02:17 PM   
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duh, get a clue already, quoting the statute is pasting the text, you cited the number and made up a shit definition that is not true and is not in there. grow a pair ffs quote it.


Get fucking lost you goddamn retard.


its no problemo.

Unless you can say all 'arms' are guns
or you can say all 'arms' are firearms

which of course mr gun dealer we both know is not the case then we cannot say firearms = 'arms' and we cannot say guns = 'arms' and carries the same meaning.

The organic law says ARMS, just plain ARMS that is constitutionally acknowledged. Not GUNS not FIREARMS. The courts determine the status of a filing by the content of the pleading. You use any other word than is in the constitution you are 14th so bend over and take it with a smile.

aw dont get all butt hurt now. The warning signs were there and you just chose to ignore them.



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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 6:12:00 PM   
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unless you can say all guns are arms you mean.

a convicted felcon may possess those things that are not legally considered 'arms'

bow and arrow.
black powder
curios and relics.
unless it is forbidden by the state.

In fact a state might restore a convicted felons rights, and he can own guns in that state, unless the ATF decides to go get him (and they have done it) I am unaware of any convicted felon that the fed has allowed to own guns, or domestic abuser, by federal restoration.

It might have happened, but I think that would be news and I would be aware of it.

So, go back to chewing on your sack, dumbass.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 7:01:20 PM   
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unless you can say all guns are arms you mean.

a convicted felcon may possess those things that are not legally considered 'arms'

bow and arrow.
black powder
curios and relics.
unless it is forbidden by the state.

In fact a state might restore a convicted felons rights, and he can own guns in that state, unless the ATF decides to go get him (and they have done it) I am unaware of any convicted felon that the fed has allowed to own guns, or domestic abuser, by federal restoration.

It might have happened, but I think that would be news and I would be aware of it.

So, go back to chewing on your sack, dumbass.



still gnawing at your nutsack because you cant find not so much as one law that uses the word arms eh.... I said what I meant.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 7:45:45 PM   
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Dear God this has become stupid

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 8:54:15 PM   
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believe me I know, which is why you hear me ranting about the courts all the time :)

they have completely destroyed the laws with shit like that.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 8:58:23 PM   
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what are arms? do you suppose they are talking about the things that allow you to shove your fingers up your ass, where they constantly reside, fuckwad?

How does he get them past his head?

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 9:27:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I don't have much on this, but I caught just a few minutes of the congressional hearings, yesterday. Something really stuck in my craw:

Two of the witnesses who bothered to show up answered all questions put to them with:

"On advise of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer and assert my 5th Amendment, Constitutional privilege ."

Since when did anything in the Bill of Rights become a "privilege"? The BoR is a partial enumeration of our ... audience, say it with me: ... RIGHTS!

Jesus H. Christ on a Pogo stick! It's called the fucking Bill of RIGHTS.

Anyway, it occurs to me, after a recent post where I discussed the power of media to influence societal behavior: could this be an attempt to weaken our rights (which are God-given or, at least inherent to human beings, according to the U.N.) and relegate them to the realm of privileges (bestowed upon us by the largesse of the ruling class)?



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getting back to sanity side of things, dood I can do this shit all day! Court corruption is one of my all time fav subjects. Here is how they used the courts to steal the land and sovereign jurisdiction from the indians.



the U.S. Supreme Court in Johnson v. McIntosh, 21 U.S. (8 Wheat.) 543, 5 L. Ed. 681 (1823). Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Marshall described the effects of European incursion on native tribes, writing that although the Indians were " admitted to be the rightful occupants of the soil … their rights to complete sovereignty, as independent nations, were necessarily diminished, and their power to dispose of the soil, at their own will, to whomsoever they pleased, was denied by the original fundamental principle, that discovery gave exclusive title to those who made it."

The European nations that had "discovered" North America, Marshall ruled, had "the sole right of acquiring the soil from the natives."


that is saying that I can walk on your fucking property and discover your land and claim I have ultimate juridiction to regulate it even though you are the rightful occupant!

Sovereigns own 'soil', and hold a title to the soil, known as allodial title. nutsuckers own land and their title are feudal, 'in fee simple'



and lets not forget this john fucking Marshal winner!


Johnson v. M'Intosh (1823), holding that private citizens could not purchase lands from Native Americans.

and another chunk of indian rights flushed down the toilet

The Supreme Court affirmed that the US Government "has the right and authority, instead of controlling them by treaties, to govern them by acts of Congress, they being within the geographical limit of the United States...

Constant methodical unlawful encoachment, now the indians (like us) no longer need to agree with the asshelmets up on the hill, the asshelmets on the hill only need draft a new act.

whadda ya say we do the same with russia and lets see how far that shit flies





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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 10:13:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SunDominant

Rights are inherent to the individual and privileges are given by an outside authority. Under U.S. Constitutional law, certain rights are recognized as needing particular protections; the Constitution, nor any government, "grants" rights. The Constitution is also very specific in pointing out that the rights it enumerates are not all rights. Others do exist. A parallel I often have heard is that traveling from one area to another unmolested is a right, however going it in an automobile under a state license is a privilege.

The most frequent disagreement I have is in the nature of those unenumerated rights, such as the supposed "right" to health care. Rights can be exercised by an individual without forcing the participation of others, so free doctor visits are not a right. Should a government decide via law to provide health care subsidized by taxation, that is a privilege. [agreed]

How we use words to shape our culture is extremely important. The media, governments, businesses, and every individual on the planet, choose words whose connotations support their agenda.


the problem is that like slang words the word right is used to describe any 'claim' which is an improper descriptor, since as you correctly point out there is a difference between rights and privileges.

for travel v driving that is not the correct distinction.
travel is a right and also the use of whatever locomotion you so desire.

The constitution was created to perfect a means of commerce and tax collection and is essentiall commercial in nature, to regulate between states and coins and all that bla bla bla...

that said driving like all regulated 'occupations' required a license because you would be using the public road system for business.

Going to the store to pick up a 6er is not an occupation it is travel therefore does not require a license.

Of course like everything else, like the indians, they will fuck you and force everyone to get a license in violation of your right to travel unemcumbered using the common way. There are other ways to get money for the highways that do not violate your rights, but instead they violate your rights.

"How we use words to shape our culture is extremely important."

Absolutely correct! But good luck telling that to the 1 digit fits all club LOL

good post btw


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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 10:54:17 PM   
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unless you can say all guns are arms you mean.

a convicted felcon may possess those things that are not legally considered 'arms'

bow and arrow.
black powder
curios and relics.
unless it is forbidden by the state.

In fact a state might restore a convicted felons rights, and he can own guns in that state, unless the ATF decides to go get him (and they have done it) I am unaware of any convicted felon that the fed has allowed to own guns, or domestic abuser, by federal restoration.

It might have happened, but I think that would be news and I would be aware of it.

So, go back to chewing on your sack, dumbass.



still gnawing at your nutsack because you cant find not so much as one law that uses the word arms eh.... I said what I meant.

gobble up your own ass, you are armless and brainless. But you are full of shit. Cant find one law that says we are beholden to the queen of england, that we are feofs or alloidal serfs to the crown?

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/15/2016 11:02:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

unless you can say all guns are arms you mean.

a convicted felcon may possess those things that are not legally considered 'arms'

bow and arrow.
black powder
curios and relics.
unless it is forbidden by the state.

In fact a state might restore a convicted felons rights, and he can own guns in that state, unless the ATF decides to go get him (and they have done it) I am unaware of any convicted felon that the fed has allowed to own guns, or domestic abuser, by federal restoration.

It might have happened, but I think that would be news and I would be aware of it.

So, go back to chewing on your sack, dumbass.



still gnawing at your nutsack because you cant find not so much as one law that uses the word arms eh.... I said what I meant.

gobble up your own ass, you are armless and brainless. But you are full of shit. Cant find one law that says we are beholden to the queen of england, that we are feofs or alloidal serfs to the crown?



dood you cant even get the most simple shit correct even when I post all the data for you much less something as complex as how that all fits together.

I am still lauging my ass off that you have not yet figgered out why you cant find anything saying felons cant bear 'arms' the fundamental princples behind it are law 101, well law 001.

take your meds, share some with stef and give it a rest.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/16/2016 3:30:36 AM   
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they don't always make laws for things you can do Einstein. your point is equivalent to saying "show me a law that says I have a right to breathe or eat."

although little doubt you'll find some personal and ridiculous esoteric distinction on which to hang your hat so you can continue to practice your malevolent pseudo-superiority, here you go vile critter parts:

quote:

Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." As far back as the circuit court ruling in Corfield v. Coryell, 6 Fed. Cas. 546 (1823), the Supreme Court recognized freedom of movement as a fundamental Constitutional right. In Paul v. Virginia, 75 U.S. 168 (1869), the Court defined freedom of movement as "right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them."[1] However, the Supreme Court did not invest the federal government with the authority to protect freedom of movement. Under the "privileges and immunities" clause, this authority was given to the states, a position the Court held consistently through the years in cases such as Ward v. Maryland, 79 U.S. 418 (1871), the Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873) and United States v. Harris, 106 U.S. 629 (1883).[2][3]...

As early as the Articles of Confederation the Congress recognized freedom of movement (Article 4), though the right was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration.[4]...

A strong right to freedom of movement may yet have even farther-reaching implications. The Supreme Court has acknowledged that freedom of movement is closely related to freedom of association and to freedom of expression...

For much of American history, the right to travel included the right to travel by the vehicle of one's choice, and courts occasionally struck down regional regulations that required licenses or government permission to travel on public roadways. With the advent of the automobile, however, courts began upholding laws and regulations requiring licenses to operate vehicles on roadways. Constitutional scholar Roger Roots has referred to the forgotten right to travel without license as "the orphaned right."[19]

The right to travel is a part of the 'liberty' of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment. If that "liberty" is to be regulated, it must be pursuant to the law-making functions of the Congress. . . . . Freedom of movement across frontiers in either direction, and inside frontiers as well, was a part of our heritage. Travel abroad, like travel within the country, . . . may be as close to the heart of the individual as the choice of what he eats, or wears, or reads. Freedom of movement is basic in our scheme of values.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

quote:

The Right To Travel

As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.


http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#travel

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/16/2016 4:18:12 AM   
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"alloidal serfs to the crown? "

That statement proves you have no idea what that word means at all.

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/16/2016 4:37:59 AM   
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find me one law that says travel is a right.

Well :

"As early as the Articles of Confederation the Congress recognized freedom of movement (Article 4), though the right was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration.[4]"

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

Like the income tax there is no law but it is presumed. It is another bunch of bullshit you live under and believe. You go right ahead and run that pawn shop and you know what ? You will get robbed by your own customers.

Have fun. They might take a torch to your balls to get you to open the safe. I would pay good money for a video of that.

T^T

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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/16/2016 5:06:36 AM   
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find me one law that says travel is a right.

Well :

"As early as the Articles of Confederation the Congress recognized freedom of movement (Article 4), though the right was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration.[4]"

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

Like the income tax there is no law but it is presumed. It is another bunch of bullshit you live under and believe. You go right ahead and run that pawn shop and you know what ? You will get robbed by your own customers.

Have fun. They might take a torch to your balls to get you to open the safe. I would pay good money for a video of that.

T^T

And flushed that motherfucker. There is income tax law, (there is no talk of any such a thing in the Constitutional Congress. You on that score, having no balls, will never fear torching.



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RE: Purposeful Confusion? - 9/16/2016 5:07:48 AM   
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"alloidal serfs to the crown? "

That statement proves you have no idea what that word means at all.

T^T

which wrod?

alloidal? serfs? to? the? crown? I know what they all mean, it proves you are a dumbass though.

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