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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/21/2016 7:40:01 AM   
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we are still waiting on the 1.5 million saves a year.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 10:42:59 AM   
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I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 10:43:46 AM   
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I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.

All one and a half million of them?
You must get around a bit...

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 10:56:42 AM   
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I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.

I have him on hide so I am not bothered with his insanity.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 1:04:42 PM   
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I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.

LOL. cockgargling nutsuckers saying that someone isnt worth responding to means as usual, shit in their pants, felch in their mouths, and dick in their hands, absolutely no facts, and certainly no credible citations.

Only nutsuckers have seen it.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 1:18:43 PM   
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Entertainment brought to you live.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 1:49:01 PM   
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Im sorry, but the number isnt "thousands" in a year, sorry but facts so far this year has 729 dead or injured kids since Jan 1st, now we are only in september,
Bama must be thinking of the 7300 veterans who commit suicide a year
Kleck is bollocks, it has been hovering between 65 to 80,000 for a few years now...but again.he doesnt read my posts with the facts....so let him stumble around like the pratt he is.
He is fooling no one.

Those reports include gang bangers under 25. Not what is called a child anywhere else. By doing that they misrepresent what people all believe and perpetuate silly falsehood.




SO nanji
Id like to see your proof that the link I shared was using 27 yr old gang bangers in their numbers....I did ask for proof back on page 6, I believe it was post 111

I will even give you the link to the full website, and you can look for yourself, http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Here is the front page ...for links to all the figures, with links to the website that reported it, and to the incident itself.
And while it isnt FBI or CDC or final....all the links point to the crimes in the news around the country. But it is this years numbers.




Oh and while Im here There is a new study out...
http://www.vpc.org/press/more-than-1600-women-murdered-by-men-in-one-year-new-study-finds-2/

More than 1,600 Women Murdered by Men in One Year, New Study Finds
For Release: Tuesday, September 20, 2016

Additional Contact: Julia Wyman
States United to Prevent Gun Violence
[email protected]
401-644-9040

Study ranks the states on the rate of women murdered by men in advance of Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October

Washington, DC — More than 1,600 women were murdered by men in 2014 and the most common weapon used was a gun, according to the new Violence Policy Center (VPC) study When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2014 Homicide Data.

This annual VPC report is being released in advance of Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October. The study uses 2014 data, the most recent year for which information is available.

The study also ranks the states on the rate of women murdered by men. In 2014, Alaska had the highest rate, followed by Louisiana, Nevada, Oklahoma, and South Carolina. (A list of the 10 states with the highest rates of women murdered by men follows below.)

The study covers homicides involving one female murder victim and one male offender, and uses data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Supplementary Homicide Report.

Nationwide, 1,613 females were murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents in 2014, at a rate of 1.08 per 100,000. The study found that nationwide, 93 percent of women killed by men were murdered by someone they knew. Of the victims who knew their offenders, 63 percent were wives or other intimate acquaintances of their killers. Thirteen times as many females were murdered by a male they knew than were killed by male strangers.
<snip> see more at the link
“Women are almost always killed by someone they know, and the majority are victims of domestic homicide. Local, state, and national policymakers must make preventing domestic violence a priority,” states VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand. “Guns in the hands of abusers can escalate domestic violence to homicide in the blink of an eye. Removing guns from a domestic violence situation is crucial.”

Julia Wyman, executive director of States United to Prevent Gun Violence, states, “The facts speak for themselves, the corporate gun lobby promotes firearms as a means to personal safety. The VPC research exposes the truth that guns in a domestic abuse household are the means of abuse, not safety.”


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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 4:43:24 PM   
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Lucy, do you know how to keep a passive aggressive, mindless sock in suspense?

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 6:00:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.

LOL. cockgargling nutsuckers saying that someone isnt worth responding to means as usual, shit in their pants, felch in their mouths, and dick in their hands, absolutely no facts, and certainly no credible citations.

Only nutsuckers have seen it.


"How Often Are Firearms Used in Self-Defense?"

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There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.

Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms. Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.


http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

lest some comrade criticize the author...

quote:

Gary Kleck is a Professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University (see overview). His research centers on violence and crime control with special focus on gun control and crime deterrence. Dr. Kleck is the author of Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America (Aldine de Gruyter, 1991), and Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Aldine de Gruyter, 1997). He is also a contributor to the major sociology journals, and in 1993 Dr. Kleck was the winner of the Michael J. Hindelang Award of the American Society of Criminology, for the book which made "the most outstanding contribution to criminology" in the preceding three years (for Point Blank).

Gary Kleck's voluntary disclosure statement that appears in Targeting Guns:

The author is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International USA, Independent Action, Democrats 2000, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations He is a lifelong registered Democrat, as well as a contributor to liberal Democratic candidates. He is not now, nor has he ever been, a member of, or contributor to, the National Rifle Association, Handgun Control, Inc. nor any other advocacy organization, nor has he received funding for research from any such organization.

Marvin Wolfgang, who was one of the most prominent criminologists, commented on Kleck's research concerning defensive gun use (see How often are guns used in self-defense?):

I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. I hate guns--ugly, nasty instruments designed to kill people. ...
What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator... I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research. ...

Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence. The National Crime Victim Survey does not directly contravene this latest survey, nor do the Mauser and Hart studies. ...

Nevertheless, the methodological soundness of the current Kleck and Gertz study is clear. I cannot further debate it. ...

The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.
--- Marvin E. Wofgang, "A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 1995, Vol. 86 No. 1.)


while youre fuming and frothing over kleck, maybe you can criticize (you know, as in actually critique it?) the other research that found similar numbers.

http://www.guncite.com/gcwhoGK.html

there you go vile critter parts, numbers and credible citations---at least for any rational human being.

as I have repeatedly said, if you were a student, youd fail. if this were your job, youd be fired.

and that on top of being a malevolent and vulgar embarrassment to human decency.

generally speaking, I agree with bama and nnanji, you ARENT worth responding to. I like to think others will benefit by seeing it...

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 6:25:35 PM   
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Of course I'd be in favor of a thourough training course. But a "permit?" I don't think so, since when do you need a "permit" to exercise a right?
The state of Vermont has had "constitional carry" since it's inception I believe.
If you want to carry a gun in your coat you just carry one. Montana and Alaska too.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 8:41:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I've seen it. That you keep forgetting isn't worth the time to respond to you. I agree with Bama on that.


The dreams of two morons does not constitute a valid citation.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 8:43:23 PM   
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I have him on hide so I am not bothered with his insanity.


That is the mechanism of cowards who are too stupid to validate the childish drivel they post.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 8:54:03 PM   
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First... the estimate of the real professional survey the NCVS was 108,000 not 500,000 or 2.5 million...Now one thing you are not figuring... how many of these DGU's were in defense of home or property? Would you not say the vast majority in 1994... before many of the conceal and carry laws? I have been talking about the possible results of the Missouri conceal and carry and the new Castle laws. I am not talking about defending home and property... but who can obtain guns without a conceal and carry permit and how they will be able to use them... The no need to retreat and deadly force when they feel in danger...ANYWHERE it is legal to carry a gun... is dangerous for all.

If you look at the Bureau of Justice report a little newer...2008 it states only 59,000 DGU or approx 1.3 percent of a total 4,581,000 crimes of violence. HERE table 70...hell calling for help resulted in 14 percent...check the others out in the table.

see the difference?

Butch

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:27:30 PM   
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First... the estimate of the real professional survey the NCVS was 108,000 not 500,000 or 2.5 million...Now one thing you are not figuring... how many of these DGU's were in defense of home or property? Would you not say the vast majority in 1994... before many of the conceal and carry laws? I have been talking about the possible results of the Missouri conceal and carry and the new Castle laws. I am not talking about defending home and property... but who can obtain guns without a conceal and carry permit and how they will be able to use them... the no need to retreat and deadly force when they feel in danger...ANYWHERE it is legal to carry a gun.

If you look at the Bureau of Justice report a little newer...2008 it states only 59,000 DGU or approx 1.3 percent of a total 4,581,000 crimes of violence. HERE table 70...hell calling for help resulted in 14 percent...check the others out in the table.

see the difference?

Butch

Your source is always lower by several magnitudes from the FBI studies. Believe what you want but 59,000 is ridiculous.
And you always leave out where a reasonable person would feel they were in danger, that changes things a lot.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:30:08 PM   
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Your source is always lower by several magnitudes from the FBI studies. Believe what you want but 59,000 is ridiculous.


If the graduate of the university of dumbass could read he would know that is the fbi figure.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:30:48 PM   
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Well you show the FBI link then... I produced the Bureau of Justice... that uses all government data...lets see it....and make it at least 2005 or above.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:32:28 PM   
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Well you show the FBI link then... I produced the Bureau of Justice... that uses all government data...lets see it....and make it at least 2005 or above.

Butch



Been there, done that, you don't dictate to me what I have to do.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:34:55 PM   
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Been there, done that, you don't dictate to me what I have to do.


The blowhard has spoken
The blowhard believes it
That settles it.
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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:44:38 PM   
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Your source is always lower by several magnitudes from the FBI studies. Believe what you want but 59,000 is ridiculous.
And you always leave out where a reasonable person would feel they were in danger, that changes things a lot.


Then let me dictate this.... Read the damn bill 656 before you say something wrong again.

This is what it says..... This act provides that a person does not have a duty to retreat from any place such person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity has a right to be.


Do you see REASONABLE?

Damn you never get things right so how can I believe you about a link you cannot or will not produce.

Butch


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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/22/2016 9:54:15 PM   
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One more thing to dictate... don't quote me without being able to produce a link...I will not put up with that.

Butch

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