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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/19/2016 7:57:48 PM

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The average figure for death by gun in America is 40 000pa or 4000 000 per decade......fuk me

No it is much lower, and when you subtract suicides (and I have posted the fact that lots of countries with tight gun control have much higher suicide rates) the number of murders and accidents is about 9,000 a year, (still not great, but better than you protray it and half of what that number was 20 years ago). If you want to criticize do so but be honest.

I think his 40k figure is total incedences of lethal and non-lethal. Deaths are under 10,000 if I correctly recall the BoJ report I read recently.

The report was downloaded onto my tablet. I may go back and double check to be sure I'm remembering the statistics correctly.

Once you take out the suicides you are correct.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/19/2016 8:10:18 PM

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Idaho, where I live, has been an open carry state as far back as I can remember. But did every Tom, Dick, and Dirty Harry carry a firearm with them every day and everywhere they went? No. In the metropolitan areas it was and is rare to see anyone carrying a firearm openly. It is more common in the areas with a lot of ranchers due to the need to eliminate predators like wolves, bears, and cougar to keep them from decimating their herds and flocks, or sometimes needing to dispatch an injured or sick cow or sheep.

As to concealed carry . . .I own, and know quite a number of people who own a CCP. NONE of the people I know that have a CCP routinely carry a concealed firearm. I have only carried a concealed weapon once since I have had my CCP, but it is nice to know that I can if I feel the need. And the same thing can be said of everyone I know that does have a CCP. Idaho recently passed a law similar to Missouri's making it legal for anyone that can legally own a gun to carry it concealed without a license. Most likely, the people that wanted to or had a need to carry a concealed weapon ALREADY had a CCP. I have heard of no rushes on the gun merchants by people hurrying to buy a gun so they can carry it.

And, I believe it was about a year ago that Idaho passed a law making it legal to carry a firearm on college campuses. Now, I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I have not heard of ANY rapes or assaults happening on any college campuses in the state since the law was passed. Nor have I heard of any shootings, whether provoked or accidental on any Idaho college campuses since the law was passed.

I have a ccw and always carry, but that is because my front yard is the most dangerous place I go.
Also I believe carry yes or carry no, but no carry so so.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/19/2016 9:55:52 PM

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first the cost of getting a gun where do you hide it also if some dead beat bitch female fucks some deadbeat male produces more deadbeats

Thank you for your candor. You can break the cycle your parents bred you into you just have to overcome your entitlement attitude. Comming out like you have is the first step.

= sme people should no fuck have sex etc any one can have sex but look at reality guns do not kill people kill

I have used a gun to kill lots of people...I really am pretty good at it.

your music industry encourages violence i am not amazed gun violence in USA

Like these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vm6DzCadTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgvxu8QY01s&list=PLF43CAjPL79Bg1rqXp0UCdaMfg_I-aTGB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZr4XbE4FkY

THIS is a bdsm site but has vanilia doms seeking nutless males having balls just saying is bad breeding

With hard work and dillilgence you can overcome your feelings of inadequacy. No one here will judge you for what you did on brokback moutain. Call it "youtrhful experimention" phase.

we can not openly say what we want but

Maybe not at first...baby steps...you cannot hope to become a professional cocksucker overnight...we are here to help.
For your courage in comming out we have chipped in and bought you some knee pads.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/19/2016 9:58:14 PM

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Do you even realize you never answer to your mistakes... you just post different attacks as if this forgives your false posts.

Unlike you who just runs away.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 7:34:43 AM

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The time comes when further debate is useless and if anyone gives a damn and is following the thread it is best to just let them decide for themselves if there is a point to be made. Calling people stupid and typing in bold letters just turns people off and detracts from your often good contributions.

No matter how right you may be style counts when trying to change minds...and changing minds should be the reason to even comment. If not that then you just take up thread space to be passed over to more interesting comments.

This, especially in answer to you, is one of those times.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 8:03:33 AM

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Actually butch you were proved to be not only factually wrong but also a liar in trying to cover your ignorance.
Truth trumps style in every instance.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 10:59:35 AM

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Im sorry, but the number isnt "thousands" in a year, sorry but facts so far this year has 729 dead or injured kids since Jan 1st, now we are only in september,
Bama must be thinking of the 7300 veterans who commit suicide a year
Kleck is bollocks, it has been hovering between 65 to 80,000 for a few years now...but again.he doesnt read m y posts with the facts....so let him stumble around like the pratt he is.
He is fooling no one.

Those reports include gang bangers under 25. Not what is called a child anywhere else. By doing that they misrepresent what people all believe and perpetuate silly falsehood.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:12:31 AM

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Im sorry, but the number isnt "thousands" in a year, sorry but facts so far this year has 729 dead or injured kids since Jan 1st, now we are only in september,
Bama must be thinking of the 7300 veterans who commit suicide a year
Kleck is bollocks, it has been hovering between 65 to 80,000 for a few years now...but again.he doesnt read m y posts with the facts....so let him stumble around like the pratt he is.
He is fooling no one.

Those reports include gang bangers under 25. Not what is called a child anywhere else. By doing that they misrepresent what people all believe and perpetuate silly falsehood.

The thousands came from KD talking about kids deaths being reported every day in MO alone.
If that many children are killed in MO alone there would have to be thousands nation wide.
The last year with stats showed that at total of 505 people of all ages died in firearms accidents.
The FBI reports that the number of defensive uses of firearms is at least .5 million but more likely 3 times that number, so it doesn't matter what you think of Kelck.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:17:36 AM

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I think the statistic I read from the BUREAU OF defense was something like 80% of firearm deaths are from black males 18-24...which would probably be the gangbangers that Nnanji refers to.

What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:37:15 AM

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I think the statistic I read from the BUREAU OF defense was something like 80% of firearm deaths are from black males 18-24...which would probably be the gangbangers that Nnanji refers to.

What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

Yes indeedy. However, since I lean conservative I refrain from mentioning race. So many of the haters here would take off after that rather than the ideas being discussed. It's implied if you read the statistics.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:42:49 AM

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Oh dear, im sorry but please show your proof that that link contains 27 yr old gangbangers iin the number....

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:43:33 AM

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The FBI reports that the number of defensive uses of firearms is at least .5 million but more likely 3 times that number,

You were a lying sack of shit the first time you said that and are an evern larger lying sack of shit for repeating that lie...the fbi said no such thing.
What they did say is that it happens about 60,000 times a year

[PDF]
Firearm Justifiable Homicides and Non-Fatal Self-Defense Gun Use

www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

Type this into google and read it yourself and stop lying

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:44:50 AM

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I think the statistic I read from the BUREAU OF defense was something like 80% of firearm deaths are from black males 18-24...which would probably be the gangbangers that Nnanji refers to.

What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

Actually I understand that 52% of all murders are committed by blacks.
I believe that 80% of murder by blacks are by that 18-24 year old group.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 11:51:31 AM

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What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

Bamma had his taken from him by a mugger who also took his lunch money.
No I am not making this up he posted it on here not long ago. That very fact would seem to mitigate against most of whaat he posts.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:09:19 PM

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What the fuck is the point of carrying a gun if you're just going to let somebody take it off you?

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:12:01 PM

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I think the statistic I read from the BUREAU OF defense was something like 80% of firearm deaths are from black males 18-24...which would probably be the gangbangers that Nnanji refers to.

What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

Actually I understand that 52% of all murders are committed by blacks.
I believe that 80% of murder by blacks are by that 18-24 year old group.

That makes sense and sounds about right.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:29:00 PM

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What the fuck is the point of carrying a gun if you're just going to let somebody take it off you?

I have him on hide but your answer made me wonder what could have been said that promped that answer so I checked.
This is just one of the many lies he tells about me.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:30:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I think the statistic I read from the BUREAU OF defense was something like 80% of firearm deaths are from black males 18-24...which would probably be the gangbangers that Nnanji refers to.

What is a concern (not that I'm implying the above isn't ) is that most of the guns involved in lethal shootings are stolen.

Actually I understand that 52% of all murders are committed by blacks.
I believe that 80% of murder by blacks are by that 18-24 year old group.

That makes sense and sounds about right.

That age group always committs a high percent of crimes by any group.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:40:37 PM

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What the fuck is the point of carrying a gun if you're just going to let somebody take it off you?

We all got a giggle out of that. The bad ass with a ccw who is always crackin large on "situational awareness" bullshit gets punked for his gun and his lunch money. His story was that the "bad guy" snuk up behind him and got the drop on him.
My suggestion for the future would be tht he only buy a jennings...that way he does not loose much monitarily and the potential grenade will most likely go off in the hand of the "bad guy"

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RE: Alright, I am a gun owner, but even I think this is... - 9/20/2016 12:45:01 PM

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That is true. The young do stupid things.

I had a young man, about 21 years old who I had taken in, fed and given a place to stay when he was homeless. He thanked me by coming back and busting in my back door and stealing from me. I know it was him, because I've taken in a great many young kids over the years and he happened to try and sell my stuff to one of them.

My oldest son, who is overly protective of me and a few of the boys I'd taken in over the years took the young man out to a cornfield and taught him some manners.

Sadly, he didn't learn his lesson. He ended up in prison and was killed. I don't know why he was stabbed in prison, but it saddens me all the same.

I do catch grief for collecting stray kids, and I keep promising myself I will stop. They all just seem to have such depressing stories at such young ages.

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