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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 5:48:33 PM   
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I'm not really big on posts that try to instruct people on human interaction that talk to people like they are children. Personally, I think we ought to let the 'on your kneezzzz, bitch' types alone. It saves the submissive women from having to waste their time on someone who's been 'coached' to have a conversation like a civilized human being.

However, I do applaud your attempt to begin a thread topic. While it is very gender/role specific, (it obviously comes from someone who is a het male who comes from the male D-type perspective) I'm sure it does help some people out there.

When I was single, I wished for a way to filter out the fucking lesbians. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 6:11:57 PM   
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Interesting read. I tend to disagree with the "power" concept, as in the sub has all the power. In all actuality, each person -- while online especially has their own power. I mean its online and people are adults. I do agree that a Man or Woman should not act like anyone's personal Dom before the actual relationship is solidified. However, here's where my beliefs tend to tangent off from many others. I want a man to be who he is and for me dominance is a part of his persona. For me, I don't see being a dominant or dominance as actions, I see it as part of the core of a man. So yes, I want to sense the dominance in him, I want to feel that power in him. This is not "actions" or words, its his demeanor, its his personality, it comes out in how he communicates etc. grins, I also want someone to communicate with me as what they feel is being a dominant. If they chose to say kneel or whatever other perceived dominant phrase, I WANT them to do so -- why? Because it will allow me to cut the BS. I would rather not have people trained to hide that to "get someone to speak with them." If their way of addressing someone they don't know who has the label or self-identification as sub or slave is to tell them to kneel, talk down to them etc, bring it on. It simply means I can easily delete you and not waste my time trying to figure out if dominance is a character you put on and take off or if its part of the building block of their persona.

Do messages get annoying -- sure but you don't even need to open emails to see what someone says. So its really not that big of a deal - - in the end, I don't want people "coached" as to how to approach me as a submissive because the men who are simple dominant men as who they are -- its not what they do.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 6:13:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not really big on posts that try to instruct people on human interaction that talk to people like they are children. Personally, I think we ought to let the 'on your kneezzzz, bitch' types alone. It saves the submissive women from having to waste their time on someone who's been 'coached' to have a conversation like a civilized human being.

However, I do applaud your attempt to begin a thread topic. While it is very gender/role specific, (it obviously comes from someone who is a het male who comes from the male D-type perspective) I'm sure it does help some people out there.

When I was single, I wished for a way to filter out the fucking lesbians. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck.

Because being Dommed isn't always about sex
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 6:19:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not really big on posts that try to instruct people on human interaction that talk to people like they are children. Personally, I think we ought to let the 'on your kneezzzz, bitch' types alone. It saves the submissive women from having to waste their time on someone who's been 'coached' to have a conversation like a civilized human being.

However, I do applaud your attempt to begin a thread topic. While it is very gender/role specific, (it obviously comes from someone who is a het male who comes from the male D-type perspective) I'm sure it does help some people out there.

When I was single, I wished for a way to filter out the fucking lesbians. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck.

Because being Dommed isn't always about sex
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?

Actually, it's because they're fake profiles. They're set up by scammers because so many men have the "Turn a Lesbian" fantasy and they hope she'll bring her lesbian friends. (Ever notice how many incredibly hot lesbians this site has?)

We used to catch the same IP address with dozens of these accounts - same with Femme Dommes and Unicorns.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 6:31:47 PM   
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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 6:51:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not really big on posts that try to instruct people on human interaction that talk to people like they are children. Personally, I think we ought to let the 'on your kneezzzz, bitch' types alone. It saves the submissive women from having to waste their time on someone who's been 'coached' to have a conversation like a civilized human being.

However, I do applaud your attempt to begin a thread topic. While it is very gender/role specific, (it obviously comes from someone who is a het male who comes from the male D-type perspective) I'm sure it does help some people out there.

When I was single, I wished for a way to filter out the fucking lesbians. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck.

Because being Dommed isn't always about sex
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?

Actually, it's because they're fake profiles. They're set up by scammers because so many men have the "Turn a Lesbian" fantasy and they hope she'll bring her lesbian friends. (Ever notice how many incredibly hot lesbians this site has?)

We used to catch the same IP address with dozens of these accounts - same with Femme Dommes and Unicorns.

Online sure, don't doubt that. But I know lesbians and asexual women who have Doms or enjoy being topped by men and no sex is involved

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 7:03:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not really big on posts that try to instruct people on human interaction that talk to people like they are children. Personally, I think we ought to let the 'on your kneezzzz, bitch' types alone. It saves the submissive women from having to waste their time on someone who's been 'coached' to have a conversation like a civilized human being.

However, I do applaud your attempt to begin a thread topic. While it is very gender/role specific, (it obviously comes from someone who is a het male who comes from the male D-type perspective) I'm sure it does help some people out there.

When I was single, I wished for a way to filter out the fucking lesbians. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck.

Because being Dommed isn't always about sex
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?

Actually, it's because they're fake profiles. They're set up by scammers because so many men have the "Turn a Lesbian" fantasy and they hope she'll bring her lesbian friends. (Ever notice how many incredibly hot lesbians this site has?)

We used to catch the same IP address with dozens of these accounts - same with Femme Dommes and Unicorns.

Online sure, don't doubt that. But I know lesbians and asexual women who have Doms or enjoy being topped by men and no sex is involved


Which is moot since he's talking about online.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 7:14:43 PM   
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:p true....Sorry :/

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 7:46:22 PM   
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Online sure, don't doubt that. But I know lesbians and asexual women who have Doms or enjoy being topped by men and no sex is involved


Yeah? How many?

I'm not saying the number is zero. Lets do the math...

Of ALL of the people that you know involved in BDSM, what is the ridiculously small number of female lesbians who are engaged with het men?

Do you know why those profiles get created. It's because there are (some) men dumb enough to fall for the fantasy and it gets their dick hard.



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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 8:28:08 PM   
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Online sure, don't doubt that. But I know lesbians and asexual women who have Doms or enjoy being topped by men and no sex is involved


Yeah? How many?

I'm not saying the number is zero. Lets do the math...

Of ALL of the people that you know involved in BDSM, what is the ridiculously small number of female lesbians who are engaged with het men?

Do you know why those profiles get created. It's because there are (some) men dumb enough to fall for the fantasy and it gets their dick hard.



There's quite a few at our local dungeon. I'm not saying the guys are their 24/7 or anything but they play regularly with eachother. I personally know two lesbians and one asexual who all have male tops and Masochists. As a side note I know even more straight women who play with other women. Sexual orientation has very little to do with who one plays with if sex isn't involved.

But like y'all said, that's irl and not online, so it's irrelevant here.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 8:37:16 PM   
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I'm a straight woman who engages in BDSM with other women. At any given time, a full THIRD of my casual play partners are female.

Do you know why?

It's because women feel safer with me than 99% of the het male tops out there.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 8:39:28 PM   
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<RAISES HAND.>

I'm a straight woman who engages in BDSM with other women. At any given time, a full THIRD of my casual play partners are female.

Do you know why?

It's because women feel safer with me than 99% of the het male tops out there.


Ya, the times I've played with female tops it was so much more enjoyable. I could relax and actually be in the moment.
I've not played with any males I was not sexually involved with :/

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 8:59:30 PM   
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I'm one of those weird folks who doesn't automatically equate BDSM with sex.

True story.

First time I agreed to top a female in the S/m sense, I kind of got talked into it. She had played quite a bit before, but she had never managed to reach sub space. Chosen (a prior sub of mine) had pumped her head full of the idea that "if anybody can get you to subspace, Mistress Pact can".

(Yeah. No pressure or anything.)

I'm not really a service top, but I agreed to make the attempt.

The woman f^cking soared! She was beautiful and elegant and the whole scene was f^cking perfect.

Not because I'm Uber Domme or anything. I think a lot of it was her relaxation going in knowing that I wasn't just some het guy (or bi gal) trying to f^ck her. Taking that element away made it work for her.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 11:01:27 PM   
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Such a fantastic conversation. Many great points you have all made.

the " your couching a dumbass to be a better less detectable dumbass" point is one that I had not thought of. I really don't think a fakey wannabee would really understand what I am saying in my OP and wouldn't change his ways really, But it is a good point.

Yes it was written from a Het dom standpoint primarily because I am not sure I could write it from any other standpoint but my own. doing so would take a much more clever writer then I am. Apologies but true.

I wrote this for 2 reasons. First I am genuinely interested in others points of view on this ( fascinating thoughts from all sides here) . Second I am a teacher/Instructor by nature and saw a place where under education was rampant and by instinct wanted to correct it (my bad or good, Duno).

IN any case at all this has sparked some interesting and informative conversation and some great tangents as well so I consider it successful for its intent and look forward to More points of view :)

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/26/2016 11:36:56 PM   
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Interesting read. I tend to disagree with the "power" concept, as in the sub has all the power. In all actuality, each person -- while online especially has their own power. I mean its online and people are adults. I do agree that a Man or Woman should not act like anyone's personal Dom before the actual relationship is solidified. However, here's where my beliefs tend to tangent off from many others. I want a man to be who he is and for me dominance is a part of his persona. For me, I don't see being a dominant or dominance as actions, I see it as part of the core of a man. So yes, I want to sense the dominance in him, I want to feel that power in him. This is not "actions" or words, its his demeanor, its his personality, it comes out in how he communicates etc. grins, I also want someone to communicate with me as what they feel is being a dominant. If they chose to say kneel or whatever other perceived dominant phrase, I WANT them to do so -- why? Because it will allow me to cut the BS. I would rather not have people trained to hide that to "get someone to speak with them." If their way of addressing someone they don't know who has the label or self-identification as sub or slave is to tell them to kneel, talk down to them etc, bring it on. It simply means I can easily delete you and not waste my time trying to figure out if dominance is a character you put on and take off or if its part of the building block of their persona.

Do messages get annoying -- sure but you don't even need to open emails to see what someone says. So its really not that big of a deal - - in the end, I don't want people "coached" as to how to approach me as a submissive because the men who are simple dominant men as who they are -- its not what they do.



Well said


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 2:35:03 AM   
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the " your couching a dumbass to be a better less detectable dumbass" point is one that I had not thought of. I really don't think a fakey wannabee would really understand what I am saying in my OP and wouldn't change his ways really, But it is a good point.


I think it's utter shite. It's exclusionary and smacks of high school.

I go out of my way to teach people to interact better. I WANT people to learn how to connect with others. Most humans can only be their best human selves in connection with other humans they can learn from and grow with.

Give them the chance.

Many will not take it. And that's OK.

But to suggest that some people do not "deserve" to learn how to interact successfully? Ugh! What horrible snootiness. For shame.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 3:50:54 AM   
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1. Why the fuck so many lesbians are looking for "dominant men" is beyond me. Almost all these profile are men pretending they are women, or scammers as OsideGirl said.
2. Not to mention their profiles were almost invariably tedious as fuck. Erm because a man wrote the profile, sometimes a scammer wrote it. You should be able to differentiate by now in almost all instances which of these profiles are; women (hardly any). Men after some lesbian talk and titty pictures (as ladypact says), and scammers after cash.

Greatlilbabygirl People come on these place for all manner or reasons; Love, company, boredom, perhaps they rarely get outside like me. some to fantasise, lie, cheat, learn, thrills - the list is rather long But your mailers perception of women and these sites is clear and he is far from alone.

Bayudness You asked for opinions. To me you just wrote that because you wish women to perceive yourself to be, intelligent, credible, responsible, methodical and in demand from the feebler of the species who lack a modicum of intelligence. Strange I have seen almost the exact same thing written not to long ago

Conversations should be equal, that however is rarely the case so feel free to be nice and honest and ask them:
Why they got a shit tattoo and were they drunk at the time.
Congratulate them on their empty profiles and say "you get it" and they must be truly awesome beings.
And so on.

Mails send them something different - but if they-you have no profile, pictures off their own creation, the task becomes harder I am not saying there isnt a place for "cliché mails" but some might think the writers are being serious.

Man seeks women how do i find me nymph (sorry i meant true love-not an object or lesser mortal) is a bit different to answer because of the skew men:women ratio

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 5:25:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: Bayudness

the " your couching a dumbass to be a better less detectable dumbass" point is one that I had not thought of. I really don't think a fakey wannabee would really understand what I am saying in my OP and wouldn't change his ways really, But it is a good point.


I think it's utter shite. It's exclusionary and smacks of high school.

I go out of my way to teach people to interact better. I WANT people to learn how to connect with others. Most humans can only be their best human selves in connection with other humans they can learn from and grow with.

Give them the chance.

Many will not take it. And that's OK.

But to suggest that some people do not "deserve" to learn how to interact successfully? Ugh! What horrible snootiness. For shame.


I see it as equally snooty (and rather condescending) that you've taken on the mission of teaching others who haven't come to you for a lesson, concerned that if they don't behave as you do they may not thrive.

I believe I understand the spirit of what you're saying, though. Personally, I believe that the world and those around us improve when we improve ourselves, not when we concern ourselves with how to improve others. Perhaps it's a fundamental difference between a D-type and an s-type.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 5:36:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ohthat1percent

Interesting read. I tend to disagree with the "power" concept, as in the sub has all the power. In all actuality, each person -- while online especially has their own power. I mean its online and people are adults. I do agree that a Man or Woman should not act like anyone's personal Dom before the actual relationship is solidified. However, here's where my beliefs tend to tangent off from many others. I want a man to be who he is and for me dominance is a part of his persona. For me, I don't see being a dominant or dominance as actions, I see it as part of the core of a man. So yes, I want to sense the dominance in him, I want to feel that power in him. This is not "actions" or words, its his demeanor, its his personality, it comes out in how he communicates etc. grins, I also want someone to communicate with me as what they feel is being a dominant. If they chose to say kneel or whatever other perceived dominant phrase, I WANT them to do so -- why? Because it will allow me to cut the BS. I would rather not have people trained to hide that to "get someone to speak with them." If their way of addressing someone they don't know who has the label or self-identification as sub or slave is to tell them to kneel, talk down to them etc, bring it on. It simply means I can easily delete you and not waste my time trying to figure out if dominance is a character you put on and take off or if its part of the building block of their persona.




I agree with much of this. The idea of reaching a point when we say "Okay, we know each other well enough, I'm going to start being your Dominant now. Is that okay?" lacks authenticity for me. I wanted him to simply be his dominant self, and I wanted to feel my response to him and follow that freely.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 6:02:58 AM   
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Bayudness You asked for opinions. To me you just wrote that because you wish women to perceive yourself to be, intelligent, credible, responsible, methodical and in demand from the feebler of the species who lack a modicum of intelligence. Strange I have seen almost the exact same thing written not to long ago

OR I actually am interested in other points of view on this. and to this end asked for these opinions.I do not wish anyone to perceive me as anything more then a curious poster stating what I see. If what you said were true I certainly wouldn't do it online where perception itself is a skewed chaotic mixture of txt. I assure you I am genuinely interested for my own self and for others gratification.

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