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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 6:12:30 AM   
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I see it as equally snooty (and rather condescending) that you've taken on the mission of teaching others who haven't come to you for a lesson, concerned that if they don't behave as you do they may not thrive.


I take on the mission by nature not by choice, AND they came into MY thread curious about MY opinion on a subject.If you had read the context of the OP it was very much an IMO as the title it suggests, Not a do it this way but more of a This is how I see things and you can take a suggestion from it or leave one of your own that may be better then this.

In any case I dont think any of the opinions are wrong or bad, they are all simply different and I apreciate them.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 6:20:43 AM   
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My comment wasn't directed at you.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 7:28:02 AM   
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Apologies then its seemed so. This is why I dislike texted discourse. the inflection and meaning is sometimes hard to read. tone of voice,body language and so forth not existing in text.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 7:31:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: Bayudness

the " your couching a dumbass to be a better less detectable dumbass" point is one that I had not thought of. I really don't think a fakey wannabee would really understand what I am saying in my OP and wouldn't change his ways really, But it is a good point.


I think it's utter shite. It's exclusionary and smacks of high school.

I go out of my way to teach people to interact better. I WANT people to learn how to connect with others. Most humans can only be their best human selves in connection with other humans they can learn from and grow with.

Give them the chance.

Many will not take it. And that's OK.

But to suggest that some people do not "deserve" to learn how to interact successfully? Ugh! What horrible snootiness. For shame.


I see it as equally snooty (and rather condescending) that you've taken on the mission of teaching others who haven't come to you for a lesson, concerned that if they don't behave as you do they may not thrive.


You are making the assumption that I do this to people who don't ask, rather than simply giving the opportunity, and letting them choose for themselves.

And, in case you're wondering, THAT ^^^ tone IS condescending. Putting words in people's mouths is a crappy way to discuss, well, anything.


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 7:55:32 AM   
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It isn't your thread. You don't get to tell people who comment what they can and can't say. You don't get to control them in any way. If you want that, then start your own site.

In the meantime I suggest you read the TOS.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 8:13:12 AM   
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I gave only my opinion and I was not cruel to you nor dismissive of this reality of yours or validity. I did cover a few peoples replies and your words - I have read before have I not?

Is your opinion curious or absolute, I am confused.
I myself believe a verification would take out an aspect of your original thread and it is truly my hope to see this before I depart here and I have been about since the beginning of time. It requires a modicum of effort and by no means absolutely perfect.

I concede the bulk of people on these sites are looking...Sites forums. dichonmy with their TOC, allow me to name sites
I met people via
IC (marvellous place) it is no longer
bcom - sell out to alt - and its parent company
CM or CM - not remotely
fet - not remotely and it has the numbers

That is me & I never claim perfection but i am better than almost all

I am neither a catfish, nor a gentlemen from the catfish aspect

But that leaves me to voids of alone and here I am, still, barely

Should I devolve myself

You asked? - The power lies with absolute equality
would I, or not, take advantage of someone vulnerable or stupid or with woo that would cos them to flow like the dry falls (you now what this or or do not). Within my non perfect mind, there are no women in Scotland here looking, or the Uk, nor fet life - the married waffle sophists fakes cheats and liars and enablers are totally in charge and if you say that you will be banned, well if you are a verified entity of a man

sad times indeed





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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 9:16:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Within my non perfect mind, there are no women in Scotland here looking


It's about time you acknowledged reality outside of Scotland. I knew you could. I truly hope you can find someone who loves you in your reality and will fit eagerly
and enthusiastically into the Universe you want to create with her.. and your cats, three being the perfect number of cats to have about.

OP:

Here's the problem I have with threads such as these.. I fear they aren't allowing for the complexity and diversity of man. Honestly, the approach you offer in your OP leaves
me cold.. and dry. There's not a single dragon to be found in that approach and I might as well just put on a Nun's habit for all the passion it invokes.

Letter A fits slot A quite well.. such things are already 'correct' as one poster put it or call it an 'ideal' but attempt to change Letter B's so they fit Slot A's is quite off
putting to the Slot B's since you are trying to correct or change what is already found to be perfect to someone.. maybe not even a slot B someone. .could be a slot
Q but B's work pretty well for them.. whatever the combination is..

IDIC.. yanno?


The 'vast' majority don't matter. I'd take quirky over convenient 90% of the time and the guy who is up front in his approach is MUCH more likely to gain my
attention. To me.. this is .. hmm.. I guess it's sort of a white-washed version of perversion. I want to see the raw and real .. see if it has appeal to 'me' because,
you know, maybe it doesn't need correcting and maybe I only have anecdotal experience based on my personal experiences but what I seek, how I seek it and the
paths which appeal to 'me' are unknown by anyone but me.. so, please, let folks be who they are without the mask because sometimes that ugly underside needs
a particular sort of eye to find beauty in it.

Yes, it's probably ironic that I'm mostly blind. ::chuckles::


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 9:19:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I think it's utter shite. It's exclusionary and smacks of high school.

I go out of my way to teach people to interact better. I WANT people to learn how to connect with others. Most humans can only be their best human selves in connection with other humans they can learn from and grow with.

Give them the chance.

Many will not take it. And that's OK.

But to suggest that some people do not "deserve" to learn how to interact successfully? Ugh! What horrible snootiness. For shame.

I completely disagree with you and I've even got some reasons as to why I believe differently that you.

I feel that I should put the disclaimer in here that everybody, regardless of gender or role is going to get their share of crap email on the internet. The type might vary depending on the category a person happens to fall into but people know what type they get depending on who they are. If the implied genders of the original had been reversed, something along the lines of female Dominants initiating emails, wanted to be the Dominant of the male submissive they are writing, the high majority of the time, we know where this is going. It's about making somebody's wallet lighter, via (some) fin kink, pay for play, driving traffic to pay sites, and various other things. That makes it a very useful red flag.

The same happens to males on the other side of the slash that get emails from the hot looking young babe, who immediately say they want to 'serve' the male Dominant they are contacting. Again, high majority of the time, there is some angle coming that involves money. Transportation/relocation costs, pay off the "debt" to the former Master, hard luck stories, etc, etc. If I even said the words "Grapevine, Texas," all of the long term posters would be able to name <insert scam description here>. Again, very useful red flag.

Women, of course, are the receivers of different kinds of crap emails. Anybody can see this for themselves if they choose to have a look at the black and white site under that interesting group called "Return to Sender". Read the opening post of each thread for a few pages. I just did a test run on this and I came back with people who had abusive messages, racist slurs, proposition of gang bangs, (would you be willing to tease and service a room full of men) one who messaged the woman saying he would love to massage her udders, (in that terminology) and various other things. Thousands upon thousands of examples.

But, that's not the real story because the guys who send that crud via email are not living in an internet vacuum. High majority of the time, men DO know how to interact with women, start conversations, etc because men are our co-workers, neighbors, fellow participants in our kink communities, the guys who initiate conversations while standing in line at the grocery store and every other place that men and women interact in the face to face world. Some of them just CHOOSE not to act the same way they would in the real world because hey, it's the internet.

As a Dominant woman, I do get a certain kind of crud via email. It's never (or very rarely) anything that people say to me in person. General fantasy crap like they want to lick (slobber) on my shoes, or kinks they want me to do to them, or (the one that makes all roll our eyes) about how they want to "orally service" me for hours. We all know castration guy, trash bag guy, mosquito guy, cigarette burn guy, because these are the guys that spam darn near every woman on the site.

What I get as crap is nothing compared to what some submissive females get. The stuff I get is usually about what people want done to them as far as the "crud" category goes. The female s-types get the awful stuff that men tell them they specifically want to do to them. How they want to rape them, even writing out and sending the very detailed way about how they'll do it. Messages about how they (the male sending it) wants to mutilate the person. Let's not forget the emails that include the topics that aren't even permitted on the forums:

quote:

Subjects which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - minors engaged in sexual activities, bestiality, incest involving minors, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities

Those topics absolutely do show up in some of the female submissive's email.

When they get that stuff, no, I'm not going to encourage them to try to "teach them how to interact better". I'd rather see them report those type of emails to the site rather than try to interact with them because when those guys get a response, they keep doing it.

The discussions about emails that we have on the forums are always interesting. However, it's not often that it's the male members of the forums who actually NEED the pointers on how to send decent emails. A high percentage of the male Dominant forum participants are actually really nice guys. The problem tends to be that the other guys screw it up for them.



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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 9:33:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
It's about time you acknowledged reality outside of Scotland.

You're not a proper Scot if you can do that. There's just the bastard English down south, and the suggestion that there's anything beyond that is just a conspiracy on their part to try and con the Scots.

O flooooooer o' Scotland...

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 10:42:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
It's about time you acknowledged reality outside of Scotland.

You're not a proper Scot if you can do that. There's just the bastard English down south, and the suggestion that there's anything beyond that is just a conspiracy on their part to try and con the Scots.

O flooooooer o' Scotland...


I'm sorry, Mistress. Would you like to tan my tartans?


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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:18:37 AM   
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Congratulate them on their empty profiles and say "you get it" and they must be truly awesome beings.
And so on.

Mails send them something different - but if they-you have no profile, pictures off their own creation, the task becomes harder I am not saying there isnt a place for "cliché mails" but some might think the writers are being serious.

I'm trimming this down to the points I find relevant.

I don't know if anybody on the thread remembers it but the first few months I was on the site, I had a one line profile. It was the laziest profile that I could have come up with. "I'll fill this out later when I have the time." You'll see quite a few posts on the forums from me that coincided with the same time period that I had time for but that's because the forums were wayyyyy more interesting than the personals. Not to mention, back in 2007, there were a lot more contributors here that actually lived in my local (and surrounding) areas, so I knew quite a few people that I saw real life in the kink community and also got to read their posts. If you go back and look at the 2007 threads, you will see a lot of amazing posters that aren't here anymore because they split here for Fet. Leather people. A bunch of M/s (non leather people). Club owners/managers, munch organizers, producers of major kink events in the USA. All kinds of people.

quote:

IC (marvellous place) it is no longer
bcom - sell out to alt - and its parent company
CM or CM - not remotely
fet - not remotely and it has the numbers

It was a sad thing when those of you who were on IC no longer had it because it closed down. I was never on it but overwhelmingly, people that I talked to that had been on it said marvelous things about it. Shame it is no longer a resource.

I have met a ton of people via CM. In fact, when we moved from GA to CA, using CM was the way I used to network with some of the posters (at the time) to say hey, let's meet. I even met (and played) with people from the site during the cross country move. (Thunder in the Mountains was that weekend in Colorado, so we stopped there.)

I didn't get to meet all of the forum posters that live in CA. (It's a big state.) There have been some missed chances, etc.

Moving from CA to AK, I used Fet. There really weren't any regular forum posters from AK at that time and Fet was more convenient. Want to know where events are? Use the event tab. Simple. By that time, any given munch, night at the club, or whatever, at least 90% attending have a Fet account.

While not the primary reason I leave my profile located to Alaska, it does come with a really nice fringe benefit. I do not get nearly the number of junk emails compared to the number I get any time my profile has a location in the continental United States. I don't get the emails that are the equivalent of cold calling. Most men just don't realize the volume of mail that some of these women get unless they are in a relationship with them or they've done the 'experiment' of creating a female profile to specifically find out.




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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:19:21 AM   
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Oh flooooooer o' Scotland (again)

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:24:09 AM   
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IC was definitely rather good.
I suppose it's gone now because (unlike shite like alt.com) it wasn't making anybody any money. Here'll be next...

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:25:00 AM   
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WickedsDesire: I very much enjoy your prose all tho do not always agree. I see you as a bit of a Shakespeare's Pan I think. thank you for the response.

BitaTruble: even tho we do not agree completely I see your point and see reason why I might modify my thinking a bit. I also wanted to add that I took a peek at your profile and it is a fascinating and beautiful read and I very much appreciate it.

NOW
LadyPact: this response was the best thing I could have possibly hoped for in this thread. You have contributed far more then I have to it, and the insight you brought from "The other side " was to put it bluntly Fucking Brilliant, I have gained insight and am a better man for reading it. /much respect

I love all of these responses, Its the variance in opinions that makes it such a good thing to discuss.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:49:47 AM   
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Hey All,
I see this thread has developed a bit further from the initial post, but I still wanted to add my thoughts as this is something that's being 'upsetting' me for a while and it's nice to discuss it with others.

Something more than 'hi' is obviously necessary. Many seem to think that an empty compliment and vague agreement to something from my profile text is enough to 'earn' them a prolonged dialogue with me. I don't owe anybody anything.

It seems that sometimes a girl just can't win. I used to pride myself on replying to all messages received, even with a polite 'no thank-you'. That would more often than not get me some abuse for being stuck up/stupid or lead to them trying to convince me to talk to them. If I ignored messages, I'd STILL get an angry follow-up.

SOMETIMES, just sometimes, a nice, promising message comes through. Clearly the guy can form complete sentences, he's read a few books and isn't immediately telling me all the ways he'd like to interact with me in a physical way. I recently had on of these, so I responded with a short, polite message asking a few questions and prompting a further conversation. The response I received was over 1000words. Asking me a series of questions such as what I like about him, how did I see our future together, what was my favourite part of his profile, which ways did I imagine changing my life to fit with what he had described on his profile? Wow, too much. I told him that was a little much for a second message and tried to steer him to some more neutral topics. the next message was even longer, pressing further for answers to his earlier questions and suggesting his own. I had alarm bells ringing and I told him so, politely. Now I get daily abuse from a string of profiles that I have to block.

TL;dr : can't win!

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 11:53:31 AM   
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Something more than 'hi' is obviously necessary. Many seem to think that an empty compliment and vague agreement to something from my profile text is enough to 'earn' them a prolonged dialogue with me. I don't owe anybody anything.

You ain't going to get anywhere with the whiney bitchesreal men on here with an attitude like that, sweetie...

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 12:08:23 PM   
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😂 After 9 years of minimal luck, you may be right!

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 12:09:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: londonfox

Hey All,
I see this thread has developed a bit further from the initial post, but I still wanted to add my thoughts as this is something that's being 'upsetting' me for a while and it's nice to discuss it with others.

Something more than 'hi' is obviously necessary. Many seem to think that an empty compliment and vague agreement to something from my profile text is enough to 'earn' them a prolonged dialogue with me. I don't owe anybody anything.

It seems that sometimes a girl just can't win. I used to pride myself on replying to all messages received, even with a polite 'no thank-you'. That would more often than not get me some abuse for being stuck up/stupid or lead to them trying to convince me to talk to them. If I ignored messages, I'd STILL get an angry follow-up.

SOMETIMES, just sometimes, a nice, promising message comes through. Clearly the guy can form complete sentences, he's read a few books and isn't immediately telling me all the ways he'd like to interact with me in a physical way. I recently had on of these, so I responded with a short, polite message asking a few questions and prompting a further conversation. The response I received was over 1000words. Asking me a series of questions such as what I like about him, how did I see our future together, what was my favourite part of his profile, which ways did I imagine changing my life to fit with what he had described on his profile? Wow, too much. I told him that was a little much for a second message and tried to steer him to some more neutral topics. the next message was even longer, pressing further for answers to his earlier questions and suggesting his own. I had alarm bells ringing and I told him so, politely. Now I get daily abuse from a string of profiles that I have to block.

TL;dr : can't win!


Report every single message and send a list of profiles to support. They can block by IP address.

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 12:16:50 PM   
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Thank-you, I had no idea. I'll do this now x

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RE: The order of things in online conversations as I se... - 9/27/2016 5:08:31 PM   
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Actually, it's because they're fake profiles. They're set up by scammers because so many men have the "Turn a Lesbian" fantasy and they hope she'll bring her lesbian friends. (Ever notice how many incredibly hot lesbians this site has?)

We used to catch the same IP address with dozens of these accounts - same with Femme Dommes and Unicorns.

It is not just lesbian, but there seem to be as many bisexual women here as there are straight women. That, however, is more plausible on a kink site.

I would have thought Awareness had already figured out that many female profiles are created by men -- horny net geeks anonymously exploring their "feminine" side.
All the merrier for them when it is a straight maleDom who falls for their ruse, or gets snared in their on-line traps.

(And before he goes Tourette's pointing the finger at male subs, wanna bet there are male doms posing as lesbians in order to engage lesbians into interacting with them?
According to a lesbian friend of ours, these wannabe dominants cannot accept their perceived rejection of manhood by any female. Once she calls them out, they go ballistic on her and show their truly ugly, nasty colors.)

Oside, did you mean "Fin Dommes" not "Femme"?

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