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14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 7:50:00 PM   
LotusSong


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The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler
(Germany) , Mussolini (Italy) , Franco (Spain) , Suharto (Indonesia)
and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining
characteristics common to each:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2


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Any of this sound familiar? People may also want to do some research
into the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party to power in 1930's Germany,
and compare that to the tactics of the Republican Party. The
similarities are striking.

[Mod Note:  paste of copyrighted article removed, link remains]

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:14:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		so what I need is a better explanation.   does this mean that (in the order you presented them:

1.   We should open our borders to anyone that wants to come here and blow us up (refering to 9/11 and the ILLEGALS that cross over daily)

2.  I don't get it.  Are republicans saying we have to join a paticular religion some place?

3.  So being proud of your nation and your way of life is a bad thing I guess?

4.  I was a union steward.   I didn't know the government made unions illegal.   I thought the republicans created OSHA in consort with Labor and Managment in 1970. 

5.  I didn't know that the Republican Party had policing powers.  When did that happen? 

6.  We had a fraudulent election?  I thought that was settled by the Supreme Court which I didn't think took its orders from the Republican Party.   Or am I mistaken because they ruled against the Administration on the keeping of terrorists

7.  You mean that the Dems don't appoint their cronies and supporters to positions?   I thought Bill appointed Hillary to disolve our medical system and take our children away from us because we are incapapble of caring for them and it takes a village (which I guess was to be run by a Clinton appointee).

8.  You mean that the EPA and OSHA were created for Business by the republicans in 1970?

9.  I am sorry.   I thought that censorship during WWII was a part of the requirements to save the lives of our solders not of that fine Repbulican Roosevelt - oh wait he was a Dem

10.  Here we go again.   Both civil rights acts were done with Republican controlled congresses.   I thought they protected womens rights amongst other laws.   and I forgot, it is the aim of the clintons to take our children so they can raise them in the village so I guess that means that the Dems want us to desolve families?

11.  Does this mean that the Al Quidea didn't hijack the airplanes that ran into our buildings that is was Republicans?

12.  Gee   when I was in college if my opinion didn't meet the profs then I failed my classes cause we know that the profs opinion is the only one that is right.   And of course and emphasis on helping kids pass throught the educational system with a real education is the wrong course of action for us to take.

13.  Hmmmmmm   Guess we should disband the military and give all the money to the EPA and OSHA so they can whomp on Republican businesses (Wonder how Dems support themselves since we know that all their money went to the military)

14.  Again,   Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, OSHA, EPA were all done during the Repbulican controlled congreses.   I guess they are anti people and should be dropped in favor of letting the Dems run us.

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:16:34 PM   
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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:21:03 PM   
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Oh yeah   Wasn't it the Republicans that freed the slaves?


Yes, it was Newt and Ed Meese. Oh, and Lincoln (Abe, not Chafee).

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:23:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		mmm, yes, but the republicans running the show these days aren't like the ones who did admirable things, i'm afraid.  sad, really...quite a loss for the country...

and as for #2, the answer's yes -- evangelical christian.  the decisions and administration are slanted toward and favor that particular brand of faith.....

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:28:50 PM   
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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:37:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just posted this for people's perusal.  It's time we start THINKING a bit rather than rolling ourselves up in the flag while we offer “heils” of blind loyalty to a seriously troubled administration.

Hitler has a saying:
One Book, One Reich, One Furor

I’m not asking anyone to change their views.. just think.  I was a republican for 22 years. I came to my senses in 2000.

So read on folks.. I really have nothing more to add.

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:40:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		BTW   I don't support everything of the Republicans either. 

1.   I belieeve I should be able to shop, walk down the street or whatever nude.

2.  I believe I should be able to have sex with whomever I want, whenever I want, whereever I want, Including the m iddle of the park on kids day.

3.   I believe that we should have slavery.   I can think of a few people that I would make my slave.

4.  I believe that I should be allowed to shoot at people that are shooting at me.

5.  I believe that I should be allowed to tell you exactly where to go and have you leave without smiling.

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:41:35 PM   
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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:45:41 PM   
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Didn't start shit.  Just presented some thoughts.  But as Ron White would say to you:  "Next time you get a thought...just let it go, ok? " LOL

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:48:27 PM   
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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:48:52 PM   
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Oh yeah   Wasn't it the Republicans that freed the slaves?


lincoln only "freed" the slaves it was politically expedient for him to free - the ones in the south. meaning that he didn't support freedom for all slaves, and if i recall correctly, he himself owned slaves.   


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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:50:38 PM   
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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:54:10 PM   
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You made an accuzation against ALL republicans.  You I take that personally.   Since you made the accuzation publically then you should defend it publically not privately.   Or are you afraid to express your own opinion and have to stick to some party line someplace.



No.  I just can't seem to take a grown man in a little knight suit seriously :).. Hey, did you see the portrait Hitler he had done of himself as a Knight?

"Most people are just as offended as they want to be"- Lincoln

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:55:05 PM   
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No, Lincoln didn't own slaves.


you are correct; i apologize, i was misinformed.

however, it is true that his actions were not motivated specifically out of any great desire to abolish slavery (though he was personally against slavery).

from: http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1997/ihy970223.html
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Before Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, he had no intent to destroy slavery. In his inaugural speech, Lincoln said, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with slavery in the states where it exists." At the beginning of the Civil War, Lincoln also said that whatever he did about slavery was only to save the Union.... Since he had pledged in his inaugural speech not to interfere with slavery in the states that remained loyal to the Union, the Emancipation Proclamation freed only those slaves in the states that had seceded from the Union and were part of the Confederate States of America.


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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:56:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just did a quick search on Lincoln.   Looks like he only lived in slave free states.   He did see a slave auction in New Orleans once when his dad took him there.   And at Presidential level almost everything in political (even what is for dinner - At least it was at the 3 Ambassadors Dinners that I had to attend).

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 8:58:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not a Knights suit.   it is a man at arms.   HUGE difference.  I have been a man at arms since September 12, 1966 when I raised my right hand.

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 9:00:09 PM   
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You made an accuzation against ALL republicans.  You I take that personally.   Since you made the accuzation publically then you should defend it publically not privately.   Or are you afraid to express your own opinion and have to stick to some party line someplace.


i don't necessarily think criticizing the republican party is criticizing all republicans. i know members of the republican party who swing a bit more liberally than the general stance of the party, and members who swing a bit more conservatively (if not widely towards fascism).

it IS true that extreme right wing politics are fascist, just as extreme left-wing politics are communist; the two are the extremes of political parties in general. thus, when one party is getting a little "too" right or left, it IS probably a good idea to check ourselves and see how we are doing. i think this is simply what lotus is suggesting. it is true that our heated and emotionally charged reactions to events, including attacks on our own country, can cause us to do things that are motivated out of fear and swing more conservative than what we might expect "republican" to be. i mean, hitler's reign was motivated out of fear and scapegoating. to be so overconfident as to presume that it wouldn't be easy to fall into something like that again is insanity. we DO (and i speak of ALL parties; i am not republican, i'm socialist - a step down from communist) need to at least reflect on where we are and how we're doing. history is not completely immune from repeating itself.


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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 9:00:27 PM   
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No, Lincoln didn't own slaves.


you are correct; i apologize, i was misinformed.

however, it is true that his actions were not motivated specifically out of any great desire to abolish slavery (though he was personally against slavery).

from: http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1997/ihy970223.html
quote:

Before Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, he had no intent to destroy slavery. In his inaugural speech, Lincoln said, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with slavery in the states where it exists." At the beginning of the Civil War, Lincoln also said that whatever he did about slavery was only to save the Union.... Since he had pledged in his inaugural speech not to interfere with slavery in the states that remained loyal to the Union, the Emancipation Proclamation freed only those slaves in the states that had seceded from the Union and were part of the Confederate States of America.



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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/22/2006 9:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok   so now it sounds like you are saying only the extreme of the republicans are Facists.   Define your definition of the extreme right so I can udnerstand where people stand. 

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