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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/24/2006 5:56:42 PM   
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I think the reference is to an MI5 file, i.e. the UK equivalent of a CIA or FBI file ( Mike Indigo Five rather than M fifteen)

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/24/2006 6:05:07 PM   
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Thank you .. I have since bee informed that that was the case :)

They told me.. but now they have to shoot me :)

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/25/2006 2:40:18 AM   
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Hi all

Yes - sorry! For our US viewers, MI5 is basically the same as the FBI. It stands for Military Intelligence Dept 5 and handles internal stuff. MI6 is Military Intelligence Dept 6 and is basically the same as the CIA, being concerned with external stuff - James Bond would work for MI6.

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/26/2006 12:03:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
Every time I hear talk about camps I want to grab my tinfoil hat . Seriously, Adolph Hitler was insane, he was paranoid, he was vicious and hate-filled; anyone speaking against him DIED. Bush does not fit in the same category, and the only people in "camps" are those he thinks (rightly or wrongly, I'm sure it's both) are terrorists. You know, like the ones that flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?
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bush doesn't speak out against governments who do or have used concentration camps in the past 50 years (the chinese), because it's not politically expedient for him, which is scary to begin with. i agree that the idea that concentration camps will start popping up everywhere here is probably a little far-fetched, but the fact that he doesn't find them morally wrong enough (especially considering his religious fervor) to actually condemn the use of them is kind of scary.

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I’m even more a tad raw on the issue of our “president” with his veto of the stem cell research bill this week, because of his belief that it is morally wrong.  He could give a rats ass because he seems to know the purpose of every cell that comes to this planet.  If my karma was to come here in cell form to assist in curing diseases at that stage of my life, I’d be honored.

When Bush vetoed the stem cell research bill this week because of his own personal BELIEFS- that just drove this entire issue home.  How can he  decide he knows the whole purpose of every living cell that comes to the planet?  Does he now think he is GOD?


to be fair, bush didn't veto -stem cell research-, he vetoed federal funding for it, which is something that was part of the platform he ran on originally, and he's sticking to it, which for a politician is pretty admirable (and not hugely common). i don't like it anymore than you do, but he made it clear when the crazier half of the country voted for him that he wasn't going to try to make stem cell research any easier. i doubt he'd actually be ABLE to make it illegal altogether, so this is his way of brickwalling it.

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Every democratic government runs in secret in certain areas. Do you know everything that the government is doing? And once again I will ask, what rights have you lost? Why is that such a hard question to answer?


no, i don't know everything that the government is doing, but i do know that some things are kept secret when they should not be. rights i've lost...well, theoretically i've lost many privacy rights in the name of homeland security. and as someone else mentioned, the erosion of my right to choose (the government actually funds "crisis pregnancy centers" that exist to mimic pph long enough to get people there so that they can be browbeaten, harrassed, and misled into not having abortions, for one example). i tried to get plan b once, and my regular pharmacist actually LIED to me about its availability because he morally disagreed with it. eventually his assistant told me surreptitiously that he was lying so i knew i could go somewhere else, but the fact that medical ethics mean nothing in the face of "pro-life" in this country makes me sick.

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What rights have I lost? That IS a difficult question to answer. I don't know if my phone calls are being tapped, my bank accounts scrutinized, my mail opened, my tax returns shared with other agency's, or anyone of a thousand other insults to a lawful US citizen. But if any of these things happen to even one of us, then we are all in jeopardy.


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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/26/2006 8:18:43 AM   
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to be fair, bush didn't veto -stem cell research-, he vetoed federal funding for it, which is something that was part of the platform he ran on originally, and he's sticking to it, which for a politician is pretty admirable (and not hugely common). i don't like it anymore than you do, but he made it clear when the crazier half of the country voted for him that he wasn't going to try to make stem cell research any easier. i doubt he'd actually be ABLE to make it illegal altogether, so this is his way of brickwalling it.


He has ok'd the researchers to use the cells they have... which are a very small amount.  It was compared to using a 1.0 software in a time where 6.0 is needed.  What he did was freeze the situation and say.. you guys just play with what you have been playing with and I'll get back to you- NOT!

Now if he could figure out a way he could profit by it, I'm sure he'd ok it ASAP.

As far as the camp idea?  It's been discussed here that we allowed the illegal’s in, stop them at the border, and put them in CAMPS for them to build the dividing wall on our boarder then send them home!

His guest worker program would be a form of slave labor. They can work, but for what kind of wage?

I'm tired of thinking about it..but I MUST think about it1  I'll think about that tomorrow.  (sometimes Scarlet had a good idea)

Thank you for your well thought out post :)


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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/26/2006 8:19:53 AM   
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An M16 up here is an assault rifle :)  That's for the clarification :)

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/26/2006 10:13:58 AM   
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They didn't write M-1(one)-6, Lotus. They wrote M-I(eye)-6

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RE: 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism - 7/26/2006 10:42:44 AM   
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I just read something in Time Magazine.  Singapore is doing the Stem Cell research :)  GOOD! 

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