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ThatDizzyChick -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 6:04:40 PM)

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That all being said -- can you and others stop complaining about each other -- maybe we can get more discussion. Thank you!

So only you are allowed to complain about people? Got it.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 6:42:47 PM)

This case is in my opinion, is the number one reason why there are separate and multiple charges are filed.

* The sex was consensual.
* The false identity is another issue.

I'm expressing this as my opinion or view of what the law, I feel should be. Yet, I'm well aware of the complexity of legal mumble jumble which evolves over time and the vast amounts of court rules. Modifications and creation of Laws at local, State and Federal levels. Reality may violate one's notions of what the law should be vs. what it actually is.

I'm going to post to the thread and continue reading through it.











ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 6:49:42 PM)

Dizzychick --- Yes I am -- glad you understand. So quit being an ass just to further derail the thread.





Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 7:07:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ohthat1percent

See that's where i have a conundrum -- i value honesty and i keep trying to put myself mentally in the position that some one impersonated someone or advised they were one person and turned out to be another -- would i feel raped and then lol the legal person in me asks me if it would be rape in the legal sense because i didn't consent to having sex with so and so, but with blah blah.

Then i keep thinking- rape is a physical action and if you consent to having sex with the body in front of you -- its not rape because emotional rape is not a crime.

lol i keep seeing it more as a civil damages concept for emotional distress than a criminal actin. But on some level i think -- hell yes they should be arrested and sent to jail.


Ok, I think context of how the word "Raped" is used. Because the word "Rape" is interchangeable with the word "Violated". Clearly any sane person would feel violated. It's only naturally.

In the moment she consented to the Sex and was engaged in Sex with him, she was not in a State of feeling violated at all. Nor was she being forced or in a state where she did not have the option to remove consent at anymore.

Both Parties involved actually were engaged in Mutual user of one another for some kind of gain (ironically).

What if this guy had been for real, really holding that position he claimed he had. Does this legally obligate him to do any special favors for her because they had sex? Would that not be a form of sexual prostitution?

So to continue things a little deeper. Let's explore, what if he really had been working for Hudson U for Admissions. Would he be legally obligated to admit her son to the University? Even more so if this violated the Policies outlined by Hudson U? What if he was working for Hudson U, told her that he'd see that her son was admitted and failed to do so... and she pressed Rape Charges against him? Worse yet, what if he had admitted her son to Hudson U in this manner (where it went against Hudson U's policies) and it exposed him and the University to possible legal actions or lawsuit? Also, what aspects to this regarding possible Blackmail in the future to insure her son stayed enrolled, despite his own GPA or performance at the school?

A case like this I think can open up a real can of worms.






ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 7:21:33 PM)

I am looking at the legal definition of rape and the statute. The court case was not about what he was obligated to do if he was the person he impersonated, it was whether she was raped by the actual man who was impersonating someone.

The hypothetical doesn't apply in a trial of the impersonator.


As to whether or not I believe she could get away with crying rape if he doesn't deliver, based on my interpretation of the TN statute, yes, she could, based on the concept of fraud. Whether or not they could win a jury on it.

I wonder if she would have a civil case lol the burden is not as high.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:44:16 PM)

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So quit being an ass just to further derail the thread.

Stop complaining about other people




ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:47:46 PM)

Look unless you are going to contribute to the thread -- go the fuck away, you have already shown you have no integrity. Stop being an ass and show you are capable of being something other than that by actually contributing. Or is your goal to simply be a child trying to egg people on and draw attention to yourself?

Grow up,




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:49:46 PM)

So anybody which lies to score a piece of ass with one another would be subject to being charged with rape?
This would be interesting regarding some of the possible situations.

1. Lies about Martial or involvement status.
2. An Unemployed person which lies about having a job when they don't.
3. Some pretending to have a lot more Wealth than they actually do.
4. Somebody pretending to have certain friends or influence in whatever social economic group when they don't.

Any number of situations where if the truth had been revealed, that entering into consensual sex otherwise would have never occurred.

I'm only responding with whatever thoughts I have on this. I don't have reference to the TN statues nor am I familiar with all the details of this theoretical case, nor the actual case(s) it is based off from.

"Oh crap, I really am not friends with the members of that Band to get you the backstage pass to actually meet them."






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:55:12 PM)

Stop complaining about other people.




Greta75 -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:58:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I take it you don't/cant check if these guys have an STI? and these guys can't check to see if you have one. Promiscuity is fine but there comes a point where people can get careless.


If I had to check IF every guy has STI, I will have to send every man I want to fuck to a medical check up, that would be ridiculous. Many of these are just One Night Stands. I can't send everyone to a medical. I simply do not have any fluid contact, including kissing or any oral interaction with them, and condoms are compulsory. And I always insist they shower before sex with soap.




ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 8:59:25 PM)

That's my conundrum. The problem is -- the actuality of being violated -- while is it a physical thing, its also a mental one.

I recently saw a meme -- I love memes lol that said something along the lines of I bet cheating would reach an all time low if the cheater lost an inch off his dick every time he cheated.

i wonder if someone could be charged with rape every time he/she lied to someone and then had sex with them under the perception of what their lies created.
Could you imagine the trial of same and what each side would bring up in the "name of credibility" every lie or negative character witnesses etc.

It would be FUBARED.





Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 9:01:26 PM)

Another thought. I what if two people enter into an agreement.

1. Where Sex was to be exchanged for a favor or service.
2. The favor and/or service was rendered.
3. The other party reneged upon the sex in exchange.

Wild theory case, what if a guy agree's to be tied up and ass fucked with a strap-on by some hot girl with the agreement she was going to fuck him afterward. Then she openly admits she had no intentions of ever letting him fuck her. Would this too be a similar case for Rape?




ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/6/2016 9:18:07 PM)

Well the first scenario is illegal as i believe it falls under solicitation but i don't know how exactly the statute reads -- i think prostitution is exchange for money, where solicitation is any concept of exchanging sex for something..

The thing is the crime in the instant thread is not about breaking a contract -- that even now is not criminal but civil. So your second scenario would be a civil matter -- one he probably would have a case if someone would take it. To me, in the second scenario, he consents to the sex.

In the instant thread, she doesn't cry rape due to a broken promise but based on impersonation.

To discuss all these other ideas is getting way outside the scope of the thread, in my opinion, and broadening it way to much.

Law tends to puts limits on what i call the "infinity" argument, if you read the laws, you can consider all types of scenerios to fit within the statute. Iits why some things become criminal complaints and others do not even though there may be an argument.

Crimes have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is why many scenerios are more adaptable to civil, where the burden of proof is a lot less.





crazyml -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 12:42:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Is this the same man-hating feminist lobby that fought to take the gender bias out of rape laws?


They did no such thing. What they fought for was to expand the definition of sexual assault for women.


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http://feminist.org/nomoreexcuses/rapeisrape.asp

https://www.change.org/p/tell-the-fbi-rape-is-rape

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070956/Womens-rights-advocates-hail-FBIs-new-definition-rape.html

Look, you're just a fucking moron. It's pointless trying to debate you when you're unable to even understand the content of the very links you provide. Feminists fought to expand the definition of rape for their own purposes but rape is STILL defined as fundamentally penetrative. In other words, by that definition, WOMEN CANNOT RAPE UNLESS THEY USE AN OBJECT TO DO SO.

Don't even bother responding. You're just too thick for this discussion.



How odd.

And yet, after the campaign, the new definition of rape was no longer defined exclusively as an attack on a woman.

I'm not sure I can see how that might translate into an act of man-hating.





ohthat1percent -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 4:18:36 AM)

Awareness. Did you even look at the parts of TN statute I provided?




Awareness -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 10:32:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
A feminist is someone who believes in equality of the sexes.
No, they're not. That's a piece of propaganda feminists use to try and make out they're bigger than the minority ideological hate group that they are.

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We've done this conversation over and over again, A.
We have and you lie EVERY, SINGLE, TIME. Doesn't the failed attempt at deception become tedious.

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You do *not* get to define the term the way you, personally, want to see it.
Neither do you, Cupcake. Inventing lies out of whole cloth might be the only real tool in the feminist armory but nobody with a scrap of intellect will allow you to get away with it.

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It's all over the net defined the way I and others say it is.
You can call yourself a Flower Queen all you want, but it doesn't make you one. Feminists can claim they believe in equality all they want, but when their actions consistently undermine their claim, it's readily apparent that they're liars.

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It is not defined on the net the way you say it is, except by fruitcake MRA sites that are beloved on this forum only by yourself and respectmen.
A) You're unable to engage in a discussion without resorting to character assination of anyone who disagrees with you. This is classic leftist non-argument. Mens Rights Activists don't "define" feminism, they judge it on its arguments, its history and its merits. And indeed, if you had the FAINTEST fucking idea what you're talking about, you'd know that in many cases, those same people have no problem with second wave feminism in general.

Third and fourth wave feminism is a toxic anti-male cocktail of frustrated dreams and personal inadequacies expressed in a hierarchy of victim-hood. The anti-male toxicity is what Mens Rights Activitists comment on and they're right. Tweakabelle is a demonstrable example of that.

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What people *claim* to believe in is something else entirely. It can do - and does - depend upon what people think of the word itself. Or, would you like to make the claim that the only people to be described as 'racists' are those who self-identify as racists?
Well that depends, dude. Do you claim only white people can be racist? If so, then you're a racist.

The racism issue is another example of stupidity and virtue signalling overriding considered thought. All races and cultures experience xenophobia to some degree. It's a reflection of our tribal origins. And most people tend to shun outsiders. Pretty much everyone is a fucking racist - what varies is the degree. Or are you one of those sad, pathetic re-inventors of history who claim that only white people are racist?

I grew up in Melbourne, an incredibly multicultural society, and went to school with Greeks, Italians, Aboriginals, Asians, Turks and others. As kids we didn't give a damn about someone's race and the cultural differences were often interesting.

However, what many Leftists term "racism" is often just the desire of people to maintain their existing way of life. If Islam floods Melbourne, for example, then the way of life the people of Melbourne have enjoyed will be destroyed. Islam is not accommodating once it gains ascendancy. Sharia Law will inevitably be imposed and the existing, thriving culture will be annihilated and replaced with a violent, superstitious religion which hates gay people and believes women are subordinate to their husbands. (The left's support of Islam is - to put it bluntly - fucking insane.)

I really can't be bothered to get into this with you because you're invariably going to say something phenomenally stupid.




Awareness -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 10:37:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Don't even bother responding. You're just too thick for this discussion.


*Everybody* is too thick to talk to you, A. How do you manage to get through life? I bet you yearn for the days when you were still living on Krypton.[:D]
Straw man. It's not my problem if you can't construct an argument to save your life. No doubt your inability to do so is one of the prime qualifications for British academia.



It wasn't a straw man, it was a plain insult, you dickhead.
An insult constructed by lying about what I said. Honestly Peon, I don't give a shit. You're not someone I respect and I question the intellect and judgement of any poor soul who actually does respect you.

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I can construct great arguments, A - just not ones that will convince gibbering fruitcakes, apparently.
Why yes, of course, your own self-evaluation is infinitely more reliable than an observer noting your consistent failure to do so. It's not like you're a classic case of Dunning-Kruger in action at all.

You just keep telling yourself that, Cupcake.






Awareness -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 11:01:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ohthat1percent

Awareness, I agree, it is difficult to get women arrested for rape much less a trial where a jury actually convicts, especially because men rarely report same or more importantly follow through.
Once again, NO. Police will not arrest, prosecutors will not prosecute and juries will not convict. Women bitch about the legal system putting them through hell to get their rapist convicted, but their path is like a road paved with flower petals compared to the impossibility of men trying to get their female rapist convicted.

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I am not saying that male victims have it as well as female victims and I am not saying there isn't a stigma. I am saying that the LAW is there for them. You indicated it wasn't -- it actually is. With the emergence of the LBGT movement and acceptance -- there are a rise in male complaintants but its mostly against males.
No, the law is NOT. The legal definition of rape does not include "made to penetrate". In the USA, a woman can get a man drunk, blow him, use the semen to impregnate herself, then claim child support. We know this is possible because it's happened.

There is no rise in complaints against women because the justice system does not want to arrest, prosecute and convict women. The first hurdle is the rape law itself which is explicitly focused on penetration. When your definition of sexual violation deliberately excludes the primary options available to women, then your rape law is gendered.

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You have to realize that MALE rape is a very hard case to prove and there is a stigma so you also have issues with a jury. Will it get better, I am sure it will especially with the GTLB movement.
This is the really problematic aspect of rape and the number of people who don't understand this is frustratingly high.

Almost ALL rape is incredibly hard to prove. Want to know why? Because in every case, the only difference between rape and consensual sex is how the participants feel about it. We're part of a community where people hit, bloody and scar each other and it's all fine because it's consensual. The only difference between any of these encounters and a rape is that the victim doesn't want it.

And proving what's going on in the contents of someone's mind is fucking impossible. Especially when the only witnesses are the participants themselves who each have their own reasons for the story they're telling.

You have women who tell stories about how they wanted sex, then changed their minds in the middle of the act, but were "too traumatised to communicate this". The feminist lobby wants guys convicted because they couldn't read minds or even if a woman's feelings about an encounter change after the fact, through "retroactive withdrawal of consent".

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As for your feminist comments -- I explained how I perceived your multiple accusations I see you use a lot lol. But in the end, its not that deep for me to fight you on. I think you missed my logic equation --- and here I was thinking my logic professor - -yes there was actually a class named logic lol would have been so proud of me in how I set that up. :-(

That all being said -- can you and others stop complaining about each other -- maybe we can get more discussion. Thank you!
As I pointed out - equating feminists with women is an elementary mistake. Most women want nothing to do with the feminist lobby and say so explicitly. As for people complaining about each other... you're clearly new here. Logic doesn't get much of a pass here, it's mostly monkeys throwing their shit at each other.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 11:24:19 AM)

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You're unable to engage in a discussion without resorting to character assination of anyone who disagrees with you.

That's fucking hilarious coming from you. [:D][:D]




Awareness -> RE: false identity/non-consensual sex - TRIGGER WARNING - SPOILER ALERT (10/7/2016 11:24:56 AM)

Shhhh. People with IQ's over 80 talking, luv.




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