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PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:18:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I've got news for you boy. Real women talk like this too.

I concur, though in my experience they have to get pretty drunk first. Hell just ask a male stripper about how handsy women get.


A drunken woman grabbing one's crotch isn't generally felt by the average bloke to be a threat, though.

The power aspect isn't there either, from what I've seen. Or is there an example of a top female politician, whose power has gone to her had and makes her think 'any man's hers for taking' and who's been caught out doing something similar? Hard to think of it of M Thatcher or Angela Merkel, for instance. (Almost bloody surreal, actually. Heh.)



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:27:24 AM)

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For me they're not 'real men',

So really you are no different from Awareness. He defines "real" men as those that agree with him, as do you. I define "real" men as the men I actually encounter, and some of them are entitled dicks and some are not, but they are all "real" men. The whole idea of trying to define what a "real" man is, is simply stupid. All men are "real" men, what you are doing is trying to define masculinity on the basis of what you personally find socially acceptable, same as Awareness does.
So yes, real actual men do indeed say shit like Trump said (though most know better than to do so when they have a live mic on them) and while what they say my not be socilly acceptable, it does not make them any less "real".
Now if you wish to say that you find what Trump said unacceptable, then fine, but stop pretending that it is unheard of, stop pretending that sort of shit doesn't happen all the time What he said does not make him some sort of fucking predatory monster, he's just an entitled rich old sexist prick, nothing more and nothing less.



Edwird -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:37:51 AM)


By the same token, you seem to be implying that the males you come across at work are proper or accurate representation of the male species as a whole.



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:39:25 AM)

Nope, I never said any such thing



Edwird -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:39:42 AM)

~NM~



Greta75 -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:45:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
By the same token, you seem to be implying that the males you come across at work are proper or accurate representation of the male species as a whole.

She said no such things!

But seriously..., in my personal experience as a waitress and I always work in places where it cost easily at least 300bux for a meal for 2. So we are getting wealthier people dining there frequently.

And it's just so common, such talk and bragging. We get like business executives boy parties. They can drink from noon to midnight. Smoke their cigars. 20 men in business suits.

And the stuffs they talk about. Bragging about their conquest. Is not unlike Trump.

Just hear too much.

And from all different nationalities.

Maybe there are men in there who feel uncomfortable with the conversations, but there is peer pressure to fit in. And maybe they try to "stay in the crowd".



Edwird -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:46:38 AM)


Boy, if I considered all women as being judged from the worst of what I've heard from some of them ...

In any case, I don't.



Greta75 -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:48:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird
Boy, if I considered all women as being judged from the worst of what I've heard from some of them ...

In any case, I don't.

Point is, it is not an uncommon thing.
Infact, I think guys who don't do that are rarer than guys who do that!

I was arguing with my bestfriend about this. He said he was completely disgusted. But I told him, he himself when his with his buddies have probably said some pretty lewd things too and sexualised women! And his lame excuse was that, his not running for President!



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 10:49:28 AM)

Well I did not mean to imply that, sorry if you read it that way. My only point is that men do indeed talk that way, not all of them, but certainly some (and in my experience they are the majority, and I suspect I have actually spent more time around bunches of men than you have, what with that being my fucking job) and therefore it is stupid to claim that "men do not talk that way" when it is perfectly clear that at times they do.



PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:03:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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For me they're not 'real men',

So really you are no different from Awareness. He defines "real" men as those that agree with him, as do you.


Nup. You've missed the point. Awareness defined 'real men' as acting in a certain, particular way. Such men are a minority, in my experience. As far as I'm concerned a real man is a person who has a penis. I don't use the phrase 'real men' unless I'm using it ironically.
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So yes, real actual men do indeed say shit like Trump said (though most know better than to do so when they have a live mic on them) and while what they say my not be socilly acceptable, it does not make them any less "real".


I'll say it again: not in my experience - and I do have quite a lot of experience, not least on account of I'm male myself. Clearly, you have a different experience.
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Now if you wish to say that you find what Trump said unacceptable, then fine, but stop pretending that it is unheard of, stop pretending that sort of shit doesn't happen all the time What he said does not make him some sort of fucking predatory monster, he's just an entitled rich old sexist prick, nothing more and nothing less.


Straw man. I didn't say it was unheard of. In fact, I gave examples. This apart from the obvious point that of course such men exist, because there is Trump as a clear case of it. But I don't want one in the White House.



PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:04:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Edwird
Boy, if I considered all women as being judged from the worst of what I've heard from some of them ...

In any case, I don't.

Point is, it is not an uncommon thing.



It certainly is in my experience. Perhaps the difference between the UK and Singapore, or some other aspect of our milieus. I don't know.



Edwird -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:20:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Well I did not mean to imply that, sorry if you read it that way. My only point is that men do indeed talk that way, not all of them, but certainly some (and in my experience they are the majority, and I suspect I have actually spent more time around bunches of men than you have, what with that being my fucking job) and therefore it is stupid to claim that "men do not talk that way" when it is perfectly clear that at times they do.


Thanks for at least recognizing that I did not make any distorted claim as to what you actually said, only what I felt was the implication of your commentary.

Pleas note that I did not discredit your own experience, either.

What I said in response is not 'fact,' nor did I claim it as such. I was just saying that your own (valid) observation is not the entirety of the matter.

I worked in live shows for 25+ years, I now research and write reports (simple stuff, mostly) at home for investor folks, thank goodness I'm not in a cubicle beside them.

But I also have family (way too many!) and neighbors, too. Safe to say, there is some disparity between the people I met in live shows vs. what I came across at home or visiting sisters or friends or at the grocery or hardware store.








ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:29:00 AM)

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Straw man.

Nope, you claimed that men do not talk like that.
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In fact, I gave examples.

And thus disproved your own claim.

Look, the whole fucking thing is stupid, though if this is what it takes to have the US electorate wise up and reject him, then I will take it, though I will be a little disappointed at the same time.



Greta75 -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:33:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
But I also have family (way too many!) and neighbors, too. Safe to say, there is some disparity between the people I met in live shows vs. what I came across at home or visiting sisters or friends or at the grocery or hardware store.

To be fair, places like grocery or hardware store is not the usual places for back room locker talk.

Hanging out with a bunch of dudes at a pub. Maybe!

Also, depending on affluent of the guys. Because end of the day!

I always say this. When a man has every pussy hankering after him, the most beautiful women offering to fuck him, and despite open temptation at every turn and he is still able to remain faithful to his wife, is truly a faithful man.

There are many men who are also faithful for life, but because, they never get female attention.

I mean, to me, that's the test of real faithfulness.

So I think for example, an ordinary person, can never experience what it's like to be rock star and having women always trying to crash into your hotel room to grope you. And would he feel jaded by it, and say that, because of my status, I can grope any woman I want.





dcnovice -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:38:28 AM)

FR

Donald Trump may think that bragging about sexual assault is “locker room talk,” but professional athletes across the country beg to differ.

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LA Clippers coach and former NBA point guard Doc Rivers said that if Trump thinks his comments constitute locker room talk, “that’s a new locker room for me.”

Several other current and former sports stars weighed in to say that people don’t actually talk like Trump in locker rooms.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pro-athletes-trump-locker-room-talk_us_57fb8fb3e4b0b6a43033cd01?section=politics



dcnovice -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:43:39 AM)

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if this is what it takes to have the US electorate wise up and reject him, then I will take it, though I will be a little disappointed at the same time.

A friend compared it to reading the seventh Harry Potter book and saying, "You know, I think this Voldemort dude might be kind of a bad guy."



PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:43:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
Nope, you claimed that men do not talk like that.


Perhaps I wasn't clear. The men I know do not talk like that. 'Men as whole' - they don't talk like that. Also to reiterate, while they'll talk lewdly - as indeed have I - they won't talk in quite the predatory, sociopathic way that I see in Trump. And Savile, over here.

Re Savile: the UK is still reeling from what Jimmy Savile was really like. There was the added horror, of course, that he had paedophiliac interests ... but one of the most disgusting aspects of it all was his abuse of power. This is perhaps why *all* of the newspapers - left, right - expressed horror at Trumps 'pussy-grabbing'.

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In fact, I gave examples.

And thus disproved your own claim.


Eh? I just corrected you on that. Did you really think that I was asserting that no men, anywhere, are like Trump?

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Look, the whole fucking thing is stupid, though if this is what it takes to have the US electorate wise up and reject him, then I will take it, though I will be a little disappointed at the same time.



We're agreed on that. For me, his pussy-grabbing comment wasn't a great surprise. Part of what he is. It just underlined that, that's all. (Well, there's also the not-unimportant point that he *got caught* saying it - which no smart operator can afford to do.)




Edwird -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:45:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
But I also have family (way too many!) and neighbors, too. Safe to say, there is some disparity between the people I met in live shows vs. what I came across at home or visiting sisters or friends or at the grocery or hardware store.


To be fair, places like grocery or hardware store is not the usual places for back room locker talk.

Hanging out with a bunch of dudes at a pub. Maybe!



I can assure you, the backstage talk is every bit as 'revealing' as what one might hear working at bars. Keep in mind, some few of these folks make ten times more than the 'business folks' at bars.

I'm sure I've heard something as outright nasty as what the Donald said on some few occasions in that process, but neither his nor the other few sods' verbal flatulence is anything I would consider as being 'representative' of even that sector, much less the entire male species.





PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 11:50:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwirdx

I'm sure I've heard something as outright nasty as what the Donald said on some few occasions in that process, but neither his nor the other few sods' verbal flatulence is anything I would consider as being 'representative.'



Yep, that's about it. I'm glad an American - assuming you are one - said that, too. (I've been slightly expecting a 'Brits are different because they're pussies' comment for a while, now. [;)])



mnottertail -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/10/2016 12:04:20 PM)

Nobody is going to bring up your pussy, lime encrusted as it may be.



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