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One more silly little thread nobody will take seriously - 10/10/2016 7:58:23 AM   
Numerans


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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if this fits here, but heck why not.

Not like I can open up with people about this elsewhere anyway.

I get a huge rush and love the sensation and atmosphere in general from going to forbidden places or shoplifting or even attempting to smuggle things or bring things that are forbidden. Taking pictures of art while avoiding camera angles in museums, bringing sharp objects on planes, rolls of money etc.
Most of you here are probably once again too public with your identities to talk openly about this but is there any term for this?

Have you encountered others who do it? What do you feel about them?


I have very strict rules, I never take anything personal from anyone, I never damage the places I invade and I do not do this very often, I only shoplift from large conglomerates that can more or less cover their losses and never from any place local, I frown upon people shitting where they eat so to speak so taking things from where I work or study is also generally off bounds in terms of this.


I think the turnon is similar to but opposite in effect to voyerism as the fun is in staying hidden instead of being seen. I am also just enticed by the sensation of liberty which I feel is so lacking while being mesmerized and confused by peoples obedience and loyalty to arbitrary law but disloyalty to each other and how when social order breaks down terrible looting takes place which I would never want to partake in.

I haven't engaged in theft for quite some time though for various reasons but become more and more interested in trespassing, especially with all the tools that technology makes available today.


Associate freely.

I have yet to be caught :-)


If I found the right person I would love to fuck somewhere forbidden, just out of reach from the public eye. I am wayyyyy too shy about doing anything like that in public (again, voyerism) but being at the brink of it seems interesting enough to perhaps be attempted.

In relation to all of this. . . Sometimes I feel that my dark thoughts are and feelings are sinful and I wish I believed in god enough to ask for true forgiveness but as I peak through the veil of the personality of others around me I seem to notice more and more that they just mask theirs a bit better.


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:03:00 AM   
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I only shoplift from large conglomerates that can more or less cover their losses

You do realize that they "cover their losses" by raising the prices the rest of us pay, don't you?

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:08:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep. It's called being an adrenaline junkie.

You're getting your thrill from the rush. The boasting of "you've never been caught just adds to it.


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:17:11 AM   
Numerans


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Status: offline 		Adrenaline is fun. I love bunjy jumping and rollercoasters, I have a bit of a fright of heights so that adds to the excitement. Paradropping is next.

But I don't think that this has exclusively to do with adrenaline. The French term "libertine" is applicable but has too much of a connection with hedonism to really work for me as I don't indulge into things without thinking about their implications.

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You do realize that they "cover their losses" by raising the prices the rest of us pay, don't you?

If they do their prices become somewhat more comparable with your local private store, easing the great burden these little mom and pop stores are under and forcing these large ones to hire a bunch of security guards to spread the wealth around a bit. I almost see it as a civic duty. Though I don't do it in excess so my impact is very negligible. One could argue if this argument came first or came about as efforts to justify my actions but I hold it very firmly regardless of if it embodies the Egg or the Chicken.



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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:30:45 AM   
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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:34:37 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		But, you're not thinking of the implications. You've chosen not to.

When you steal, you steal from someone. Doesn't matter if you excuse it because it's some 'big conglomerate' or the local Mom and Pop store. You saying "oh, they can absorb it" doesn't change the matter.

Do you think about the implications? Did people make a few pennies less a year, get fewer medical benefits, etc related to the cost of people 'ripping off' the company?

Why don't you go to your local Wal-Mart and tell the cashier she makes less so you can have your fun?


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 8:41:37 AM   
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Yep. It's called being an adrenaline junkie.

You're getting your thrill from the rush. The boasting of "you've never been caught just adds to it.


It's more likely intellectual pretensions than thrill seeking, from the terms used in the OP: "Oh, I can get away with doing this because I'm so much smarter than the scum who are working there on minimum wage. That nobody's ever caught me proves it."

(Which does make it pretty funny that the OP hasn't thought of your other point, I suppose.)

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:05:16 AM   
Numerans


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Status: offline 		I don't think that at all. If I worked there I would not care. I have seen others shoplift. In fact I love giving them little winks when I catch them, having followed them around. They get all paranoid that I'll expose them!
It doesn't happen often but that thrill is even greater than shoplifting yourself.

I feel sympathy for the workers and think no ill towards them. They would have a perfectly reasonable profession had we outlawed these large mega stores and had they instead been apprentice shopkeepers, now instead they are stuck.
Besides have a certain degree of respect for your adversary is only healthy.

Would I still shoplift?

God, maybe I would take a little candy when nobody was looking but other than that, no. Had I been born in squalor and poverty perhaps things would have been different for different reasons.



I'll tell you the silliest little anecdote I haven't told anyone else. Not too long ago I was going to steal an item while shopping for other things (Never, ever shoplift without buying something else. Red Alert!). Once at the cashier everything was going smoothly but she was so open , friendly and helpful that if I could I would have tipped her. Instead, I blushed and said "Oh darned , I forgot this too!" . Just didn't feel right that time.


So no, I have nothing against these people at all. Don't throw your prejudices at me please ;-)


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Why don't you go to your local Wal-Mart and tell the cashier she makes less so you can have your fun?


Because that would be a terribly insensitive thing to do. But overall it is a zero sum game whether workers, consumer or stock holders take the hit and their earnings would be greater if Walmart shut down - the demand would still be there.



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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:13:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's called being a dick. If it's not yours, it's somebody else's, and if you take it, it's stealing. So what they can cover it, that's through insurance, but insurance is NOT a win, it's NOT a solution. You pay premiums to start, then somebody steals your car, you pay the deductible and the insurance pays the rest, then they raise your premium so you're paying for it anyway. Fuck you, keep your hands off my car. You go trespassing, there may be a reason they don't want people in there, like it's dangerous or there's potential for industrial espionage. Or it's just their place and they don't want you there. If I catch you in my backyard, I don't care if you're there for a thrill or to steal my lawnmower. Fuck you, stay out of my yard.

Stick with bungie jumping.

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:23:25 AM   
Numerans


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Status: offline 		So what about looting? As soon as the cops are gone people break into everything.

Demonstrations where people trash other peoples cars and their own communal property?

Wars, where people bomb other peoples buildings?

Exploitation, where people enslave other people?


...Oh these things all are bad? So you know no looters? No "revolutionaries"? No Soldiers? No capitalists? Heck you may own a stock in some firm in China that uses child labour through your pension fund.
I probably do myself. Ever driven drunk? Ever driven fast? I am just aware of my impact.

If I support the further increase of prices and lowering of some random walmart persons wages by shoplifting, do you support the kidnapping of strike-leaders by the Chiquita Banana conglomerate each time you buy a banana? Pfft.

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When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."




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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:37:50 AM   
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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:42:18 AM   
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◄ John 8:7 ►
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."


Honey, that doesn't make you Robin Hood.



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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:44:34 AM   
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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:44:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are a retarded asshole.
You are a head case that needs to seek counseling for your affliction.

Your escapades are costing everyone something in the long run.
Either the prices go up to cover the loss or the insurance goes up.

No matter how you cut the cake, everyone is paying for it.

I think you need to be caught and incarcerated. Seriously.


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:48:51 AM   
Numerans


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No, I know. I don't give it away. But it doesn't make the rest of you legalists saints. :-)
A part of this is "urban exploring" and it's pretty popular in Europe and Russia and it's even tolerated to a degree.
The sensation there, even if you go to some place that is being actively used in some capacity isn't the fear being caught. Just exploring and such.
Look at the amazing videos Russians have produced recently by climbing high towers or doing parkour or riding on trains. It is the embodiment of urban liberty. I love it, I'm nowhere near as brave or even fit as some of them.


Though we/they pay a price too. People die. Parents get sad, innocent people get scared...It's not perfect.

There is this Russian couple doing high rise climbs...Kissing 500 meters above ground with a whole world under their feet, ah the thrill.
And here in the BDSM community we speak about trust. Trusting that your partner will pull you up at that height as he holds your hand is real TRUST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uucTNSbhbYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdZRsEV4lI - So amazing.

You folks shouldn't be too judgmental.

And speaking of criminals and Robin Hoods. Here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mesrine



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Lol that made me giggly how off the charts wrong it is.

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 9:56:52 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Dude, you're not climbing Mt Everest. You are not brave. You are not courageous.

You are choosing to harm people, no matter how indirectly. Thinking you are doing it for a loftier purpose is just messed up.


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 10:01:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Numerans
Most of you here are probably once again too public with your identities to talk openly about this but is there any term for this?



Yup, you're probably an ethical sociopath. That is, somebody who wasn't born with the same impulse control and ingrained social adherence/obedience that most people have, but who has decided to impose some system of rules/ethics upon himself (which may or may not correlate to the system of rules society imposed and which other people naturally tend to follow) in order to make social integration more feasible.

Don't be thinking psychopath. Not ever sociopath has violent tendencies, and only a very small fraction of them ever commit violent crimes.
It's not that unusual to find relatively well adapted sociopaths, who give into their antisocial tendencies by having small kicks and thrill on the side. In fact, they're usually over represented in power positions such as CEOs, politicians, stockbrokers, etc.

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Have you encountered others who do it?


Yup, I know several.

You probably do too. An estimated 4% of the population is sociopathic, although as stated before, you'll find them in increased numbers in certain professions, with some studies indicating that their numbers might run as high at ~30% in power positions.
You just don't know that the ones who are like you are like you, because part of the 'survival tactics' they have is to -like you- be extremely well socially adapted on the surface, so that most who know them would never suspect.
It's not that hard to learn to recognize them once you know what to look for though.


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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 10:01:10 AM   
Numerans


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Status: offline 		@Lady Pact Well I am a bit messed up :) !

But aren't we all?

I like controversial topics. They show people in and out.

I don't do it for loftier purposes at all! I just think that it isn't that bad compared to what you do in your sleep so to speak :)

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 10:04:41 AM   
Numerans


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ORIGINAL: Numerans
Most of you here are probably once again too public with your identities to talk openly about this but is there any term for this?



Yup, you're probably an ethical sociopath. That is, somebody who wasn't born with the same impulse control and ingrained social adherence/obedience that most people have, but who has decided to impose some system of rules/ethics upon himself (which may or may not correlate to the system of rules society imposed and which other people naturally tend to follow) in order to make social integration more feasible.

Don't be thinking psychopath. Not ever sociopath has violent tendencies, and only a very small fraction of them ever commit violent crimes.
It's not that unusual to find relatively well adapted sociopaths, who give into their antisocial tendencies by having small kicks and thrill on the side. In fact, they're usually over represented in power positions such as CEOs, politicians, stockbrokers, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Numerans

Have you encountered others who do it?


Yup, I know several.

You probably do too. An estimated 4% of the population is sociopathic, although as stated before, you'll find them in increased numbers in certain professions, with some studies indicating that their numbers might run as high at ~30% in power positions.
You just don't know that the ones who are like you are like you, because part of the 'survival tactics' they have is to -like you- be extremely well socially adapted on the surface, so that most who know them would never suspect.
It's not that hard to learn to recognize them once you know what to look for though.




Now that's a tease.
I tend to hate sociopaths or manipulative personalities in general but I recognize that the disorder as defined by professionals includes traits that are about ignoring social order, being over confident, taking liberties and what not.

I've done a few tests, they don't tend to put me in that group. Never harmed any animals for example, always been tender to them instead. Tender to people weaker than me too. Would you be willing to have a chat privately if you're not just teasing ?

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RE: One more silly little thread nobody will take serio... - 10/10/2016 10:08:15 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Some of us more than others, dear.

If you were telling me that you had to steal in order to eat, I wouldn't have said a word.

You're stealing to get your bits tingly? I'm not going to see it the same.


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