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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 10:46:33 AM   
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Being a gentleman requires a bit more.


True. It requires being British.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 11:06:14 AM   
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Being a gentleman requires a bit more.


True. It requires being British.


Being british requires overcooked food,polite cops and a stiff upper lip.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 11:07:25 AM   
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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 11:28:23 AM   
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Has our food got a rep for being overcooked? I didn't know that.

That is becuse you are british.

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and it's all organised by the Italians!!


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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 11:40:29 AM   
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I think I've seen that somewhere before. The one I remember had something about, in Hell, the comedians being German, though, I think.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 4:33:48 PM   
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This is not a woman and a man. These are children, with hormones rushing through their bodies. If it were two girls or two boys, there would still be uproar.


Sorry if you're a bit slow to understand this.

You see what's discussed in the link in the OP, it's partly about teaching boys (kids) about not being violent.

Feminists/leftists are defending this. Yet, when this example is shown of a girl thinking its okay to hit a boy because he may have did or said something wrong, you lot hand wave it off as they are just kids, while at the same time, defending a program aimed at boys as discussed in the article in the OP.

Gotta larf!

You lot are in total denial of the other half of the problem simply because you don't give a fuck about men.

You lot seem to think a woman can lay into a man and he is supposed to just take it and do nothing.

She started laying slaps/punches into him IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE AND HARD FASHION She was basically leaning into him and without his force he would have fell over by her force. He had no choice but to throw her to the ground to stop himself getting hit and tackled. What he did was perfectly acceptable in my point of view.

Now, just think for a moment, if that woman happened to be a man doing it to another man, would you lot still be acting the same? FUCK NO! But I thought you were about equality?

If it was the other way around, the guy started laying into the woman in the same fashion, the woman slams him to the ground. Would you lot be sympathizing the male? FUCK NO! He would be an evil woman basher that got what he deserved. But I thought you were about equality?

When the woman is hurt in a DV situation, sympathy all around. When a man is hurt in a DV situation, he probably deserved it or he gets laughed at.

Really and truly, feminists who are supposed to be about equality, just simply don't care about this extremely sexist and bigoted double standard. In fact, feminists promote this extreme sexist and bigoted double standard.

What's also laughable is how we see in another recent thread here, feminists arguing that gender is a social construct, not biology. Yet, they all the sudden want men and women to be treated different when it suits them...as for when it comes to DV.

Make up your bloody mind. Feminists also need to make up their mind if they want equality or not. As it seems, they only want women to be considered in domestic violence, even their pets, while men just get left in the dark. This is equality to a loony feminist.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/20/2016 4:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		In that video, if it was the other way around, people wouldn't have went apeshit when it all went down, instead, they would have been cheering.

Male aggressor got what he deserved. That would be the news headlines.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/21/2016 3:37:14 AM   
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This is not a woman and a man. These are children, with hormones rushing through their bodies. If it were two girls or two boys, there would still be uproar.


Sorry if you're a bit slow to understand this.

You see what's discussed in the link in the OP, it's partly about teaching boys (kids) about not being violent.

Feminists/leftists are defending this. Yet, when this example is shown of a girl thinking its okay to hit a boy because he may have did or said something wrong, you lot hand wave it off as they are just kids, while at the same time, defending a program aimed at boys as discussed in the article in the OP.


1. You said:

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This is what happens when nobody bothers to teach women that slapping isn't the proper course of action to take when you're angry with a man.


So, I was simply pointing out that you are mixing the two up.

2. My reasoning went way beyond the age to the other points show in the video and made IN THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED.

No one was charged.

Dude. You're really reaching.

There are real examples of men getting the short end of the stick. This is not one of them.

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You lot seem to think a woman can lay into a man and he is supposed to just take it and do nothing.


Ummm. And you're calling me slow?

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She was wrong.


Can I be more clear?

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She started laying slaps/punches into him IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE AND HARD FASHION She was basically leaning into him and without his force he would have fell over by her force. He had no choice but to throw her to the ground to stop himself getting hit and tackled. What he did was perfectly acceptable in my point of view.

Now, just think for a moment, if that woman happened to be a man doing it to another man, would you lot still be acting the same? FUCK NO! But I thought you were about equality?


Uh. Yes. Like I said:

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If it were two girls or two boys, there would still be uproar.

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This would all be true if the sexes were reversed or same-sex fighting.


Your comprehension is crap. Twisting things to your POV is just that. I use my words exactly as I mean them.


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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 3:59:39 AM   
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In that video, if it was the other way around, people wouldn't have went apeshit when it all went down, instead, they would have been cheering.

Male aggressor got what he deserved. That would be the news headlines.



Oh gee, really.

I have some sympathy with the lad (because that's what he is - a young lad). The girl had a real go at him and rather than walking away or grabbing both her hands and taking her down gently, which he could have done quite easily, he did something he knew how to do and threw her with force to the ground, something it took him a couple of attempts to do because he had to position his hip correctly. Whether it was vindictive or he just wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible is not obvious.

Let's be clear.

The girl's initial violent response to him was wrong. Once you start the violence you are not in control of how it ends. So she was wrong both morally and in terms of being sensible. His reaction by taking her down in that way was disproportionate given how unlikely he was to be seriously hurt. However they were both young and expecting him to react with the maturity of much older man would be unfair.

There is no feminist or anti-feminist issue here.

You are creating straw men and then accusing everyone else of thinking a certain way.

For the fortieth time on this thread, nobody here is condoning violence by either sex, no matter how hard you try to slant the world to see it.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 5:31:49 AM   
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She was charging at him and leaning into him for fucks sake. Look again at the bloody video. There is no way that a soft response would have saved this male from getting hurt. Gently grabbing someone when they are fully charging at you in the fashion to knock you down, is going to make your situation a lot worse. The only solution is to use as much force as the other person is using to resolve the issue.

I can bet my bottom dollar that if it was the other way around you and the others in here would not have any sympathy at all for the aggressor that gets knocked down. He would be an evi woman basher that got what he deserved.

We all know that this mindset is very common. Just look at the social experiment videos I provided.


You just don't want to admit it.

Just like how you and others dont want to admit that it is a real and legitimate problem that females are raised to believe its okay to hit men if they say or do something they don't like . This is what caused the girl to attack the boy in this video. She thought that she was entitled.

But of course you dont want to acknowledge this problem because its not a female issue.

That was the whole point of me sharing that last video but you and others simply try to side step the real issue and make out that its irrelevant when its not.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 5:52:11 AM   
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A voice crying in the wilderness I hear you say. A prophet unrecognised in his own land. It must be the case that you are a visionary who sees further and faster than any one else, or that you are a fool who can't see what appears to be obvious to the rest of the world [except your sometime buddy Awareness(sic)]. As there is some doubt about whether Awareness' ego allows him to see any further than his nose, I'm sure you'll understand why I am a tad reluctant to call him a visionary like you.

Now which do you think is the most likely explanation?

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 6:00:16 AM   
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The girl in the video comes across as a violent aggressive trouble-maker. I hope that she can tone it down as she gets older because she is likely to end up in court for assault if she doesn't.

Furthermore if she thought that she was going to get away with assaulting a guy who she is disagreed with, because he would be too much of a gentleman to hit her back, she certainly found out otherwise, because she came off much the worst in their encounter.

What I see is a girl who learned a very hard lesson about throwing her hands about, and a bloke who reacted quite strongly to that in an equally hot headed way.

We've all seen a man lose his cool and then come off worse in the subsequent fight. That's what happened to this girl. Bad move. It would have been no different if it had been two females or two males.

She lost it and had a go with her hands.

The fact that you are so obsessed with the thought that she did it because she felt entitled, says more about you than it does about the clip.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 6:25:30 AM   
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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 6:55:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not that old video again. It certainly contains sound advice.

Some women do indeed feel that them slapping a man is less serious than the other way round. I've had it explained to me as "we can't really hurt a man", which is obviously not true.

The problem is your seeing this as part of a global feminist conspiracy which is undermining your life, and the way that you use videos like this to deflect attention away from male violence.

You constantly use the fact that female violence exists to play down the role of male violence. I have seen nobody in these threads deny the existence of female violence or being an apologist for female violence in any way. The only denial I see is your denial of the nature of male violence.

If you have suffered domestic violence at the hands of a woman I would hope that you would be sensible enough to seek support from your local social services. Overcoming the potential embarrassment some men feel might be difficult but services do exist to help men in this situation.

The services to support women are of a larger scale because the violence and the harm is not 50:50.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 8:10:42 AM   
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The problem is your seeing this as part of a global feminist conspiracy which is undermining your life, and the way that you use videos like this to deflect attention away from male violence.


Feel free to quote where I am claiming that the reason for this is because of a feminist conspiracy. Wrong! I will point out again though that feminists don't care about such issues because it's simply a male issue. Get with the program! It's only trendy and not anti social to talk about women's problems.

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You constantly use the fact that female violence exists to play down the role of male violence.


No, I don't at all. I'm mentioning female violence in this thread for the exact reason of what you are accusing me off. As expressed in the OP, as this course only tells one side of the story, it downplays the other side of the story.

How many people realise this double standard?

When any female problem is mentioned first and then someone responds that it happens the other way around too, it's deemed as inappropriate.

But it's all the sudden not inappropriate if any male problem was mentioned first and someone responds with an equivalent for females.

Anyway, it's funny how you are accusing me for the exact thing that feminists and this course is doing. They both leave the other side of the story in the dark which is pretty much downplaying the other side of the story as you deem it less worthy of consideration.

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The only denial I see is your denial of the nature of male violence.


Really? Where? Show us all.

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The services to support women are of a larger scale because the violence and the harm is not 50:50.


And there you go, you are downplaying male violence while claiming/criticising me for doing the exact thing!

What gives you/women/feminists a free pass to do it to men but how dare anyone do it to women?

Has it ever crossed your mind that males are human too? They have feelings too. They feel hurt and pain too? Did you know that males aren't immune to female punches and kicks? Not to mention, females are more likely to use a weapon which does more damage compared to a fist. Women are also more likely to harm or kill in other ways such as poison their victim.

But anyway, just because "apparently" there are more female victims than males, which is questionable, a male's life is less worthy when it comes to being a victim. It makes me really wonder where people find the logic in that. It isn't any more stupid to say that blacks deserve less consideration as there are less of them.

The fact of the matter is that female on male violence isn't a rare thing. It isn't a small number. This is why such studies I provided exist. The studies I provided may not be accurate, however, it's telling that female on male violence isn't something minor. Therefore, regardless if there really are more female victims than males, why still leave male victims in the dark?

I know "why"...sexism and bigotry.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 9:54:55 AM   
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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/10/18/viral-video-of-violent-teen-fight-raises-concerns-in-vallejo/


This is what happens when nobody bothers to teach women that slapping isn't the proper course of action to take when you're angry with a man. What is the poor bugger supposed to do? Just take it and hope no teeth get knocked out?

But oh no, an evil patriarchy demon made him defend himself!


1. This is not a woman and a man. These are children, with hormones rushing through their bodies. If it were two girls or two boys, there would still be uproar.
No there wouldn't. Youtube is replete with videos of same gender violence and nobody says a damn thing.

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3. There is a concept of necessary force. She was wrong. He was wrong for doing exactly what it took to get her to stop (take her to the ground), then leave. Or, he could have tried to turn and leave even prior to that. To engage with another girl to try to get back to the first and continue hurting her while she was on the ground is wrong behavior.
No. It is not. You're excusing female aggression. He was quite within his rights to take whatever steps were necessary and if she didn't want to get hurt THEN SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE STARTED A FIGHT WITH SOMEONE BIGGER THAN SHE IS.

Men understand this. It's about time women stopped thinking they have a pussy pass to be aggressive.


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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 9:56:57 AM   
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If your [RM's] masculinity was that much of a certainty it wouldn't bother you


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Ain't that the truth!


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God yes. Not entirely relevant, but feck it: To me, it's like so many ideas of 'masculinity' are huge edifices, like tower blocks, built on swamps. Loads of ideas of fighting, guns, muscles, competition, suppressing feelings, suppressing all empathy in fact, all piled up on top of one another. The higher the edifice is built, the more likely it is to collapse. So, you eventually ... stress, heart failure and death, ordinarily. You have to clear that crap away, drain the swamp on which it's built, and a build a structure of just one idea: that you don't have to strive at being a man, because you already are one.

So many words... so little understanding.


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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 10:01:33 AM   
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She was charging at him and leaning into him for fucks sake. Look again at the bloody video. There is no way that a soft response would have saved this male from getting hurt. Gently grabbing someone when they are fully charging at you in the fashion to knock you down, is going to make your situation a lot worse. The only solution is to use as much force as the other person is using to resolve the issue.


Eh? Her charging wouldn't have done more than produce a bruise. RM, have you ever played rugby? That was nothing. God, my nieces do that all the time, and they're not much smaller than she is.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 10:01:46 AM   
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And there you go, you are downplaying male violence while claiming/criticising me for doing the exact thing!



I think you misread what I wrote.

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RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive ... - 10/24/2016 10:16:25 AM   
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No. It is not. You're excusing female aggression. He was quite within his rights to take whatever steps were necessary

Perhaps it has to do with your concept of necessary. Does that mean that if you raise your hand to strike another and they would be justified to cut your arm off at the shoulder??? Or perhaps shoot you in the head???? Is that the point you are trying to make?





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