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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 7:35:02 AM   
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Where did i point out that i think my way is the best way exactly?

Actually, in almost every post you make dear. You may not see it, but it is there.


I don't think so. I would think that what is best for me probably isn't best at all for most people. Maybe it just sounds best to you.



Omg, back peddle much? If you didn't think your way was the best way you wouldn't have felt the need to call out male subs and female Dommes. You wouldn't have used condescending language when referring to male subs. Nobody, not even you, uses condescension unless they think they know better. Stop playing dumb

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 7:44:31 AM   
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Who knows for sure. I guess the most obvious is that we have to open up to receive. : )


So do guys.


We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that.


So what about women who can't have children, or women past child bearing, or protected/anal/safe sex, fertility treatments? I'm really confused why you think peen in vag sex to make da bebbies is all there is to life. Especially when any bdsm activities you yourself are involved in likely don't have the end goal of making babies.
Do you even have kids?


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 7:46:54 AM   
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It's not hard to understand that there are people without a sense of self who gravitate toward cult leaders. It's simply that it's unhealthy as fuck.

So what happens when your cult leader gets hit by a bus? You need reprogramming and if you don't get it, you wind up being picked up by the next self proclaimed master/abuser. Or living on the street which I would find the better option.

You cannot simultaneously be self aware, capable of good judgment in choosing a partner and at the same time be an empty vessel unable to eat dinner without being ordered to.


*Slow clap*


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:17:55 AM   
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then the society will descend into Bacchanalian anarchy

Sounds good to me.
Societies without laws are where the strong enforce their will upon the weak. Are you happy to become a possession?


Oh dear, you don't even understand your own simile. A Baccchanlian anarchy does not imply a society without laws. But really, thanks for trying.
They're words. They have meanings. If you don't understand them, that's entirely your own problem.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:18:32 AM   
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Where did i point out that i think my way is the best way exactly?

Actually, in almost every post you make dear. You may not see it, but it is there.


I don't think so. I would think that what is best for me probably isn't best at all for most people. Maybe it just sounds best to you.



Omg, back peddle much? If you didn't think your way was the best way you wouldn't have felt the need to call out male subs and female Dommes. You wouldn't have used condescending language when referring to male subs. Nobody, not even you, uses condescension unless they think they know better. Stop playing dumb



Maybe i called them out because i don't think it's a good thing. Get it?

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:23:29 AM   
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Who knows for sure. I guess the most obvious is that we have to open up to receive. : )


So do guys.


We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that.


So what about women who can't have children, or women past child bearing, or protected/anal/safe sex, fertility treatments? I'm really confused why you think peen in vag sex to make da bebbies is all there is to life. Especially when any bdsm activities you yourself are involved in likely don't have the end goal of making babies.
Do you even have kids?




He asked about what about a women's biology makes her thrive as a submissive. I answered him with the fact that a women's biology waa designed to receive (no matter what position your in) in order to fulfill the biological function she was designed for.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:30:55 AM   
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So what about women who can't have children, or women past child bearing, or protected/anal/safe sex, fertility treatments? I'm really confused why you think peen in vag sex to make da bebbies is all there is to life. Especially when any bdsm activities you yourself are involved in likely don't have the end goal of making babies.
Do you even have kids?


Yeah, pretty much.

I kind of saw it coming, but as soon as reproduction enters the argument it signals the point in the argument where either the tamakas of the world need to take something back or we start having ridiculous arguments about whether or not all non-reproductive sex is unnatural and homosexuals are on the same level as child molesters, etc. On a kink forum no less!

That kind of judgmental attitude isn't going to fly because it's the same attitude that GLBTQ people have been fighting since at least the 1960s, with proponents more often than not applying it to any relationship that isn't 100% heterosexual vanilla. It shouldn't be surprising that it has touched a nerve here... sort of like a KKK member at a Black Panther rally. Seriously-- puritans on a kink forum?

I haven't been through the whole thread, but if tamaka just doesn't find passive gay partners or submissive males attractive then fine-- you can't force someone to find someone else attractive, or even to understand exactly why someone else might find that person attractive. Attraction isn't something that can easily be explained, that is completely understood by all, or is inherently rational. So the 'natural' arguments always fall apart the second someone tries to generalize it to the whole of society or the whole of the human race.

People are diverse and you can't just assume they don't know themselves as well as you know yourself or whatever metric it is you're using to figure everyone out. I can't even begin to imagine just how boring the world would be if there was a 'right' way to conduct a relationship and everybody was forced to conform... and it would be even worse if we had some scientist telling us who we're supposed to be attracted to.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:31:25 AM   
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It's not hard to understand that there are people without a sense of self who gravitate toward cult leaders. It's simply that it's unhealthy as fuck.

So what happens when your cult leader gets hit by a bus? You need reprogramming and if you don't get it, you wind up being picked up by the next self proclaimed master/abuser. Or living on the street which I would find the better option.

You cannot simultaneously be self aware, capable of good judgment in choosing a partner and at the same time be an empty vessel unable to eat dinner without being ordered to.


Luckily being hungry might make one eat without being ordered to.

It might take you a long time to realize that you are an empty vessel but that self awareness can eventually come to light. Regarding good judgement in picking a partner... you're right. Which is why a slave's happpiness much depends on whether a good 'partner' picked her.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:35:49 AM   
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He asked about what about a women's biology makes her thrive as a submissive. I answered him with the fact that a women's biology waa designed to receive (no matter what position your in) in order to fulfill the biological function she was designed for.


And this is how we get to the whole 'gay sex is harmful to the bottom' line of reasoning.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:36:10 AM   
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So what about women who can't have children, or women past child bearing, or protected/anal/safe sex, fertility treatments? I'm really confused why you think peen in vag sex to make da bebbies is all there is to life. Especially when any bdsm activities you yourself are involved in likely don't have the end goal of making babies.
Do you even have kids?


Yeah, pretty much.

I kind of saw it coming, but as soon as reproduction enters the argument it signals the point in the argument where either the tamakas of the world need to take something back or we start having ridiculous arguments about whether or not all non-reproductive sex is unnatural and homosexuals are on the same level as child molesters, etc. On a kink forum no less!

That kind of judgmental attitude isn't going to fly...


I love how basic facts become judgmental attitudes. You asked a specific question and you didn't like the honest, obvious answer. A man can fuck my ass all day and it isn't going to make a baby. Women's bodies were designed to conceive. Men's weren't.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:38:25 AM   
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He asked about what about a women's biology makes her thrive as a submissive. I answered him with the fact that a women's biology waa designed to receive (no matter what position your in) in order to fulfill the biological function she was designed for.

And this is how we get to the whole 'gay sex is harmful to the bottom' line of reasoning.




I don't know what you're talking about here... sorry.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:48:20 AM   
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So what about women who can't have children, or women past child bearing, or protected/anal/safe sex, fertility treatments? I'm really confused why you think peen in vag sex to make da bebbies is all there is to life. Especially when any bdsm activities you yourself are involved in likely don't have the end goal of making babies.
Do you even have kids?


Yeah, pretty much.

I kind of saw it coming, but as soon as reproduction enters the argument it signals the point in the argument where either the tamakas of the world need to take something back or we start having ridiculous arguments about whether or not all non-reproductive sex is unnatural and homosexuals are on the same level as child molesters, etc. On a kink forum no less!

That kind of judgmental attitude isn't going to fly...


I love how basic facts become judgmental attitudes. You asked a specific question and you didn't like the honest, obvious answer. A man can fuck my ass all day and it isn't going to make a baby. Women's bodies were designed to conceive. Men's weren't.

There's an inherent resistance in here to the concept that human beings are gendered in any way. I put it down to a fundamental inability to deal with reality. Ideas of gender as a social construction are generally championed by the less successful and the androgynous - primarily because they're failures along the various masculinity/femininity axes.

It's kind of like losing the game then pretending it doesn't exist. In many ways it's probably a self-delusional survival tactic - their brains protecting them from the pain of reality... however I think that, in the end, the price they pay won't be worth it.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 8:51:35 AM   
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I love how basic facts become judgmental attitudes. You asked a specific question and you didn't like the honest, obvious answer. A man can fuck my ass all day and it isn't going to make a baby. Women's bodies were designed to conceive. Men's weren't.


Yes, and if you were just stating this fact without tying it to an argument about what is 'natural' or 'right' within D/S relationships then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

But you are using this fact to 'prove' that male submission is somehow 'less' than female submission, and it also implies that somehow a male who bottoms is less of a bottom than a woman who bottoms because he isn't 'made' to receive... or that by doing so, the man somehow ruins his own potential.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:05:54 AM   
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Women's bodies were designed to conceive.



Mine wasn't.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:11:06 AM   
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There's an inherent resistance in here to the concept that human beings are gendered in any way. I put it down to a fundamental inability to deal with reality. Ideas of gender as a social construction are generally championed by the less successful and the androgynous - primarily because they're failures along the various masculinity/femininity axes.

It's kind of like losing the game then pretending it doesn't exist. In many ways it's probably a self-delusional survival tactic - their brains protecting them from the pain of reality... however I think that, in the end, the price they pay won't be worth it.


I get that you're most comfortable making the same point on your own terms over and over, but it's really not helping us make any breakthroughs. I'm sure that responding to you at all is just going to set off another rant against your own muddled sense of the 'social construct' thing, but I really don't think that anyone on this forum envies or even really respects you, even if you do get laid. Believe it or not, a lot of people would rather get laid with one person that they love over and over instead of having meaningless encounters that only last as long as you can pretend to be someone with which anyone would ever want to spend more than a night or two.

Given how unpleasant you are and how determined you are to repeat the same banal shit over and over, I also refuse to believe that you are happy with yourself on any level... so why exactly should I listen to you when you claim you've got it all figured out?

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:11:30 AM   
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Women's bodies were designed to conceive.



Mine wasn't.

So you're trans? Well that explains a lot.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:17:29 AM   
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I get that you're most comfortable making the same point on your own terms over and over, but it's really not helping us make any breakthroughs.
Don't be stupid. You're not interested in breakthroughs, your only desire is the reinforcement of the prevailing orthodoxy in this place. No variant thoughts may exist. Honestly, the parallels to the doctrine of the Party are truly astonishing.

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I'm sure that responding to you at all is just going to set off another rant against your own muddled sense of the 'social construct' thing, but I really don't think that anyone on this forum envies or even really respects you, even if you do get laid. Believe it or not, a lot of people would rather get laid with one person that they love over and over instead of having meaningless encounters that only last as long as you can pretend to be someone with which anyone would ever want to spend more than a night or two.
I can understand the envy, but men like yourself without options are desperate fuckers who'll shack up with the first woman who'll have them. Getting laid means you have options and your standards are higher.

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Given how unpleasant you are and how determined you are to repeat the same banal shit over and over, I also refuse to believe that you are happy with yourself on any level... so why exactly should I listen to you when you claim you've got it all figured out?
What you believe is of absolutely no concern to me. Your delusional ideas are your own problem. Your desire to play white knight and protect people from thoughts which may offend them is truly sophomoric. Grow the fuck up.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:21:22 AM   
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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:23:34 AM   
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A body might have been designed evolutionarily to conceive children. However things like medication (Google DES babies), infertility, or surgical removal of reproductive body parts makes conception difficult or impossible.
Yes, but those are later events which don't impact the "designed" criteria. To say your body wasn't designed for reproduction implies either significant genetic damage or simply never having a womb in the first place.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 9:23:57 AM   
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He asked about what about a women's biology makes her thrive as a submissive. I answered him with the fact that a women's biology waa designed to receive (no matter what position your in) in order to fulfill the biological function she was designed for.

What has babies, or being able to have one, got to do being submissive??
That's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard for a long time.

One has no bearing on the other.
Why do I say that??
Because one is a mindset, the other is purely a physical ability.
....and they don't always meet.


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