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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 8:43:39 AM   
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You're making shit up again. I never said it was any kind of "excuse," nor did I imply any such thing. I just think that people who play the blame-game should include all the guilty parties, which is probably why you trimmed this part of my post:

while two wrongs don't make a right, they do make two wrongs

I trim for the sake of brevity only. Pointing to slavery in Islam or Africa is just a well worn distraction.

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Quote me making "excuses" and blaming "someone else" for the "mass incarceration for petty marijuana possession."

You would be lying if you denied you haven't blamed black crime on their culture or on their fatherless family structure.

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Back to the old "white evil" again, eh? Well I hate to have to break this to you, but there is nothing noble about promoting race-based hatred.

Tell that to Trump.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 8:48:14 AM   
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In the Americas the slaves had a family life and children.

Families were splintered and progeny were sold at auction in the South.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 9:04:45 AM   
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Quote me making "excuses" and blaming "someone else" for the "mass incarceration for petty marijuana possession."

You would be lying if you denied you haven't blamed black crime on their culture or on their fatherless family structure.

You're the one who thinks in terms of "blame".

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Back to the old "white evil" again, eh? Well I hate to have to break this to you, but there is nothing noble about promoting race-based hatred.

Tell that to Trump.

Pointing to Trump is a well worn distraction.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 9:35:23 AM   
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Interesting article:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 11:45:37 AM   
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Interesting article:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html

Terrific article, tamaka, thanks . .

Call it racial jujitsu: A growing number of white Americans are acting like a racially oppressed majority. They are adopting the language and protest tactics of an embattled minority group, scholars and commentators say.

Wise says the recession hit blue-collar, white Americans hard, financially and psychologically.

Many white Americans have lived under the assumption that if they worked hard, they would be rewarded. Now more white Americans are sharing unemployment lines with "those people" -- black and brown, Wise says.

"For the first time since the Great Depression, white Americans have been confronted with a level of economic insecurity that we're not used to," he says. "It's not so new for black and brown folks, but for white folks, this is something we haven't seen since the Depression."

This racial unease is more pronounced among older white Americans, who grew up in an era where America's icons were virtually all white, Wise says.

"We are often offended if someone calls attention to our race as shaping how we view the world," says Wray, author of "Not Quite White." "We don't like to be pigeon-holed that way. Non-white Americans are seldom afforded this luxury of seeing themselves as individuals, disconnected from any race."

Still, Wray says anxiety among whites over their place in America is nothing new. Some 19th century whites worried about slave revolts. During segregation. some worried about blacks they labeled as "uppity Negroes."

"Like it or not, the country is going to look more like it should -- more brown folks, more yellow folks, more gay folks, more mixed folks," he says.



Some choice excerpts with lots of SNIPS.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 1:15:21 PM   
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*ahem* Courtesy of Karen Straughan, here is the female privilege list. It's not necessarily comprehensive, although I do believe it covers the main bases.

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Women are requested to consider whether they can answer "yes" to these questions:


1) People are likely to assume I am a warm and empathetic person.


2) People are likely to assist me when I must perform a physically arduous task.


3) If my car breaks down or I am otherwise in distress, people will be more likely to stop and help me.


4) If I am being physically assaulted, no matter the gender of my assailant, it is more likely that passersby will intervene.


5) People are likely to assume I am a competent parent, unless and until I prove otherwise.


6) People are more likely to respect my right to be offended by inappropriate or impolite behavior.


7) If I yell, people are not likely to believe I am going to hurt them.


8) Dress codes in the workplace and in leisure contexts are more likely to allow me to choose clothing that emphasize my most attractive features and minimize those I am unhappy with.


9) I am allowed by society to wear make-up to make myself more attractive without anyone questioning my sexual orientation. I am given a large social leeway in the kinds of hairstyles I can choose that will flatter my facial features.


10) If I work in a profession that is dominated by the opposite gender, people are likely to see it as "heroic", or a sign of social progress, rather than that I am deficient in some way.


11) If I show weakness, the first response of most people will be to console or help me, not criticize me, ignore me, or dismiss me as pathetic.


12) I am not expected to make the "first move" when meeting members of the opposite sex for the purposes of dating.


13) Members of the opposite gender are expected to make the first move; therefore, it is less likely I will be sexually rejected by those I come into close contact with in a dating context.


14) I am not expected to spend a significant portion of my yearly income on a token that accompanies a marriage proposal.


15) I am less likely to be expected to spend a significant amount of money on gifts, tokens, and activities during courtship and dating.


16) If I am having dinner with a member of the opposite gender in a dating context, and I do not reach for the check, people are unlikely to assume I am cheap.


17) If I am having dinner with a member of the opposite gender in a non-dating context, and I do not reach for the check, people are still unlikely to assume I am cheap.


18) If I earn less than my partner, no one will look at me funny.


19) If I earn nothing and my partner supports me, no one will look at me funny.


20) If I am unemployed and my partner is supporting me, people other than my partner are unlikely to pressure me because I am "not trying hard enough" to find employment.


21) If I earn less than my partner, people are unlikely to expect me to contribute equally to our living expenses.


22) If I am skilled in activities/hobbies that are commonly attributed to the opposite gender (kick boxing, operating power tools, shingling a roof, knitting, scrap-booking, floral arranging), people will see me as admirable. No one is likely to think I am a weirdo or wonder if I'm gay.


23) If I am completing a task with a member of the opposite gender, it will be expected that they take the greater physical burden--such as carrying the heavier boxes.


24) If I cry or am hurt, men and women are unlikely to tell me to "suck it up".


25) If I choose to stay at home with my children while my partner works, people are unlikely to think I am a deadbeat, unskilled, or shirking my responsibility to my family.


26) If I choose discontinue, temporarily leave, or reduce my participation in a high-status career in order to spend time at home caring for children, people are likely to consider it a "noble sacrifice" rather than a waste of my talents.


27) If I work and have a family, my employer will be less likely to require me to work overtime or bring work home with me. This will be the case even if I equally share domestic duties with my partner, or have outside domestic help (housekeeper, nanny).


28) If an employer claims to have "non-sexist" hiring policies, I can assume this to mean that members of my gender will be more likely to be hired, rather than less.


29) If I choose a career in early childhood or elementary level education, or volunteer to work with youth, no one will wonder if it's because I am a pedophile. They will trust me, even if they are aware that members of my own gender can and sometimes do use these positions to facilitate their sexual abuse of children.


30) If I commit a crime against children, even before details come out, people are likely to want to believe I have been falsely accused, was "failed by the system", or was somehow "driven to it" by factors outside my control (such as mental illness, poverty, lack of social services, childhood abuse), because members of my gender "just don't do stuff like that". It is unlikely they will automatically attribute my actions to unprovoked aggression or hold me entirely responsible for them.


31) If I am a victim of domestic violence, there are many services in my community that will help people of my gender. It is unlikely I will be denied services based on my gender.


32) If my partner physically abuses me, I will be believed by the authorities. Their belief will not depend on whether I have physical signs of injury.


33) If I physically abuse my partner, people--including the authorities and victim's services personnel--are likely to assume it was in self defence. Even if I tell them I hit first and my partner is non-violent, they are likely to wonder if my partner did something to instigate the assault, like cheating on me, yelling at me, or otherwise provoking me to lose control.


34) If I physically abuse my partner, and they reciprocate, they are as likely or more likely to be the one arrested as I am, even if my partner's reciprocation was in self-defence.


35) If my partner physically abuses me, and I reciprocate--even if I admit my reciprocation was not in self-defence but out of anger--it is unlikely that I will be arrested.


36) If I am divorced, and my ex-partner earns more than I do, it is more likely I will be awarded spousal support, even if am employed and self-supporting, than if our positions were reversed.


37) If I am divorced, the default assumption in the family court system is that I will have primary custody of my children. This will be the case, even if my ex-partner and I shared breadwinning and childcare duties roughly equally during the marriage.


38) If my ex-partner sues me for custody, they are unlikely to be as successful as I would be were our positions reversed. The burden will be on them to prove I am an unfit parent, rather than that they are more fit, before this likelihood tips in their favor.


39) If I am divorced, I will in almost every case be awarded child support. If my ex-partner does not abide by the terms of the custody/child support order, they will face legal consequences as serious as a prison sentence. They will face these consequences even if their reason for not paying is that their financial situation has changed since the marriage. They will face these consequences even if I do not fulfill my own legal obligations spelled out in the custody order to permit or facilitate their access to my children--my right to distance myself from my ex-partner is likely to take precedence over my children's right to involvement with their non-custodial parent.


40) If I am divorced and my partner is awarded primary custody of my children, I will only rarely be required to pay child support, even if I can afford it. If I am required to pay child support and I do not, for whatever reason, it is unlikely that I will face any legal consequences.


41) If I abuse the legal process during my divorce by obtaining a fraudulent temporary restraining order, misrepresenting my financial status, hiding assets, or otherwise perjuring myself, it is very unlikely I will be charged with a crime. In fact, my abuse of the legal process--even after it has been discovered by the court--is likely to benefit me in matters such as custody. Moreover, "the good of the children" will be treated as a reason to not penalize me monetarily--such as by reducing my share of joint assets.


42) If my ex-partner abuses the legal process in the above ways, they are more likely to be penalized criminally by being charged, or monetarily through reduction of their share of our joint assets.


43) If I have consensual sex with my partner and we are both underage, and a charge of statutory rape is filed, I will never be the one charged. This will be the case even if I pressured my partner to have sex and they objected.


44) If I am raped by a member of the opposite gender, and I am not below the age of consent, no one will tell me such a crime does not exist.


45) If I am raped by a member of the opposite gender, knowledgeable members of the medical and criminal justice communities are unlikely to consider my body's involuntary and automatic responses to sexual stimuli as "proof" that I gave consent.


46) If I am the victim of a statutory rape committed by a member of the opposite gender, and it results in a pregnancy, I will have a choice as to what my parental responsibilities to that child will be. I will not be legally required to be financially responsible for a child that results if I have been raped by an adult.



So in regards to your female privilege... well, there's that for a start.

Now I don't necessarily have a problem with this, because I'm a gender essentialist. I have privileges which women don't and vice versa. It's swings and roundabouts and it generally all evens out. However, I do have a problem with women whining about male privilege and forgetting to take a long, hard, look at themselves.

It gets back the fundamentals of men and women being biologically and therefore psychologically different. Unless we start to seriously mess with our DNA, we're pretty much always going to be different, so people need to suck it up and get on with their lives. Throwing all their effort into a fake cause ("women are oppressed!!!") because they have a need to believe in a fucking conspiracy theory is pathetic.

I seriously wish I had the time to go over these point by point. Unfortunately, I honestly don't.

Now, some of these, I would have said yes. Some, I didn't believe at all. Over half are things that are being discussed as privilege, without looking at the other side of it. Make-up made this category multiple times, as it completely forgets things like women having issues with employers over it, (i.e., employer insisting that women wear it in some jobs). Skips the fact of the cost, where you will have none. Same for hairstyles, as I'm paying more for my cuts than you will, even if we have the same hair length. I will also pay more for things like coloring. I didn't buy the lines that included any form of "people won't assume I'm gay". That's a crock. Ask any woman who has what some people would term 'a male looking cut'. Same thing happens for women in certain professions or good at certain athletics.

I'm big enough to admit, I had two that I felt were 'betterment of society' and those were about adults vrs children areas. No, I'm not saying women never do it. At the same time, I think you have to consider how many people have been arrested for sexually harming children and just which gender is more likely to be a member of NAMBLA. I don't have the link. (Maybe somebody will with the description, as it was just a few days ago.) Man was molesting a teen girl on a bus. Another man thought something didn't look right and beat the sh^t out of the perpetrator. Correction. Found the link. http://pix11.com/2016/10/27/hip-hop-artist-stops-sexual-assault-of-teen-girl-on-queens-bus/



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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 1:44:13 PM   
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Studies show that men are privileged to be unethical in the workplace more than women are.

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/02/480487259/women-held-to-higher-ethical-standard-than-men-study-shows

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 3:36:11 PM   
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this doesn't fit neatly into the conversation but when I read some of the comments here, I cannot help but think of some of carrie underwood's songs. before he cheats, blown away, two black cadillacs, and church bells all tell stories of wronged women taking justice into their own hands and wreaking havoc, in some cases to the point of death, on the men in their lives.

we may listen to the songs uncritically, and enjoy them in spite of their lyrics but I suspect a couple of things---one is, there are people out there who secretly cheer the narrator of the story, and at the same time, if the genders were reversed, the songs might not ever see the light of day.

there are indeed male sung songs out there where the man takes mortal revenge on a woman who wronged him, but im not aware of any where the supposed triumph feels so celebratory.


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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 7:41:59 PM   
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Naaa, it's not mansplaining unless it includes statistics, calculable facts, or hand tools.

and yet, they dont use credible statistics or calculable facts or tools, OR instructions, they include insults lies, bullshit and whinging.
THis thread and several others prove it.
Actually mansplaining DOESNT use anything except ignorance of other peoples intelligence.
As you just showed.


Methinks someone had a humorectomy.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 11:15:14 PM   
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All these things you said, others are guilty of such types of evil too. Why is it only noteworthy when white men do it? Slavery for example. Slavery in the arab world was far worse than slavery in the western world. Yet, all that fucking gets talked about is slavery in the western world.

I know you're a black person, itsSIRto. I'm bringing this up because I want to ask you a question. How do you feel about someone placing shame on black people as a group for what examples there are of black people doing evil?

Why is it okay to do it to white men but not to your own kind?


Why should a white male be disqualified from expressing what he feels that are issues that affect his demographic and his problem with female privileges simply because other white men who the said complainer has nothing to do with have done evil?

So I can feel that black men aren't entitled to complain because other black men have done evil and other black men have privileged lives?



You sound like a five-year-old that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar after his stepbrother stole one first. Who gives a fuck if other people did it before ur race did? Your race knew it was wrong, but did it anyway.

It's currently noteworthy because too many of your race currently would be more than happy to reinstate it. Too many of your race currently engage in behavior that perpetuates the bullshit of racism. And you whining a denial that white male privilege is a sham makes no sense to those who have to deal with it.

you don't see me on any thread complaining about the privilege I don't have. You don't see me on here complaining on multiple threads about the shame put on Black Men, - real or imagined. I don't know what rock you live on, but Black Men have been made to feel very hunted of late.

Rather, what we see is you being pissy about being reminded that white men have been in control of this planet for long time and have done some of the most destructive things ever. Your race deserves every bit of shame those things listed and really? What I post is a short list.

But yet still between the two of us I have to worry every day that one of you in a uniform doesn't shoot me, or write me a ticket that he wouldn't write for somebody of his own race under the same circumstances.

and that's only the beginning of what I as a Black Man have to deal with that u as a white man don't....

Seriously, where is My privilege or entitlement in that?

Is it going to change because I whine about it? No it's not.

Your current (American) president once said, "you are the change you seek." I am taking his advice. I am within one quarter of getting my four year bachelors degree in business, the last 30 years I've volunteered my automotive skills to help low-income people of all races keep their cars running so they can stay employed.

So one way or the other I'm trying my best to be part of a solution.

So what do u do besides sit on your ass & bitch about the privilege u have? Or are u really that clueless?

If The answer is nothing then just shut the fuck up. Then you deserve shame for not being part of the solution.





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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 11:26:01 PM   
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Naaa, it's not mansplaining unless it includes statistics, calculable facts, or hand tools.

and yet, they dont use credible statistics or calculable facts or tools, OR instructions, they include insults lies, bullshit and whinging.
THis thread and several others prove it.
Actually mansplaining DOESNT use anything except ignorance of other peoples intelligence.
As you just showed.


Methinks someone had a humorectomy.

methinks humour was far from the reason for the post, but hey, whatever.


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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/1/2016 11:28:23 PM   
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this doesn't fit neatly into the conversation but when I read some of the comments here, I cannot help but think of some of carrie underwood's songs. before he cheats, blown away, two black cadillacs, and church bells all tell stories of wronged women taking justice into their own hands and wreaking havoc, in some cases to the point of death, on the men in their lives.

we may listen to the songs uncritically, and enjoy them in spite of their lyrics but I suspect a couple of things---one is, there are people out there who secretly cheer the narrator of the story, and at the same time, if the genders were reversed, the songs might not ever see the light of day.

there are indeed male sung songs out there where the man takes mortal revenge on a woman who wronged him, but im not aware of any where the supposed triumph feels so celebratory.



try asking the murderers of men and women in prisons, Both sexes...
It might take a bit longer in the male prisons.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 12:11:30 AM   
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So what do u [RM] do besides sit on your ass & bitch about the privilege u have? Or are u really that clueless?


RM has already told us what he does - he shouts "Allah is a cunt" at hijab wearing women from a safe distance and then runs away as far and as fast as he can. So you can see he's not just mouth - he's a genuine fearsome, fearless and fierce pro-white men and anti-everything else warrior, the type that makes 'natives' quake in their boots sneer contemptuously between yawns.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 12:32:58 AM   
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RM has already told us what he does - he shouts "Allah is a cunt" at hijab wearing women from a safe distance and then runs away as far and as fast as he can.

I'm sure the only place he does that is in his dreams, where his three Canadian girlfriends live.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 1:14:59 AM   
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RM has already told us what he does - he shouts "Allah is a cunt" at hijab wearing women from a safe distance and then runs away as far and as fast as he can.

I'm sure the only place he does that is in his dreams, where his three Canadian girlfriends live.

I'm not sure which is more pathetic - whether he actually does what he claims or whether he dreams about doing what he claims.... nor would I like to be forced to adjudicate either.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 1:57:01 AM   
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Let's see.... White men are responsible for:

The slavery of blacks in America
No. Slavery was a common practice in many cultures and the vast majority of slaves which were brought to America were sold by other Africans or Muslims. The real question is whether those sold into slavery in America would have been slaves if America didn't exist.. because Africa was a big participant in the slave trade and the various tribes took slaves in war.


hello? It really doesn't matter if other races did it first or participated in it. The biggest buyer of slaves in America were white men.

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the genocide of Native Americans
That's not white men, that's government. Not many people like to talk about George Washington's war crimes, but you certainly can't blame them on "white men".


Really? How many of the signers of the Constitution were Black Men? or Native Americans? And while you're at it? How many generals of color were there in the military before the tail end of the Civil War?

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the American civil war ...and the lynching of thousands of black men,women and children after the war was over.
A war is a political extension. War occurs because people compete for resources. That is not the fault of white men. Indeed, it was white men who felt slavery was an evil who fought in that war.

what color was the southern slave owners and the leaders of the confederate states?? all white men!!

u call urself awareness why exactly?


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the war of 1812

Spanish-American war

the first world war

the second world war

largely responsible for the Vietnam War
You're an idiot. War is a continuation of politics by other means. All nations engage in war - it's not an attribute specific to white men.quote]
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the Cold War.... On all sides.
You're an idiot. if so, then what the fucks the matter with ur brain that u cant know what race the leaders of the US & Russia were (before Obama).... HELLO????

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The atomic bomb, nuclear bombs, chemical weapons, biological weapons, the concept of neutron bombs,(as opposed to the neutron dance.). So-called Dirty bombs, and just about every other weapon of molecular mass destruction.
Wrong. Those devices are invented by everyone who has the technology to do so. The Japanese were attempting to make the bomb themselves
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let's see, every scientist on the Manhattan project were white. Same with every weapon scientist until 1968 in America. I dare you to find any weapons scientists in Russia thatth the all the Major players in the aren't white

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The Ku Klux Klan..... And the myriad number of spinoff hate groups..
Hate groups occur across all races and ethnicities. You're clearly not a thinker.

when you have 3 lynched relatives who had their cock and balls cut off while they were still alive and stuffed to their mouths after they were hung, I'll let u tell me what a hate group is.

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Organized crime. .... (I'm pretty sure if the ax has to fall, Italians will be considered white men. After all, Hitler was cool with Mussolini.)
Oh, we got ourselves a scholar, here. Apparently, nobody in the history of the world ever 'organised' crime before the Mafia.

Dude, the Yakuza, the Hong Kong and Chinese triads and the 999 group would like a word with you.

the alcohol prohibition by the white US government of the roaring 20s spawned American organized crime. Even you can't be that stupid not to know that ....


[q uote]Both the Great Depression, in the near Great Depression of 2007. White men invented economic collapse? Are you for real?

you must not be if you think white men were not in charge of the US government and the US stock market during the 1st Great Depression,
The Very white, President Bush & the major players of wall street in the 2007 collapse are too.


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The assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Junior, Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley, and the numerous assassination attempts by others.
Committed by INDIVIDUAL WHITE MEN, not white men as an amorphous group.


that changes what exactly?

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Racial, economic, and sexual, inequality in America.... And in the rest of the world if there is a white man who is a leader of that country, those inequalities follows him.
Wrong. Typically the corrupt African nations are led by military dictators who siphon off all the country's wealth. The military Junta in Burma was controlled by the Chinese.

you must not have much for reading comprehension, I did not attribute any African nation to white men (not even old apartheid South Africa.)

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The use of Christianity to eradicate the culture of every indigenous people they came across.
Which is odd, because all other conquering nations and creeds believe in peaceful coex-... what's that? Islam murders people if they refuse to convert? No! Say it ain't so!

thousands of indigenous languages, customs, and lifestyles have been eradicated by Christianity. Islam is just the biggest one and able to fight back.

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Every form of bullet firing mass killing machine starting with the Gatling gun.
Yes, guns are terrible. People should just hold hands and hope that bad people just go away.

now you and I know people like you just don't stay lost. Or I'm sure somebody would've left you out the desert.

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( isn't it a bit ironic that their own invention is being used against them to strike fear in the land they stole from the Natives?)
Conquered, not stole. England was conquered multiple times - hell, at some points in history you needed fucking traffic lights to manage the hordes of unclean foreigners sweeping across the land. My ancestry is Scottish and Irish, which is probably why I have a genetic dislike for pompous Poms, but regardless - history is written by the winners and conquering is something which everybody does... well, presuming their technological advancement includes sailing.


either word means the same thing with the same result, the killing of millions of Native Americans by white men with carbines.

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Being the overwhelming majority of serial killers, and serial rapists
The overwhelming majority of CONVICTED serial killers and rapists. We know perfectly well that women are equally capable of being serial killers and they're less likely to be caught doing it. And women rape at rates equal to men. So this argument is null and void.


your brain is null and void. I would really like for you to find me a website with that rape information on it. White men are the majority of convicted serial killers and rapists because they are the ones who actually a comitted the most murders. I really could care less about potential rapists


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being the overwhelming reason for almost every law regarding consumer safety, workplace practice, environmental protection, and sexual harassment, is because of white men behaving badly.
Actually no. Chinese manufacturers have absolutely zero conscience when it comes to consumer safety. Zip. Nada. None. There was a manufacturer of baubles for kids who replaced one ingredient with another because it was cheaper.

It also happened to be radioactive, but they didn't care.

The reason we have regulation is because human beings tend to maximise their advantage. Something which occurs across all demographics. Claiming this is the province of white men is... what's the phrase again? Oh, yes. "Fucking stupid".

is not as stupid as you thinking that the CEOs of major American importers are not white people.

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Now don't get me wrong I hate no one. My white woman laughed mightily when I read ur comment,
Why? Do you slap her if she doesn't?


nope, but I had to bring her a box of tissues from her laughing at your current responses.

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But if you're going to continue to say white men are victim's, I consider that the most stupid and idiotic statement ever made. and turning the usual white male blind eye to ur own history.
I said white women are privileged. And they are. Perhaps your stunted intelligence has trouble reading the words.
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Because really? While there are great things that white men have done, for instance inventing the very computers that we are using to type this with, white men are STILL single-handedly THE most destructive human beings on this planet, even to their own race, and amongst the good they do, there are too many white men continuing to refine better, more efficient, and more complete ways to destroy THEMSELVES and their fellow human beings.
No. You're babbling insane nonsense. Men and women of all races will do everything to see their progeny succeed. Some of them will start wars. Some of them will plot, scheme and murder to make it happen. Some won't.

This is human psychology at work, not "white culture". Claiming otherwise is just racism on your part.




Just because I understand fully what you are saying does not make it true. ur still a fruitcake.... extra nuts.
it never ceases to amaze me how people like you take the fact that your race is the most destructive race on the planet and instead of figuring out that maybe the other races have a reason to be mistrustful and angry at your race's actions when your race was in charge, you call us racist for pointing it out.






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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 5:41:58 AM   
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[Males] Being the overwhelming majority of serial killers, and serial rapists

The overwhelming majority of CONVICTED serial killers and rapists. We know perfectly well that women are equally capable of being serial killers and they're less likely to be caught doing it. And women rape at rates equal to men. So this argument is null and void.



What planet do you live on Aness? Your claims are ridiculous. Here's the FBI stats for 2012:

Forcible rape 11,782 (by males) 109 (by females)
Murder 6,603 (by males) 830(by females)
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/33tabledatadecoverviewpdf

So in the USA in 2012, males raped at a rate approx 110 times that of females. Males murder at a rate approx 8 times that of females. And you in your stupendous ignorance are claiming that women rape and murder at rates equal to men.

You are a fruitcake, a deranged fruitcake inhabiting a fantasy world. You need professional help. S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 7:24:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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[Males] Being the overwhelming majority of serial killers, and serial rapists

The overwhelming majority of CONVICTED serial killers and rapists. We know perfectly well that women are equally capable of being serial killers and they're less likely to be caught doing it. And women rape at rates equal to men. So this argument is null and void.



What planet do you live on Aness? Your claims are ridiculous. Here's the FBI stats for 2012:

Forcible rape 11,782 (by males) 109 (by females)
Murder 6,603 (by males) 830(by females)
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/33tabledatadecoverviewpdf

So in the USA in 2012, males raped at a rate approx 110 times that of females. Males murder at a rate approx 8 times that of females. And you in your stupendous ignorance are claiming that women rape and murder at rates equal to men.

You are a fruitcake, a deranged fruitcake inhabiting a fantasy world. You need professional help. S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y.
Oh dear. Do I really have to lecture you again? You know what happens every time you try and make your case with facts and figures you don't understand. Your social pseudo-scientist brain has trouble with the figures.

*coughs* Let's begin.

Your first mistake can be attributed to a lack of comprehension. Now, I'm going to highlight all the relevant words in capitals so you don't miss the rather important distinctions which appear to have overwhelmed you. My statement was:

"The overwhelming majority of CONVICTED serial killers and rapists. We know perfectly well that women are equally capable of being serial killers and they're less likely to be caught doing it. And women rape at rates equal to men."

You clearly have trouble distinguishing between COMMITTING a crime, being ARRESTED for a crime and being CONVICTED for a crime. So when I talk about statistics of crime CONVICTION and COMMISSION and you try and respond with ARREST rates, you're demonstrating your inability to follow the discussion.

It is well known that women are far less likely to be ARRESTED for a crime, far less likely to be CONVICTED of a crime and if they are convicted the SENTENCING they receive is substantially less than for exactly the same crime committed by a man.

ARREST rates reflect the inherent anti-male bias in the system. Bias which feminist organisations have advocated to maintain and extend. And I remind you that if a woman sexually assaults a man, it is not considered rape unless she actually penetrates him.

"What?" I hear you say, "The definition of rape is gendered and designed to ignore female perpetrators???"

Yes. Yes it is. Thank feminism for that one.

So then, the question becomes: How do we gain an accurate indication of crime commission?

The best answers we have are the National Crime Victimisation surveys which focus on crime COMMISSION, not ARREST or CONVICTION.

When the definition of rape is expanded to include "Made to penetrate" (either by physical force or due to intoxication), then men report rape at almost the same rates that women do. And no, there's not a massive epidemic of gay rape going on... it's women doing the raping.

So your narrative that men rape at 110 times the rate of women is a lie. Yet another lie from another man-hating feminist who lies to everyone so she can pretend men are monsters.

Women rape as much as men do. They just don't get caught, arrested and convicted for it.

Because vagina.

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/



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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 8:21:32 AM   
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You utter utter fruitcake!

Did you even read the headline of the only report you are citing and relying on for all your stats and argument? It reads:
"The CDC’s Rape Numbers Are Misleading"

and here's the conclusion of the paper you cited to support your absurd claims:
"We must either start treating sexual assault as a gender-neutral issue or stop using the CDC’s inflated statistics. Few would deny that sex crimes in America are a real, serious, and tragic problem. But studies of sexual violence should use accurate and clear definitions of rape and sexual assault, rather than lump these criminal acts together with a wide range of unsavory but non-criminal scenarios of men—and women—behaving badly."
http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
SO the only bit of evidence you can offer doesn't do what you claim it does. It actually argues against your claims. Its conclusion rejects the claim you are advancing. It explicitly criticises the "made to penetrate" definition of rape you praised and used to make your case, such as it was. How stupid can you get?

But problems like this are inevitable when you choose to cherry pick one isolated report that your erroneously believe suits your ideological agenda, a report whose findings have not (as far as I could tell) been replicated anywhere else. Broadly speaking the Australian stats for violent crime reflect the US ones - overwhelmingly males are the offenders while there is a small minority of female offenders. I'm pretty sure the UK stats will paint a similar picture. Of course those of us who understand the scientific method will note how un-scientific your approach is.

It appears that your claims are just that - claims that exist only in your febrile imagination

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So when I talk about statistics of crime CONVICTION and COMMISSION ....


According to the DOJ: "About two-thirds of felony defendants were eventually convicted and more than 95% of these convictions occurred through a guilty plea."
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=23

So if you want to get the conviction rate, just multiply the numbers of arrests by 2/3 and you will have conviction rates. Surprise surprise going by convictions doesn't alter the ratios of male to female violent offenders, either rapists or murderers. That means that the conviction rate for rape in the US remains approx 110 male convictions for every female conviction and NOT the 1:1 ratio you are alleging.
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It is well known that women are far less likely to be ARRESTED for a crime, far less likely to be CONVICTED of a crime ....


There may be a very simple reason for that - women commit less crime than men and especially when it comes to violent crimes, women commit far less violent crime than men. That's why arrest and conviction rates are lower for women than men.

This is what is reported in every reputable report of crime stats that I have ever seen. It is something that we all know to be true anyway - women simply are far less prone to criminal behaviours than men. This seems to be the case in every Western jurisdiction demonstrated in annual report after annual report in country after country and I am unaware of any official stats that suggest otherwise.

You are a deranged fruitcake A'ness. Please get some professional help. S-O-O-N.

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RE: White male privilege theory is a sham - 11/2/2016 9:05:53 AM   
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You utter utter fruitcake!
You're sounding even more unhinged than normal. Are you off your medication again?

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Did you even read the headline of the only report you are citing and relying on for all your stats and argument? It reads:
"The CDC’s Rape Numbers Are Misleading"
http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
SO the only bit of evidence you can offer doesn't do what you claim it does. And its a telephone survey FFS! There is no way of knowing who or what is being interviewed or eliminating interviews with fruitcakes and deranged morons like you. And the definition of rape it uses- "made to penetrate" - is vague, poorly understood and incompatible with rape stats elsewhere. It could be used to describe a reluctant gang rapist 'forced by peer pressure' to participate in a gang rape, turning a perpetrator into a victim.
*broad smile* Once again, you reveal your inability to read and comprehend. Christ, it is SO entertaining watching you shoot yourself in the foot.

The CDC - and their telephone survey - are behind the often-quoted 'One in five women will be raped" myth. I'm glad you think their methodology is suspect, because it is. The article I linked to says exactly that and then uses a more reliable survey to demonstrate why.

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But problems like this are inevitable when you choose to cherry pick one isolated report to suit your ideological agenda, a report whose findings have not (as far as I could tell) been replicated anywhere else.
Oh, I agree.... which is why when YOU FEMINISTS use THE CDC FIGURES WHICH YOU HAVE NOW DISMISSED to support your insane "one in five women will be raped" claim, the smart money says you're full of shit.

So, I'm glad you've dismissed the CDC's methodology as it is THE SOLE SOURCE of the one in five rape myth. It's good for you to acknowledge reality and admit that the one in five myth is untrue.

"Made to penetrate" is pretty clear, if you find it ambiguous, you can put that down to your own lack of understanding. It's designed to expand the definition of rape so women can also be held responsible. And when we use that expanded definition, lo and behold WOMEN are equivalent perpetrators to men.

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Broadly speaking the Australian stats for violent crime reflect the US ones - overwhelmingly males are the offenders while there is a small minority of female offenders. I'm pretty sure the UK stats will paint a similar picture.
Conviction of crime, not commission of crime. I've explained this very clearly to you, you have no excuse for your lack of understanding.

Your desire to paint men as evil reflects your own deep-seated mental illness. The idea that you should be advising anyone to get help is incredibly ironic. Your need for therapy is kinda obvious.

Go on, though. Froth at the mouth some more. I find it endlessly entertaining.

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