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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Other men call abused men wimps, pussies, nancys, more than most

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women for a small example, look up any of awarenesses or respectmens responses to male submissives or anyone he perceives being a feminist

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Women are not to blame for men abusing other men

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The judicial system is wrong, its fucked up.
Blame the law, blame the court system, blame it on ignorance.

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Blaming it on women or feminism is not going to work.

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Some conservative males seem to have that 19th century attitude of domination and contempt for anyone not male, and desperation to retain it, by believing that their words and actions are somehow not to blame for anything
21st century people are saying. Enough of the bullshit. Enough of the groping and the rape and the assault, harassment, the victim blaming, the violence, the bullying... but for EVERYONE

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I think regardless of who the aggressor, the underlying problem is that Western culture has always been focused on accomplishments and results rather than well- being. Our culture creates alot of stress. We haven't (until recently) been taught or shown how to be in- tune with ourselves and our emotional (and associated physical) state. I think one positive lately is an open- mindedness towards what eastern culture can teach us (self awarenesd, mindfulness, energy training and self- regulation, etc). Such practices are not feminine nor masculine... they are good for everyone.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Well the type of yoga i trained under for 5 years was from S Korea. The map you showed is interesting. I was not really thinking about whether or not eastern cultures had a domestic violence problem, I was more thinking along the lines of the cause of domestic violence (stress, uncontrolled emotions, lack of self- awareness and associated self- regulation, etc).

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I have found my yoga practice has helped me significantly in all of these areas and I know yoga is becoming more popular as a practice here in the States.

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I would agree that women can be just as violent if not more violent than men and the only difference is that since women are physically weaker, they might not be able to do as much damage. I'm sure there are as many different reasons/causes of specific instances of domestic violence as there are people. I am always the type that will seek out solutions to problems.

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I would agree that women can be just as violent if not more violent than men and the only difference is that since women are physically weaker, they might not be able to do as much damage.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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I would agree that women can be just as violent if not more violent than men and the only difference is that since women are physically weaker, they might not be able to do as much damage.

Businessman, 54, was branded with an iron and had pushed burning cigarettes up his nostrils every time he refused to have sex with his violent girlfriend

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890448/Violent-girlfriend-tortured-man-refused-sex.html

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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I would agree that women can be just as violent if not more violent than men and the only difference is that since women are physically weaker, they might not be able to do as much damage.

Businessman, 54, was branded with an iron and had pushed burning cigarettes up his nostrils every time he refused to have sex with his violent girlfriend

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890448/Violent-girlfriend-tortured-man-refused-sex.html

Well if he stuck around for the second time I'd say there was something wrong with him too... wouldn't you?

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Well if he stuck around for the second time I'd say there was something wrong with him too... wouldn't you?

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Well if he stuck around for the second time I'd say there was something wrong with him too... wouldn't you?

Just imagine saying that if it was the other way around. People would be angry with the victim blaming.

My point is that women do damage too. Women are more likely to use weapons, poison their partner, or get some other bloke to do her dirty work.

People need to stop using this fallacy that women are weaker so therefore male victims don't feel pain. A weapon can do a lot more damage than any male fist or a 100 male fists put together.

The problem I see with not just DV but with any male problem, people are always busy trying to downplay the situation instead of having any empathy for the male victim in the said situation. When it comes to DV alone for example, people get the impression that he may have deserved it or it's his fault one way or the other like what tamaka is doing here.

If it's not that, other issues males face in society that may have been caused by other men, people use that as a fallacy also to downplay the experience of what the men on the receiving end go through.

Anyway, my point is that people need to stop being so busy in trying to downplay every male problem, due to their bigotry, and think about the experience of what men go through for once.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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I would agree that women can be just as violent if not more violent than men and the only difference is that since women are physically weaker, they might not be able to do as much damage.

Businessman, 54, was branded with an iron and had pushed burning cigarettes up his nostrils every time he refused to have sex with his violent girlfriend

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890448/Violent-girlfriend-tortured-man-refused-sex.html

Well if he stuck around for the second time I'd say there was something wrong with him too... wouldn't you?

Would you say the same thing about a woman who stuck around.

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Well, I agree with that, in general. Though I don't quite understand what you mean by "If it's not that, other issues males face in society that may have been caused by other men, people use that as a fallacy also to downplay the experience of what the men on the receiving end go through."

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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Well, I agree with that, in general. Though I don't quite understand what you mean by "If it's not that, other issues males face in society that may have been caused by other men, people use that as a fallacy also to downplay the experience of what the men on the receiving end go through."

For example when talking about other issues. The gap with punishments in the justice system. If something like this is raised, people will start harping on about that "oh it's men who made it that way". This is usually used as faulty reasoning to take away the experience of the discrimination/suffering of men.

It seems that too many people out there, especially feminists, will particularly scrape at the bottom of the barrel or latch onto anything they can to downplay any male problem instead of acknowledging the seriousness of it. This is classic behaviour of a bigot.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

If a woman is abused it is "evil men" to blame.
If a man is abused, he is just a wimp.

One subject where society still has a 19th century attitude.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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Well, I agree with that, in general. Though I don't quite understand what you mean by "If it's not that, other issues males face in society that may have been caused by other men, people use that as a fallacy also to downplay the experience of what the men on the receiving end go through."

For example when talking about other issues. The gap with punishments in the justice system. If something like this is raised, people will start harping on about that "oh it's men who made it that way". This is usually used as faulty reasoning to take away the experience of the discrimination/suffering of men.

It seems that too many people out there, especially feminists, will particularly scrape at the bottom of the barrel or latch onto anything they can to downplay any male problem instead of acknowledging the seriousness of it. This is classic behaviour of a bigot.

Are these really feminists, or radicalized feminists, that you are referring to?

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... Or right wing women. That's a category that barely gets a mention in this forum. One could be forgiven for believing that they're all as saintly as nuns. I mean the sort that believes that men are - or should be - as hard as rocks, emotionless, loving of their wives and families (though at a stern distance, and won't get soppy about visitation rights should there be a divorce) - and above all, providers.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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... Or right wing women. That's a category that barely gets a mention in this forum. One could be forgiven for believing that they're all as saintly as nuns. I mean the sort that believes that men are - or should be - as hard as rocks, emotionless, loving of their wives and families (though at a stern distance, and won't get soppy about visitation rights should there be a divorce) - and above all, providers.

Hey peon, who created the phrase "what about teh menz"? That wouldn't be feminists now, could it, peon?

Or how about "I bathe in male tears"?

Oh wait, they aren't real feminists!

Gotta larf