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How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 1:09:26 AM

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After the most brutal election campaign in living memory, one thing is clear irrespective of who wins - the USA is deeply divided, with fault lines on race, gender and class reflecting that divide. The racism xenophobia and hate that marred the election campaign needs to be stared down. The naked anger that fuelled Trump's campaign needs to be recognised and addressed.

Healing will be a great deal easier if the losing candidate concedes defeat gracefully, as tradition has long had it. However on this there are no guarantees from one side. Will the losers accept the people's verdict? If not what does the future hold for the US? Will the GOP split into populist and establishment wings with the populist wing refusing to accept a possible Clinton Presidency under any circumstances? Will healing and unity be possible if a significant portion of the population withholds consent and tries to delegitimise the result?

How can the complex issues that intersect with those deep fault lines be resolved in a manner that will satisfy the electorate? Is a solution possible to issues like abortion, institutional racism, unemployment and underemployment? Will Trump or Clinton be the person to achieve that resolution and reconciliation? Will Congress rise to the challenge or continue in its self indulgent blanket opposition to Presidential initiatives? And if they fail .....?

Will we end up having to remove the 'United' bit from the United States of America?

ETA: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37891511

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 1:41:58 AM

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It won't.
The US does not want to come together or agree.

How can people still be outraged over their conspiracy theories and general paranoia if they're not divided? How could anyone possibly justify amassing gun collections if they don't feel like the shit is going to hit the fan at any minute?

Getting along and working together is too boring for it to ever work.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 3:16:16 AM

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I rub my crystal ball and see nothing. The first month will be the most telling.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 3:31:18 AM

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racism xenophobia

There is no racism xenophobia for wanting to prevent other cultures from infiltrating one's country.

If you meet Japanese people, they are the most friendly welcoming of tourists. But they just don't want other cultures to infiltrate their country. Doesn't mean they don't respect other people's culture.

It just means, they don't want other people's culture in their country, that's all! They like to keep things pure.

Not all cultures are compatible with each other.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 4:30:20 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
racism xenophobia

There is no racism xenophobia for wanting to prevent other cultures from infiltrating one's country.

If you meet Japanese people, they are the most friendly welcoming of tourists. But they just don't want other cultures to infiltrate their country. Doesn't mean they don't respect other people's culture.

It just means, they don't want other people's culture in their country, that's all! They like to keep things pure.

Not all cultures are compatible with each other.

Even Japan has been "infiltrated" culturally - it is even a separate period in the history of Japan (Bukamatsu and Meiji); Japanese script is Chinese in origin, and a few other things, Japanese civil law is a almost 1:1 copy of the German Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch; thus many features of Japanese culture are foreign in origin. Similar things have happened and are happening everywhere. There is even a scientific term for the modern phenomenon of global cultural changes after WWII: "Cocacolonization"

So all this is not new. Maybe the "new" phenomenon might be that Americans notice a flowback of other cultures into the US instead of the spread of American features into other countries and cultures. But so what. They may be experiencing now what the rest of the world has experienced over decades already; so far there have been cultural changes, some are accepted, some are disliked. The choice is yours. The process however is going on for thousands of years and did not hurt (much).

Just to show you how:
The alphabet that is used here was invented in Rome (Roman Empire) some maybe 25 centuries ago. As you all can see and read, it is not only suitable for Latin.
The language used is English, a rural dialect of some Frisian, Low german and south Danish overseas immigrants transplanted to what was then called England after their old homeland in now Germany, which were later ruled by Norman lords who themselves dropped their old Norse for French and imposed their vocabulary onto that rural dialect. The result is a language that has been spread over half the globe, and has elements of Germanic, Roman, French, Celtic vocabulary, grammar, cultures in it (not to forget a few others too).

So what culture are you guys talking about?
And that term "pure" is pure nonsense. There is no "purity", and never has been.

("pure" is Latin without Latin declension)

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 4:30:29 AM

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Nods it is deeply divided easily more so than the UK and some of us wish to split that union...its not far off 50/50. The English and the Welsh have already split from the EU (Scotland and NI opted to stay but because the rest of the unions population is 10 times ours we are leaving/existing - although a second independence referendum will be imminent.

Part of project fear UK better together was that Scotland would not be part of the EU. Those fukers of project fear should beheld accountable. Scotland is typically governed by a party that gets no more than 20% of our vote.

The problem with the GOP they, well many, are a collection of mad as fuk hobgoblins with their own diverse agendas. The concept of them paying taxes, there fare share is an abomination unto them and they feed that down the pyramid scheme to the drones

The democrats may well get in again (only voter apathy will stop this occurring not impossible – but I was reading 5 mins ago the mad rapists and criminals were turning out in unprecedented force voting for scary witch Hillary – latinos and Mexicans – as opposed o the deranged bankrupt chaos.

Something went wrong with America a long time ago and it cannot be fixed – think they call it the American dream – I call that ethos something else entirely. Anyhoos no amount of crazy glue is fixing that.

The GOP has to split. It can do so in 2 parts, or 3 parts

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 4:30:34 AM

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greta, right there is another good illustration of the difference between conservatives and liberals...

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 4:50:41 AM

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greta75 actually has a bit of a point -purity- I see that also with that country. I think Hitler, to mention one of a mad despot, also had that outlook. But it is racism xenophobia discrimination homophobia etc

But take trump when if comes to the savage darkies and islam. People like those should not remotely come near the table(position) of power, and yet they do and he is the worst I have seen of late.

I dont see his ethos particularly far removed from what many in the GOP actually want but do not dare say out loud.

And BREXIT was won on the bleeding immigrants stealing all out jobs and money and being benefit scroungers (the opposite being true of course)

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:08:22 AM

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Ah, but for the good old days. Like in the 1850s, when the whole area from Texas to California was pure whi ...

oh wait ...

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:15:18 AM

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greta, right there is another good illustration of the difference between conservatives and liberals...

Yeah, because nutsuckers; THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVES, are not a nation of immigrants, and while very frenetically trying to export their brand of enlightenment to the world do not want to import that very same miasma.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:30:07 AM

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So what culture are you guys talking about?

To say that Japanese doesn't have one of the "purest" culture is ridiculous!
Because there are things that are so uniquely and easily identifiable uniquely only Japanese.

Also, as cultures evolves, they reserve the right to adopt some ideas from other culture that may be compatible with their own. But it's their culture and they can choose and pick how they want it to be. Which means rejecting certain cultures that they don't want infiltrating.

I mean, ALL of the cultures did adopt western clothings did they not? Because end of the day, it makes most sense.

Japanese clothes were impractical. Don't even get me started on Chinese traditional dresses. You can't even walk.

It's very different from, let's say, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between dutch, belgium or german culture.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:35:55 AM

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Oh, sorry you lose take off your pants. The pure Japanese (Ainu) are an ethnic minority. Most of those folks are heavily Chinese and Korean, etc.

Their culture is an amalgamation.

Like saying our country or culture is pure because we have some reservations of native Americans, and have some touristy gift shop dreamcatchers in our homes.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:37:30 AM

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Oh, sorry you lose take off your pants. The pure Japanese (Ainu) are an ethnic minority. Most of those folks are heavily Chinese and Korean, etc.

Their culture is an amalgamation.

Like saying our country or culture is pure because we have some reservations of native Americans, and have some touristy gift shop dreamcatchers in our homes.

There is nothing Chinese about Japanese. Maybe we look the same to you.

But it's very obvious here that we are night and day.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:37:49 AM

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There is no racism xenophobia for wanting to prevent other cultures from infiltrating one's country.

If you meet Japanese people, they are the most friendly welcoming of tourists. But they just don't want other cultures to infiltrate their country. Doesn't mean they don't respect other people's culture.

It just means, they don't want other people's culture in their country, that's all! They like to keep things pure.

Not all cultures are compatible with each other.

Greta, this is the textbook definition of xenophobia.
The only difference is that you've tacked on 'it just means' and 'that's all', like it's no big deal.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:39:32 AM

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Greta, this is the textbook definition of xenophobia.
The only difference is that you've tacked on 'it just means' and 'that's all', like it's no big deal.

It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible.

I mean honour killing is a culture. Is it xenophobia to refused to accept their culture?
Gosh the left likes to only put one standard to it, and don't accept the other standard.

There will always be unwelcome cultures in this world!

And there are a gazillion terrible chinese culture that I think the world should not accept too.

And one of the big reason why the burka culture should not be accepted is because where they come from, they prosecute women who refuses to wear burka. It's a symbol of oppression.

If ALL Muslim have a choice whether to wear burka or not in this universe, then I'd champion the wear of burka personally IF women wants to wear them.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:45:14 AM

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I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between dutch, belgium or german culture.

Are you blind and deaf? The Germans wear Lederhosen, the Dutch wear wooden shoes, and forty percent of the Belgians speak French.

Easy-peasy!

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:49:29 AM

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The US Isn't looking for purity (that's got to be obvious considering who our Presidential candidates are) It is however looking for conformity. It's not racist or xenophobic to expect immigrants to conform to the society the US has created. It's the ones who want the US to change and turn into the countries they left that are unwelcome.

Yes you can have religious freedom, but your freedom ends where mine begins. You want to follow Muhammad, be my guest, But don't try to force me to.

You want to speak your native language, be my guest. But don't get pissed when I try to communicate with you speaking English.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:49:40 AM

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It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible.

You're talking about customs, not cultures.

But seriously, look at what you're saying... 'cultures should be kept pure'.
Do you know any famous 20th century figures who were big on racial and cultural purity?

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:52:39 AM

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The stupidity never ceases to amaze me how it seems that it's only racist and evil when whites do it.

The left points at the white population and say "how dare you" while its all okay for the rest of the world to do it.

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RE: How will the US heal itself? - 11/8/2016 5:54:36 AM

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There is nothing Chinese about Japanese.

Apart from the kanji alphabet, Buddhism and Confuscianism, the I Ching and various other adopted Chinese classics, the cultural tendency towards elaborate and highly structured bureaucratic systems, filial piety and probably a lot more that doesn't immediately spring to mind, you mean?
The Japanese have had a tendency towards dismissing Chinese influences on their culture since Japan was opened up to the west, and certainly the west has been far more of influence since the nineteenth century, but saying that there's no cultural influence from China into Japan is just plain daft.

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