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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 1:59:15 PM   
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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:01:17 PM   
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People didn't vote for him because of racism, sexism or hate. People voted for him because of his platform.


yes but also two things---the lefties redefine those terms and apply them willy nilly to anyone or anything who holds to different beliefs/values than they do. so in their minds, yep---racist, sexist, bigot, etc.

the other is---if you take those instances of labeling out of their repertoire, they lose the (pseudo) moral superiority they so desperately crave.



If you take the nutsuckerism out of dogshit44, he will have nothing.



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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:26:31 PM   
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People didn't vote for him because of racism, sexism or hate. People voted for him because of his platform.


yes but also two things---the lefties redefine those terms and apply them willy nilly to anyone or anything who holds to different beliefs/values than they do. so in their minds, yep---racist, sexist, bigot, etc.

the other is---if you take those instances of labeling out of their repertoire, they lose the (pseudo) moral superiority they so desperately crave.


Oh yes... their love for humanity... of course. We see it now, don't we.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:31:27 PM   
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People didn't vote for him because of racism, sexism or hate. People voted for him because of his platform.


yes but also two things---the lefties redefine those terms and apply them willy nilly to anyone or anything who holds to different beliefs/values than they do. so in their minds, yep---racist, sexist, bigot, etc.

the other is---if you take those instances of labeling out of their repertoire, they lose the (pseudo) moral superiority they so desperately crave.



Not only that but these terms were bandied about and blown way out of proportion by the media trying to whip Hillarys base into a frenzy. They're still in a frenzy so they riot. Now we're getting the term fascist by some on this forum. I doubt they know what fascist even means let alone try to explain how it relates to Trumps platform.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:32:45 PM   
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So... show me exactly which part of the platform Trump ran on gives those people a justifiable cause to fear. Justifiable fear that goes beyond just a worry that things won't got their way for a while. Justifiable fear for their safety and security, based on items Trump actually ran on.

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Nobody's safety and security is being threatened.


"Fear is a totally rational reaction to the Donald Trump presidency - Vox"

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13575042/donald-trump-minorities-afraid-president

Just one of the examples, of many ....

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:35:56 PM   
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People didn't vote for him because of racism, sexism or hate. People voted for him because of his platform.


yes but also two things---the lefties redefine those terms and apply them willy nilly to anyone or anything who holds to different beliefs/values than they do. so in their minds, yep---racist, sexist, bigot, etc.

the other is---if you take those instances of labeling out of their repertoire, they lose the (pseudo) moral superiority they so desperately crave.


Oh yes... their love for humanity... of course. We see it now, don't we.


we sure dont see it from nutsuckers, nobody will ever accuse them of a vigorous attempt at humanity.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:48:50 PM   
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So... show me exactly which part of the platform Trump ran on gives those people a justifiable cause to fear. Justifiable fear that goes beyond just a worry that things won't got their way for a while. Justifiable fear for their safety and security, based on items Trump actually ran on.

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Nobody's safety and security is being threatened.


"Fear is a totally rational reaction to the Donald Trump presidency - Vox"

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13575042/donald-trump-minorities-afraid-president

Just one of the examples, of many ....


Yes well people who broke the law should be in fear of the justice system i suppose.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 2:50:07 PM   
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1) Most of the protests have been peaceful.
2) I have very little doubt that had HRC won the election that we would be seeing similar, if not worse behavior as evidenced by:

"On November 8th, I'm voting for Trump," former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) tweeted on Wednesday.
"On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket.You in?"

along with many other things stated by now President Elect Trump's supporters.



I highly doubt Trumpters would have rioted and what Walsh stated was tongue and cheek. Though in the interest of fair and balanced I'll throw you a bone. Had Hillary won there would have been yet another guns and ammunition buying frenzy as evidenced by the guns and ammo buying frenzy during most of the 8 years of Obama.

However I really would like to know specifically what you're referring to by the "many other things stated by now President Elect Trump's supporters."


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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 3:18:01 PM   
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1) Most of the protests have been peaceful.
2) I have very little doubt that had HRC won the election that we would be seeing similar, if not worse behavior as evidenced by:

"On November 8th, I'm voting for Trump," former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) tweeted on Wednesday.
"On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket.You in?"

along with many other things stated by now President Elect Trump's supporters.

But other than yours...and others...beliefs about that, we'll never know, will we? I seem to recall other people besides this Senator making statements like that about Obama being elected. Other than the nutjob who killed his wife and himself, the nutjob who ran over her husband, the nutjob who killed himself or the small riot ON the U.of Missouri grounds, can you show me where anyone DELIBERATELY beat up others over Obama's election during riots protesting that election? Riots over Obama's election in which property was destroyed or defaced with statements such as "Die Blacks Die" (New Orleans...die whites die)?

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 3:43:06 PM   
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So... show me exactly which part of the platform Trump ran on gives those people a justifiable cause to fear. Justifiable fear that goes beyond just a worry that things won't got their way for a while. Justifiable fear for their safety and security, based on items Trump actually ran on.

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Nobody's safety and security is being threatened.


"Fear is a totally rational reaction to the Donald Trump presidency - Vox"

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13575042/donald-trump-minorities-afraid-president

Just one of the examples, of many ....


I thought you were an academic, and would understand how to actually construct an argument?

How does an article written by somebody afraid, laying out over and over again that people are afraid, without substantiating a reason for them being afraid based on any point Trump actually ran on -other than pure irrationality- prove your point?

Especially not when I can counter it with tons of examples, such as a black homeless woman (the group supposedly being afraid right now because of Trump, right?) getting beaten up by the Left for attempting to protect his walk of fame star in LA, leading up to the election?
I could take that example and use it to illustrate why black homeless women should be afraid right now from the wrath of the Left, but that's not even the point.

The question remains: show me what position Trump has ran on that justifiable causes such fear that it becomes socially permissible to issue death threats (to the president-elect or his voters), riot, beat up people based on their race or political conviction, or deliberately target small business owners.

Not some "well the Left is scared of what Trump supporters will do" article by some random author making totally unsubstantiated claims, because the Left has already proven that they will be the ones committing those same offenses in far excess to what the Right has -now or in previous elections- but actual substantiated cause to be fearful for positions Trump has ran on.

And don't be bleating about "they're scared about him deporting illegal immigrants and building a wall". Fear of deportation isn't enough to justify death threats, nor riots. And on top of that, illegals should be dealt with. Either by changing the laws so that they no longer are illegal (something the Left just had 8 years to accomplish but didn't bother to address), or by deporting them. That's how laws work: you enforce them while you have them, or you abolish/change them if you decided that you no longer should have them.



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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:01:11 PM   
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So... show me exactly which part of the platform Trump ran on gives those people a justifiable cause to fear. Justifiable fear that goes beyond just a worry that things won't got their way for a while. Justifiable fear for their safety and security, based on items Trump actually ran on.

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Nobody's safety and security is being threatened.


"Fear is a totally rational reaction to the Donald Trump presidency - Vox"

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13575042/donald-trump-minorities-afraid-president

Just one of the examples, of many ....


I thought you were an academic, and would understand how to actually construct an argument?

How does an article written by somebody afraid, laying out over and over again that people are afraid, without substantiating a reason for them being afraid based on any point Trump actually ran on -other than pure irrationality- prove your point?

Especially not when I can counter it with tons of examples, such as a black homeless woman (the group supposedly being afraid right now because of Trump, right?) getting beaten up by the Left for attempting to protect his walk of fame star in LA, leading up to the election?
I could take that example and use it to illustrate why black homeless women should be afraid right now from the wrath of the Left, but that's not even the point.

The question remains: show me what position Trump has ran on that justifiable causes such fear that it becomes socially permissible to issue death threats (to the president-elect or his voters), riot, beat up people based on their race or political conviction, or deliberately target small business owners.

Not some "well the Left is scared of what Trump supporters will do" article by some random author making totally unsubstantiated claims, because the Left has already proven that they will be the ones committing those same offenses in far excess to what the Right has -now or in previous elections- but actual substantiated cause to be fearful for positions Trump has ran on.

And don't be bleating about "they're scared about him deporting illegal immigrants and building a wall". Fear of deportation isn't enough to justify death threats, nor riots. And on top of that, illegals should be dealt with. Either by changing the laws so that they no longer are illegal (something the Left just had 8 years to accomplish but didn't bother to address), or by deporting them. That's how laws work: you enforce them while you have them, or you abolish/change them if you decided that you no longer should have them.



And BTW...there's another group that may not have any reason to fear Trump in the way that many on the left apparently do.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Funny how these moments cannot be found in most media outlets' coverage of Trump.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:05:06 PM   
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I thought you were an academic, and would understand how to actually construct an argument?


God, Ishtar, please don't try to 'do an Awareness' on me. I didn't 'construct an argument'. I gave you a link in order to help you to understand more about where people get their fear from, and why that fear might be considered rational, all in the assumption that you'd want to find out. I didn't set out to 'correct your incorrect view'. I have nowhere near the investment it would require to do that, even if I thought it could be done.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:35:56 PM   
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I thought you were an academic, and would understand how to actually construct an argument?


I gave you a link in order to help you to understand more about where people get their fear from, and why that fear might be considered rational, all in the assumption that you'd want to find out.


But it doesn't show that at all.
In fact, it kinda supports my position that their fear is irrational, because it doesn't lay out a good reason for it, while at the same time claiming that their fear is totally justified.
All it shows is more fear based on nothing but "Middle America is terrible! They're all racist bigots, we're doomed, doomed!", which is pretty much the definition of 'irrational fear'.





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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:38:16 PM   
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Personally I do not see the point of these protests. That a large number of voters are unhappy with the election results seems rather obvious to me.

What's more, based on the interviews with protesters I have seen, their objections are rather incoherent and also based mostly on ignorance.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		this is the view from afar since im not in the midst of whats going on, but I have very little to no sense at all that people are protesting out of fear, but rather, that they are self-entitled, immature little totalitarians who didn't get their way.

alternatively, that its just something cool to do and they really wouldn't be able to articulate a solid reason as to why/what they are really protesting.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 4:59:18 PM   
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And BTW...there's another group that may not have any reason to fear Trump in the way that many on the left apparently do.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Funny how these moments cannot be found in most media outlets' coverage of Trump.

holding the flag for a second is not anything translated to real.
If as he says Pence is gonna run that actual political machine, then thats cooked. If he appoints supreme court justices who will uphold 'religious liberty' as it is being used today as a load of asswipe....
So either he has lied if Pence doesnt run it, or he has lied if he appoints justices that will allow the bigotry.

Not his first lie.

But look him holding that flag, and it was on ALL the media outlets LIVE and in nightly reporting....
is about like Nixon giving Elvis the junior-gman badge, a criminal taking a photo op with a drug addict.




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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 5:02:20 PM   
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this is the view from afar since im not in the midst of whats going on, but I have very little to no sense at all that people are protesting out of fear, but rather, that they are self-entitled, immature little totalitarians who didn't get their way.

alternatively, that its just something cool to do and they really wouldn't be able to articulate a solid reason as to why/what they are really protesting.


Based on what I've seen, I would totally agree with that.

I think the whole "we're afraid" argument is an excuse, because it's a politically correct motivation for being order to justify this crap. In reality I think it comes down to a sense of self-entitled "special little snowflake" syndrome and temper tantrums because people who never learned to deal with disappointment not getting their way. I think that's why when you look at the pictures, it's primarily white middle class (college student?) types that are running amok at the moment... The people who supposedly really ought to be afraid at the moment (according to the Left) aren't represented nearly as much as privileged white suburban kids (even though the media is really good at picking out the token minority for the pictures, if you look at the broad shots of the crowds, it's not them who are primarily on the street).

In essence I think what we're seeing is a side-effect of America's attitude of "Everybody gets a ribbon for participation. Nobody ever wins or loses at anything. Everybody is special in their own way and needs to be sheltered from any kind of comparison that makes it clear somebody did better than the rest." that kid are fed here these days... the young folk are conditioned to never expect things to not go their way.
It's also why I think the Right wouldn't have rioted had they lost... not because they're better than the left, but because that attitude of "not being able to cope with lost" isn't as prevalent -yet- in the country as it is the cities.
People here still protest when the school holds random athletic events for kids, and refuse to call somebody a 'winner' in front of the school (though it's starting to change here too).

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 5:03:42 PM   
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What's more, based on the interviews with protesters I have seen, their objections are rather incoherent and also based mostly on ignorance.


That mirrors Trump's policies as he's spelled them out to date - incoherent and based on ignorance. We fundamentally don't know what we're going to get with a Trump presidency.

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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 5:04:18 PM   
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RE: Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threat... - 11/10/2016 5:05:51 PM   
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this is the view from afar since im not in the midst of whats going on, but I have very little to no sense at all that people are protesting out of fear, but rather, that they are self-entitled, immature little totalitarians who didn't get their way.

alternatively, that its just something cool to do and they really wouldn't be able to articulate a solid reason as to why/what they are really protesting.

He has said what he has said, and people are protesting out of fear. Nobody in the nutsucker camp has articulated any solid reason for anything, so thats sort of a non issue.

Protesting has been a right in this country since the Boston Tea Party, and those self-entitled whiney immature communist bitches.

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