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Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 10:28:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Parhaps Trump was right, the elections are rigged. Al Gore won more votes than George Bush and Hillary Clinton won more votes in the Popular Votes process. The Popular Vote represents the true winner. One person, one vote. Whoever gets the most votes, wins. Its that simple. The current system does need an overhaul. Do away with the Electoral College process and actually make elections fair and square.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 2:53:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		each state is only allowed a certain number of electors, trump never bothered stopping at california which is where the overage in the popular vote is coming from and only by 100,000 n change. gotta give him credit he played to win and won

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 3:34:49 PM   
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The Popular Vote represents the true winner. One person, one vote. Whoever gets the most votes, wins. Its that simple.

Focus on the phrase, "united states". Meditate on it. Break it down: "united" + "states". The popular vote in each of the states determines who wins that state's Electors. Why would you think it shouldn't?

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 3:41:03 PM   
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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 3:43:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 3:49:29 PM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

maybe it was an exercise in tollerence

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 3:52:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

The Popular Vote represents the true winner. One person, one vote. Whoever gets the most votes, wins. Its that simple.

Focus on the phrase, "united states". Meditate on it. Break it down: "united" + "states". The popular vote in each of the states determines who wins that state's Electors. Why would you think it shouldn't?

K.


There are some that hold to the original pact and allocate the electors. Not many. couple of states.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:05:53 PM   
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Parhaps Trump was right, the elections are rigged. Al Gore won more votes than George Bush and Hillary Clinton won more votes in the Popular Votes process. The Popular Vote represents the true winner. One person, one vote. Whoever gets the most votes, wins. Its that simple. The current system does need an overhaul. Do away with the Electoral College process and actually make elections fair and square.

You realize that Ike would have been president till 64 with all the recount that woul have follwed.
And Clinton would have stated on till 2004 since the recounts and challenges.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:30:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

The Popular Vote represents the true winner. One person, one vote. Whoever gets the most votes, wins. Its that simple.

Focus on the phrase, "united states". Meditate on it. Break it down: "united" + "states". The popular vote in each of the states determines who wins that state's Electors. Why would you think it shouldn't?

K.


In a state that is solidly red, or a state that is solidly blue, if you belong to the other party your vote is never counted under the present electoral system. But the idea of one person, one vote doesn't really work either. Under that system a few of the largest cities around the country would control the vote. More rural places would have very little say.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:34:19 PM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

maybe it was an exercise in tollerence

There's a whole lotta tolerance that needs to happen now.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:38:57 PM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

maybe it was an exercise in tollerence

There's a whole lotta tolerance that needs to happen now.

Exactly

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:41:23 PM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it.

I suspect they would. And I also suspect that Trump supporters would not be

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:45:25 PM   
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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/9/2016 5:47:26 PM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

maybe it was an exercise in tollerence

There's a whole lotta tolerance that needs to happen now.

It would make a nice change. :)

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 1:34:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		All this electoral college shit is because of the nature of the country.. States used to be considered damnear countries in the past so that is how it is set up. In fact there was a tie when you did not vote for senators, your state legislature would appoint them. You did however vote directly for members of the house.

There have been calls for direct voting for the President but that is easier said than done.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 1:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's interesting now that, 2 republican candidates have lost popular and won electoral.

But electoral in this race was not even close. Trump won by a respectable margin!

I gotta go with , due to the differing cultures and beliefs of all the different states in the US.

Popular vote will not be fair for that country. Blue states will keep winning.



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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 1:51:33 AM   
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All this electoral college shit is because of the nature of the country.. States used to be considered damnear countries in the past so that is how it is set up. In fact there was a tie when you did not vote for senators, your state legislature would appoint them. You did however vote directly for members of the house.

Personally, I think that's the way is should be. The People's house is the House of Representative. The Senate is the States' house. The way it is now deprives our state governments of representation in Congress. If I recall correctly, there were issues with Governors appointing crony Senators. A reasonable objection. Better then to have them elected by the state legislature; or maybe having one appointed and one elected would strike a fairer balance. But leaving the State governments with no representation at all was a step too far in my opinion.

K.


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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 1:53:38 AM   
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If Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, her supporters would be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.


This is speculation, but I agree with the second part.
The real problem is the two party system.

People deserve better choices that the conniving neoliberal vs. the boorish fascist.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 1:57:46 AM   
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People deserve better choices that the conniving neoliberal vs. the boorish fascist.

There is zero two party system.

The problem is, nobody bothers voting other parties.

Through democracy, it ends up the people always choosing the same old same old two parties.

They could have voted for anybody.

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RE: Popular Vote vs Electoral College - 11/10/2016 2:02:34 AM   
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There is zero two party system.

The problem is, nobody bothers voting other parties.

Through democracy, it ends up the people always choosing the same old same old two parties.

They could have voted for anybody.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system

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