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ORIGINAL: tamaka
The only way the electoral college could be taken away is if we dissolve all of the states and just be one country without the state power.
Is that such a bad thing??
Instantly avoids the confusion of which laws apply where, depending which state you're in.
Completely abolishes the two-tier legal system saving billions of dollars.
A simple one-man-one-vote proportional representation voting system; the one with most votes wins the pot.
The police can continue chasing a villain across state boundaries because they'd have equal jurisdiction anywhere in the country.
No need to abolish the states at all - just 'incorporate' them into 'America' as a single country as areas or counties rather than independent states.
Yes. Yes it would be such a bad thing. Would it have been better if all the EU member-states had dissolved to form just one country?
It has, pretty much.
Although each country acts autonomously and has its own laws, the ultimate law and power is with the European parliament and the ultimate redress is with the EU courts.
In essence, "Europe" is a super-state, not unlike the Federal level in the US.
It makes laws and fiscal decisions that affect all the member countries of the EU.
And for any and all laws that pass through the European parliament have to have a majority vote and agreement across all members.
But one overriding rule, and a condition of joining, is that no country can make any law that contravenes or supersedes those of the EU.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Each State is to be concerned with the lives, liberties, and properties of it's citizens, internal order (of the State), and prosperity of the State. The powers of the Federal Government also included the ability to regulate commerce "among the several states," which wasn't intended to be more than being arbiter for disputes between or among States (depending on the quantity of States in the dispute).
The two-tier legal system demonstrates the escalation process. Getting rid of States and State-level legal system won't reduce the legal system all that much, as the Federal courts would have to assume the duties the State courts were performing. Unless there is an actual glut of judges, the amount of work for a judge won't change as the caseload won't change.
The legal system wouldn't change much at all except that local judges wouldn't have the final say as they do currently.
I wouldn't advocate getting rid of the states nor the state-level legal system and that's not what I said.
But it would iron out quite a lot of local problems, including the jurisdiction of the police.
That, in and of itself, should reduce the cost of such things and also smooth some operations.
You can have a successful two-tier system as long as there are clear definitions and the lower level capitulates completely to the upper level (just like Europe has).
That isn't the case in the US and as usual, it's a hotch-potch situation not very well planned or thought out.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
With the US being as widespread as it is, it's nearly impossible for one level of government to know what the needs of the citizens are in every locality. Even a "Regional" government comprised of multiple states wouldn't be close enough to know what each of it's localities needs.
And as I've said, more than once, I don't advocate getting rid of the states or their legal system.
Leave the local day-to-day running to local enforcement.
Also, compare it with Australia which is virtually the same size as north America.
They don't have completely independent laws for each area in Australia.
I know you are going to come up with the numbers argument, but the number of people in an area doesn't make any difference whatsoever as to how the laws are structured and applied.
The French, Italians and Spanish already have two-tier law systems inside the EU.
So it's not as ridiculous as it seems to have multiple level legal systems that work very well together.
Unfortunately, the US model is a shambles and causes more problems than it solves.
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I still find it amazing that there are non-US Citizens outside the US (I suppose "outside North America" would be more accurate) that think they know best for the US. Simply astonishing.
You seem to forget, I lived there for over 8 months - and not as a tourist.
I have a little more insight than the average armchair commando.
I also garnered opinions from other Americans who are sick and tired of the way things are done over there.
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