Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: Black Student Savagely Beats Up White Student For Supporting Trump (11/13/2016 8:14:02 AM)
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ORIGINAL: bounty44 sorry---"religion" is not predicated on a heightened sense of emotion nor does one anecdote a case make. Surely you jest. You familiar with being caught up in the spirit, revivals, whirling dervish, Salem witch trials, faith healing........ Are you being willfully obtuse or really that naive? cut with the superior attitude please, especially as you know nothing about me. that religion has emotional experiences involved in it does not mean it is predicated on it. see the difference? I could stop right there as that should be enough but... that said, a number of things about "being caught up in the spirit"---one is, that is predominantly a Christian phrase/experience. ive not seen/read/heard anything about muslims, hindus, jews, etc, being "caught up in the spirit. they are religious too. second, even in the Christian faith, this is a rarity. most believers do not/have not/will not experience this and don't talk about it in their daily faith lives. third, spiritual things do not equal emotional things. when people say god is a spirit they aren't saying god is emotions. spirit refers to an animating force distinct from the body. spiritual refers to things not of the body or the world. being caught up in the spirit refers to a communion with god that is not based on physical things. can emotions be a part of that? yes, but being caught up in the spirit is not dependent on emotions, nor is the experience selective in that it only comes to people who are more emotional than their peers. as far as "whirling dervish"---gee, how many dervishes are there compared to just everyday normal old muslims? one in a few million? I trust you get that point? that said, the religious ecstasy that the dervishes pursue or experience is an end product of their devotion, not the genesis of it. a revival is a re-awakening of interest. that certain people experience emotion as a part of revivals is no different than people experiencing emotions in any other part of life when they are getting reacquainted with aspects of their life in which distance has opened up. if I see a long lost friend and we renew our friendship, are we happy, yes, but the revival is not based merely or even predominantly on emotion. its based on a host of things, namely shared experiences, mutual affection and respect. and sorry, affection and respect does not equal emotion either. witch trials? lets see, in essence how are they any different than the bad jurisprudence that occurs outside of religion? that is, they are motivated by immoral desires (no that does not equal emotion either) to retain power, punish enemies, exert control, purify populations, etc. faith healing? excuse me? belief that god can heal through prayer is not an emotion. its a belief. and its a belief based on either the historical record of the bible, particular passages in the bible, and some people's life experiences. regardless, faith is a virtue, not an emotion. speaking for the Christian faith---whats at the heart of it is a love of god. yes there is emotion involved but its also a volitional act of the will that is no different than that given in other relationships. so, sorry, the liberal, communist, socialist, collectivists---whatever you want to call them, experience the same thing in relation to their children and parents, as do believers with god. so to call one side "more emotional" based on its deeper engagement with religion is to completely miss that point. never mind that there are indeed people who identify on the left who are believers also. as a part of this--though you didn't say it, its heavily implied that because of their involvement in religion/belief in god, that the people on the right are therefore less "scientific" is absurd. the two spheres of life are not exclusive, and rather in fact, inform each other. lastly, what to do with the liberals and other democrats who believe? traitors to the scientific cause the lot of them right? there are no liberal churches in America after all. so---hows that for obtuse and naïve?? oh---and go back to the chart ive posted twice here, showing how the left scores higher on the "F" part of the personality tests. yes I get that personality testing isn't hard science, yes I get that "F", how its interpreted doesn't totally mean "feelings/emotion", but if you want to talk about meaningful differences between left and right when it comes to these sorts of things, its a better place to start than your blanket assertion. So in conclusion, we are all more alike than any of us want to admit.
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