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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:13:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just bear in mind that the Confederacy was seen as a waste of space back then, whereas California contributes to the economy: it's where all those Mexican rapists and crooks sneak into the country to steal jobs from Americans and cut business overheads.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:14:39 AM   
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When you really come down to brass tacks... times haven't changed that much... believe me. ; )



Ah, maybe y'all are right, my optimism can be a failing at times.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:15:32 AM   
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If you haven't seen the film watch it 10/10...did that bloke ever act again after that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDlZ_SXx5gA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio

All that aside I am curious as to how they can start the process within a legal framework

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:18:08 AM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:25:21 AM   
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If they want to leave us, more power to them. If they want to make a new country, have at it. Frankly, all of their water and resources come from here. I'm sure my taxes would go down when they have to buy our water rather than take it via regulation from us. They do have the power of regulation because they have the population. They'd be short sighted to ignore that because, frankly, most of the state wouldn't go, they'd just form a left over red state and trade food and water for technology. Since the actuall technology is built overseas, we'd most probably be able to cut out the middleman with some form of a technological Wall Mart importing stuff made in Asia. I'd vote for it.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:36:16 AM   
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It's not viable.

Once it is no longer a part of the United States - all the military would leave along with all of the defense contractors. Cities like San Diego would take a huge hit economically. A lot of tech businesses would leave rather than pay a tariff to export into the United States. (Think Apple) California gets a portion of it's water from other states. NFL and NBA would leave (NHL and MLB have out of country teams). Some airlines would pull out and those that offices here would remove them. Travel out of California would require a passport (possibly a Visa) and system to produce them. Currency, postal system, consumerism, etc etc.

They have no idea of the logistics.

Yep.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 12:29:12 PM   
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<snip> the Trump we have seen on the campaign trail was mostly a donned persona; he saw an underlying unhappiness and told the people what they wanted to hear exactly the way they wanted to hear it. Those people may have a serious case of buyers remorse when Trump turns out to be much more moderate on many issues than he has let on in the last 365 days.

While I rarely agree with you on much, I cant disagree with you here.
Seeing that Ryan is proposing privatising medicare again, there may well be problems down that road between Trump and Ryan.
His "proposed" transition team are washington insiders, rumours abound.


Sorry for the semi hijack.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:33:19 PM   
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While I rarely agree with you on much, I cant disagree with you here.


I agree with you on the rare occasion, as well. You are passionate in your beliefs and cogent in your arguments. I always look forward to our disagreements.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:38:43 PM   
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It's not viable.

Once it is no longer a part of the United States - all the military would leave along with all of the defense contractors. Cities like San Diego would take a huge hit economically. A lot of tech businesses would leave rather than pay a tariff to export into the United States. (Think Apple) California gets a portion of it's water from other states. NFL and NBA would leave (NHL and MLB have out of country teams). Some airlines would pull out and those that offices here would remove them. Travel out of California would require a passport (possibly a Visa) and system to produce them. Currency, postal system, consumerism, etc etc.

They have no idea of the logistics.

Minor point but the NBA has a team in Canada.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:40:36 PM   
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How's your military?

You do not hold the necessary security clearance in the country of CA to have access to that information. ;D No one does.

I would think something could be worked out in regard to what is already here..the largest federal military force in the country is in CA.

You weren't thinking about dropping a bomb on us were ya? :D

We don't want a coup and we aren't forming one. If the masses don't want this..it wont happen but let's face it..the kids don't always stay together just because the parents want the brothers and sisters to get along.

There is a lot of red in CA..not in the Silicon vallley..but a large part of the rural areas are red and Trump got a lot of votes here..this is a long shot by any stretch..but I promise that until there is something of a viable interest to be seen..the details are not so specific. We would use the same American dollars and such.. most stuff is going to stay pretty California fresh.

I am not qualified to answer questions but I can put you in touch with those who are too a point..if you are truly interested.

If you are looking for the adult prototype of an "idea" in its infancy..that's not going to happen. The blueprints are still being drawn..the house has yet to be built. The vision..murky..but I find the idea is interesting and I want to know more about it and, perhaps help..not sure if I want to help build it or kill it yet though.

If Ca left the union I would expect eastern CA to leave CA.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:43:36 PM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:44:25 PM   
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ah the Princess Bride a true masterpiece

If you haven't seen the film watch it 10/10...did that bloke ever act again after that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDlZ_SXx5gA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio

All that aside I am curious as to how they can start the process within a legal framework

You mean Cary Elwes? Men in tights and Twister just to name a couple.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:46:14 PM   
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They can't, which is why there was a civil war back in the 1860s.

Actually there seems to be a legal process but it requires permission from the central government.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:48:39 PM   
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Wouldn't there be the off-chance that if Cali left the Union, the military and the airlines et al, might want to lease all those properties from CA ? It would then possibly be profitable or at least break even for CA. No ?

Possible.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:51:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		And there would still be the personnel on those bases and the need for suppliers TO those bases, so Cali wouldn't lose by it at all maybe ? The same goes for the airlines etc. Especially if Cali insists on them employing a large or small percentage of local labour.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:54:59 PM   
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Just bear in mind that the Confederacy was seen as a waste of space back then, whereas California contributes to the economy: it's where all those Mexican rapists and crooks sneak into the country to steal jobs from Americans and cut business overheads.

You're actually correct, even being a wise ass. Well, blind pigs and acorns.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp


1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:56:15 PM   
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And there would still be the personnel on those bases and the need for suppliers TO those bases, so Cali wouldn't lose by it at all maybe ? The same goes for the airlines etc. Especially if Cali insists on them employing a large or small percentage of local labour.

All of that depends in part on the degree of hostility involved in the separation. a

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 4:57:57 PM   
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Wouldn't there be the off-chance that if Cali left the Union, the military and the airlines et al, might want to lease all those properties from CA ? It would then possibly be profitable or at least break even for CA. No ?

We'd make them pay to be members of NATO and then make them wonder if we actually would have their back.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 5:14:57 PM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 5:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, and I haven't looked at it in years, they can leave the nation in the same basic process as they joined. Referendum then petion congress and signed off by POTUS.

Assuming they do leave, I would hope that when the Federal Government walked out, they take every federally owned stick, brick, and piece of equipment and cancel all the contractrs with any company left in Cali at that point. Leave them nothing but barron dirt.

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