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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 6:02:12 PM   
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Actually, and I haven't looked at it in years, they can leave the nation in the same basic process as they joined. Referendum then petion congress and signed off by POTUS.

Assuming they do leave, I would hope that when the Federal Government walked out, they take every federally owned stick, brick, and piece of equipment and cancel all the contractrs with any company left in Cali at that point. Leave them nothing but barron dirt.

I would think that the leftists on here would want the same harsh treatment for Ca that they have insisted on here for any more conservative state where leaving has been mentioned.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 10:16:12 PM   
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I think it is viable...as i have said many times I think he will be impeached...and strangely fascinated if this will occur before/or after he steps in the white house...he is so going to steal the silverwear.

No idea how states work at local level - Councils we have here.


Impeaching Trump is a great idea! Except then we're stuck with Pence, who is worse in every conceivable way.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 10:21:58 PM   
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Actually, and I haven't looked at it in years, they can leave the nation in the same basic process as they joined. Referendum then petion congress and signed off by POTUS.

Assuming they do leave, I would hope that when the Federal Government walked out, they take every federally owned stick, brick, and piece of equipment and cancel all the contractrs with any company left in Cali at that point. Leave them nothing but barron dirt.

I would think that the leftists on here would want the same harsh treatment for Ca that they have insisted on here for any more conservative state where leaving has been mentioned.


Attempts to undermine the Union could be seen as treason, certainly for the leaders of such a movement.

California needs to stfu though. They did give us Reagan, after all. It's hard to bitch about a reality tv star being President when we had an actor with a monkey.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 10:30:53 PM   
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I think it is viable...as i have said many times I think he will be impeached...and strangely fascinated if this will occur before/or after he steps in the white house...he is so going to steal the silverwear.

No idea how states work at local level - Councils we have here.


Impeaching Trump is a great idea! Except then we're stuck with Pence, who is worse in every conceivable way.

Should you wait till he is in office and does something, anything, before you ask for his impeachment? At least you don't thing that he, like Clinton is above the law.

As for Pence, he is the best of the 4, by for.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 10:44:13 PM   
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Is it viable and can they do it?

Curious when you think about it as Farage was there at one of many Turnips mob gatherings, claiming the credit for Brexit - yes our halfwits voted for it for they were fed a load of codswallop...Well the English did, and wales you shamed me Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to remain.


I'm not sure it's legal. But then again neither was the 13 colonies leaving the crown. But they did it. Now can they succeed? Maybe. If they want it bad enough to die for it if need be. I don't think they are. I think after it makes its way to the courts it'll be crushed. Then the Feds will play hard ball. California will grumble then fall in line.

But as things go, California would be a state that could pull it off. They have their own ports. Their own foods, access to Mexico for all kinds of cheap goods.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/12/2016 11:10:31 PM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 8:12:45 AM   
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Is it viable and can they do it?

Curious when you think about it as Farage was there at one of many Turnips mob gatherings, claiming the credit for Brexit - yes our halfwits voted for it for they were fed a load of codswallop...Well the English did, and wales you shamed me Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to remain.


I'm not sure it's legal. But then again neither was the 13 colonies leaving the crown. But they did it. Now can they succeed? Maybe. If they want it bad enough to die for it if need be. I don't think they are. I think after it makes its way to the courts it'll be crushed. Then the Feds will play hard ball. California will grumble then fall in line.

But as things go, California would be a state that could pull it off. They have their own ports. Their own foods, access to Mexico for all kinds of cheap goods.

Most of the state, by land mass, is deeply red. Those areas would not be interested in leaving with the coast. In fact, those areas are now trying to form a separate state away from CA. Those areas are where the food and water comes from. The new country may have ports but it won't have food or any natural resources.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 8:59:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		California is overdue and that will set of the Cascadia...jigsaws I used to always do when of work ill (how was I to know back then it was CFS/ME) and sciency waffle, well when I had a brain...do you remember you jam a bit in the bottom right hand corner (NZ that was more that was knee trembler today) and a bit pops out on the left....I suppose they could wait 100 millions years or so and they will be at alaska/russia. But these are time of action, and the mob require it now.

Whoremods You know how that works here, the indy thingy. However, i no idea how that works over there, or how the wheel is set in motion.

No two people ever see the same thing....but we can see similar...I see something abhorrent that should never have gotten this far. Yet it did.....No issue with Pence, Turnips family ( his immigrant wife is rather tidy)

And, I only found out this week how populous California was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population in conjunction with I understand only ~23% of the eligible electorate chose creature – astonishing given his CV…so ive become fascinated with the most powerful man on earth – which is president of America, well at least for the next decade or two.





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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 11:34:18 AM   
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I think it is viable...as i have said many times I think he will be impeached...and strangely fascinated if this will occur before/or after he steps in the white house...he is so going to steal the silverwear.

No idea how states work at local level - Councils we have here.


Impeaching Trump is a great idea! Except then we're stuck with Pence, who is worse in every conceivable way.

He has better hair, at least.


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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 8:49:19 PM   
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It's not viable.

Once it is no longer a part of the United States - all the military would leave along with all of the defense contractors. Cities like San Diego would take a huge hit economically. A lot of tech businesses would leave rather than pay a tariff to export into the United States. (Think Apple) California gets a portion of it's water from other states. NFL and NBA would leave (NHL and MLB have out of country teams). Some airlines would pull out and those that offices here would remove them. Travel out of California would require a passport (possibly a Visa) and system to produce them. Currency, postal system, consumerism, etc etc.

They have no idea of the logistics.


As someone else already pointed out, the NBA also has an out of country team. Why exactly would the NFL pull out of California just because it leaves the US? A lot of money was spent bringing the Rams back to LA. It will still be a very large market. This would be coming to a vote around time their brand new stadium will be completed. Will they really leave then? Move back to St. Louis? Will Californians suddenly stop watching football just because of secession? The NFL isn't opposed to multi countries though it doesn't want to compete with the CFL in Canada as it currently serves as an unofficial minor league for the NFL. The NFL still keeps trying to bring the NFL to Europe, especially London, even though NFL Europe failed and there are severe time zone issues especially for the West Coast. 6am start, yeah like anyone is going to get up early on a Sunday to watch that...

I'm still a little on the fence on the CalExit, maybe even more so now that many conservatives seem to welcome it...


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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 9:02:13 PM   
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Just bear in mind that the Confederacy was seen as a waste of space back then, whereas California contributes to the economy: it's where all those Mexican rapists and crooks sneak into the country to steal jobs from Americans and cut business overheads.


At the time cotton was 60% of US exports, total exports of the US being 2/3 from the south. NE manufacturers made nothing as well as Britain or European countries of the day and didn't export much. Foreign imports went to the south more than elsewhere and the heavy tariffs thereby paid for massive subsidies to northern businesses and ports.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/13/2016 9:16:44 PM   
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Just bear in mind that the Confederacy was seen as a waste of space back then, whereas California contributes to the economy: it's where all those Mexican rapists and crooks sneak into the country to steal jobs from Americans and cut business overheads.


At the time cotton was 60% of US exports, total exports of the US being 2/3 from the south. NE manufacturers made nothing as well as Britain or European countries of the day and didn't export much. Foreign imports went to the south more than elsewhere and the heavy tariffs thereby paid for massive subsidies to northern businesses and ports.

All that is true but I wanted to leave her some delusions.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 5:51:42 AM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 6:33:34 AM   
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Is it viable and can they do it?



But as things go, California would be a state that could pull it off. They have their own ports. Their own foods, access to Mexico for all kinds of cheap goods.

And if Washington and Oregon go with them US loses access to the pacific and becomes land locked on one side. California has its issues as do all states but I would take any of the three on the left over any other state. Not an advocate for breaking off but don't discount the power that the area has. They push solar and desalination to become more self-sufficient... this becomes a whole new ball game.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 6:38:21 AM   
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If a tiny country like mine can survive breaking up from Malaysia. We are so small, we are a dot in the map.

Surely California can find a way to survive.

I mean, California is soo much larger than us, they are probably bigger than the UK.

So if smaller countries can survive. So can California.

Just DO IT! They got the population, they got the economy.

Build a Military up from scratch, that's what new countries do.


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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 9:09:56 AM   
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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 12:23:08 PM   
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Wouldn't there be the off-chance that if Cali left the Union, the military and the airlines et al, might want to lease all those properties from CA ? It would then possibly be profitable or at least break even for CA. No ?



Well, the issue would be that the many of the bases in San Diego are the training bases...so they would either closed or be shrunk drastically. Camp Pendelton (the largest in the world), MCAS Miramar, MCRD, and Naval Base Coronado (home to several SEAL teams and BUDS training).

Also, there are 32 active military bases in California. There isn't any single foreign country in which we have that many bases.

The naval shipyards would close down, because Navy ships aren't built in foreign countries.

US Airlines would pull the majority of their reservation staff out of a foreign country, and go to minimum staff required for that airport with maybe a small sales/reservation office (which is how they operate their foreign hubs). They would also most likely, switch from LAX and SFO being their International Gateway Hubs. Airlines like Spirit and Virgin America would pull out because they've not been granted the right to fly to a foreign country. So, while most airlines would still service California, it wouldn't be on the same level as they do now. (And it would require major changes to the airport terminals, since it would now be international travel)

What many people outside of this state don't realize is that California is very, very diverse. The big cities control the elections but many, many other areas are conservative. I think the more viable strategy would be to break it up into smaller states. A la the Six Californias



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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 2:14:46 PM   
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Is it viable and can they do it?



But as things go, California would be a state that could pull it off. They have their own ports. Their own foods, access to Mexico for all kinds of cheap goods.

And if Washington and Oregon go with them US loses access to the pacific and becomes land locked on one side. California has its issues as do all states but I would take any of the three on the left over any other state. Not an advocate for breaking off but don't discount the power that the area has. They push solar and desalination to become more self-sufficient... this becomes a whole new ball game.

Are you serious? Do you see what the lefties are doing to the desalination projects? I can accept you want to stay with your people and split off with them if they go, but at least understand what you'll be going to.

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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 2:25:23 PM   
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If a tiny country like mine can survive breaking up from Malaysia. We are so small, we are a dot in the map.

Surely California can find a way to survive.

I mean, California is soo much larger than us, they are probably bigger than the UK.

So if smaller countries can survive. So can California.
It would actually be easier is California was smaller. But the reality is that CA is very diverse, there are some very definite areas that would not be behind CalExit and without them the state couldn't survive.

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Just DO IT! They got the population, they got the economy.
We don't have the economy. We have a massive pension fund hanging over our heads that is projected to be around $200 billion within 4 years. Some of the big, old money would leave. The tech companies would face big tariffs to sell their product to the US - so they'd most likely move to friendlier territory. We're in a drought and buy our water from other states. We have a large illegal immigrant population that costs the state $25.3 billion per year (as of 2014) and they pay little or no taxes. Loss of military personnel would mean big losses of money. etc. etc.

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Build a Military up from scratch, that's what new countries do.

Well, first they'd have to build up creditable currency and a bond rating before any one would be willing to sell them any weapons. Ships and planes are expensive.


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RE: Is CalExit viable - 11/14/2016 2:42:47 PM   
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California has the 5th, or 6th biggest economy the world...fek

I wonder how large their economy will be if the US Govt pulled out and cancelled it's defense contracts

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