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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/22/2016 7:27:05 PM

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/22/2016 10:26:40 PM

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Firstly, we're no longer colonies of a foreign power.

Colony of a foriegn power?
The founders were britt citizens.
Just as the protestor/extortionist are amerikan citizens who live in colonies/states governed by federal government

You can't extract behavior from it's context.

The behaviour is in it's exact context. The britt citizens in the colony/state of amerika petitioned the state (g.b.) for a redress of their greviences.
Please play your word games with the children in your neighborhood...they do not work with me as you should well know.

Name the Members elected by the colonies to represent them in Parliament.

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Why would that be relevant?

Because equating the current protests to the founding of America is bullshit. The colonists weren't protesting the outcome of an election that they themselves had held in accordance with their own laws. The contrast I drew stands, and the only person playing word games is you.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/22/2016 11:44:30 PM

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Since the president elect has more people that voted against him than for him, I am somewhat inclined to see the association. No taxation without representation and that sort of thing.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 12:58:23 AM

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Since the president elect has more people that voted against him than for him, I am somewhat inclined to see the association. No taxation without representation and that sort of thing.

Except that today we have options the colonists didn't have, because we do in fact have representation, and if we don't like the way the Electoral College works we can petition our representatives to change it, or if necessary elect ones who will. In my opinion, people blocking businesses and obstructing thoroughfares, disrupting the course of life for everyone who crosses their path, are just making a nuisance of themselves.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 1:25:28 AM

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protests are guaranteed under the constitution by our right to redress our grievances.

And in other news, the sky is blue. Did I say it wasn't?

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the sky is not blue and the constitution neither grants nor guarantees rights. your 'right' to redress has been reduced to mere privilege at the convenience of the gubmint.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 1:29:17 AM

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we have 12 pages of protest posts, and no one has mentioned standing rock.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 1:29:51 AM

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Since the president elect has more people that voted against him than for him, I am somewhat inclined to see the association. No taxation without representation and that sort of thing.

Except that today we have options the colonists didn't have, because we do in fact have representation, and if we don't like the Electoral College we can petition our Senators and Representatives to change it, or if necessary elect ones who will. In my opinion, people blocking businesses and obstructing thoroughfares, disrupting the course of life for everyone who crosses their path, are just making a nuisance of themselves.

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just because there is a body and a title does not mean the duties are adhered to and carried out.

We have lip service, not representation, if you believe we have representation prove it.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 1:40:19 AM

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Firstly, we're no longer colonies of a foreign power.

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good luck proving that, I know, amend the constitution to repeal the section about obligations of the united states, but warn me first so I can move to antartica to avoid the fallout.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 1:57:30 AM

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we have 12 pages of protest posts, and no one has mentioned standing rock.

I just read the Wikipedia entry on Standing Rock. To see that kind of treatment of Native American peoples continuing even to this day was disgusting and depressing. But I don't see a connection to the post-election "protests" wracking out cities. Shit like Standing Rock merits a thread of its own.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 2:40:57 AM

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No, I am not suggesting it was connected to trumps protests. My bad :) I have been following it for a while now, more on facebook and in the news, but I read a news report this morning about a woman losing her arm at the latest clusterfuck.
When I have a few minutes, I will start a thread
I agree with you whole heartedly
Present company excepted(thats you) I really dont see the point with the open racist trump base posting their ignorance lately.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 5:03:42 AM

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No, I am not suggesting it was connected to trumps protests. My bad :) I have been following it for a while now, more on facebook and in the news, but I read a news report this morning about a woman losing her arm at the latest clusterfuck.
When I have a few minutes, I will start a thread
I agree with you whole heartedly
Present company excepted(thats you) I really dont see the point with the open racist trump base posting their ignorance lately.

I have relatives that side with standing rock, and some of them are relatives 'in the business', and I have relatives who build pipelines. My facebook feeds are not funny these days. I do think that the police out there shooting water cannons and injuring all those people in the sub zero temps would be valid reason to those shoot cops though as self defence. The officials up and down the line that planned it and those that executed it or stood idly by should be tried for attempted murder to the last man.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 5:51:11 AM

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Firstly, we're no longer colonies of a foreign power.

Colony of a foriegn power?
The founders were britt citizens.
Just as the protestor/extortionist are amerikan citizens who live in colonies/states governed by federal government

You can't extract behavior from it's context.

The behaviour is in it's exact context. The britt citizens in the colony/state of amerika petitioned the state (g.b.) for a redress of their greviences.
Please play your word games with the children in your neighborhood...they do not work with me as you should well know.

Name the Members elected by the colonies to represent them in Parliament.

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Why would that be relevant?

Because equating the current protests to the founding of America is bullshit.

Both are seeking a redress of grievences so no it is not bullshit.

The colonists weren't protesting the outcome of an election that they themselves had held in accordance with their own laws.

Actually they were. Perhaps if you were to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you could be disabused of your ignorance.Bsasically it works like this. britt citizens are repreesented by parliment. Parliment passed some laws not to the liking of the rueling elite. From thence to the protest/extortion by the britt citizens in amerika.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 5:57:09 AM

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Except that today we have options the colonists didn't have,

What options are those?

because we do in fact have representation,

The britt citizens of amerika also had representation. It is called parliment.

and if we don't like the way the Electoral College works we can petition our representatives to change it, or if necessary elect ones who will.

Since that power exist only in theory and not in practice your statement is fatuous.

In my opinion, people blocking businesses and obstructing thoroughfares, disrupting the course of life for everyone who crosses their path, are just making a nuisance of themselves.

Just like them upity black folks sitting in seats at lunch counters and busses which were reserved for white people like you.
Your inconvenience has been noted by many including the scotus.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 6:23:48 AM

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The britt citizens of amerika also had representation. It is called parliment.

The colonies had no representation in the Westminster Parliament, which could burden them with taxes and indignities at will.

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and if we don't like the way the Electoral College works we can petition our representatives to change it, or if necessary elect ones who will.

Since that power exist only in theory and not in practice your statement is fatuous.

I was talking about the United States on Earth.

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In my opinion, people blocking businesses and obstructing thoroughfares, disrupting the course of life for everyone who crosses their path, are just making a nuisance of themselves.

Just like them upity black folks sitting in seats at lunch counters and busses which were reserved for white people like you.
Your inconvenience has been noted by many including the scotus.

Eat shit and die.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 6:28:04 AM

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The colonists weren't protesting the outcome of an election that they themselves had held in accordance with their own laws.

Actually they were. Perhaps if you were to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you could be disabused of your ignorance.Bsasically it works like this. britt citizens are repreesented by parliment. Parliment passed some laws not to the liking of the rueling elite. From thence to the protest/extortion by the britt citizens in amerika.

How many seats did the colonies have in Parliament?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 7:34:56 AM

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oh im sure they must have had bunches, therefore making one of the rallying slogans of the revolution "no taxation without representation" a conservative myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 9:06:04 AM

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The colonists weren't protesting the outcome of an election that they themselves had held in accordance with their own laws.

Actually they were. Perhaps if you were to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you could be disabused of your ignorance.Bsasically it works like this. britt citizens are repreesented by parliment. Parliment passed some laws not to the liking of the rueling elite. From thence to the protest/extortion by the britt citizens in amerika.

How many seats did the colonies have in Parliament?

K.

All of them, and I continue with the idea that the no taxation without representation idea I set forth earlier is valid. gerrymandered districts do not afford representation to most people. They are as virtual a representation as the house of commons and house of lords in the pre-revolution days.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 9:07:44 AM

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oh im sure they must have had bunches, therefore making one of the rallying slogans of the revolution "no taxation without representation" a conservative myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.

LOL, Wiki. So the nutsucker party then is incorrect in their aligning themselves with the actual patriots, because taxation was not an issue, happy to pay their share they were.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 11:03:25 AM

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The colonists weren't protesting the outcome of an election that they themselves had held in accordance with their own laws.

Actually they were. Perhaps if you were to acquire a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you could be disabused of your ignorance.Bsasically it works like this. britt citizens are repreesented by parliment. Parliment passed some laws not to the liking of the rueling elite. From thence to the protest/extortion by the britt citizens in amerika.

How many seats did the colonies have in Parliament?

K.

All of them, and I continue with the idea that the no taxation without representation idea I set forth earlier is valid. gerrymandered districts do not afford representation to most people. They are as virtual a representation as the house of commons and house of lords in the pre-revolution days.

Mental patient, you mean gerrymandered by republicans does not afford representation. Or can you give me a link to when one of your voices opposed it while democrats were doing it?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/23/2016 12:33:32 PM

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The britt citizens of amerika also had representation. It is called parliment.

The colonies had no representation in the Westminster Parliament, which could burden them with taxes and indignities at will.

Parliment had been "burdening" them with taxes since the begining. For more than 170 years parliment had laid taxes on the colonies. The difference was that until the end of the french and indian war the bill was sent to the govornor who took the tax out of the peoples pocket kept a "pinch" for himself and sent the rest along to the boss back home. After the french and indian war the tax was laid directly on the people...rich and poor alike...the rich took exception to that, thus the revolution.
You wont find that in one of your fifth grade history books...it is a little more advanced.

and if we don't like the way the Electoral College works we can petition our representatives to change it, or if necessary elect ones who will.

Since that power exist only in theory and not in practice your statement is fatuous.

I was talking about the United States on Earth.

Tell us then when it has happened here on earth.

In my opinion, people blocking businesses and obstructing thoroughfares, disrupting the course of life for everyone who crosses their path, are just making a nuisance of themselves.

Just like them upity black folks sitting in seats at lunch counters and busses which were reserved for white people like you.
Your inconvenience has been noted by many including the scotus.

Eat shit and die.

How erudite. You see the purpose of a protest is to let folks know how pissed you are. It is pretty obvious that you are moving from protesting my post to vulgarism and death threats. How "white" of you.

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