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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 5:54:37 AM   
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Just because Mexico borders the US, doesn't make it right for him to poke fun at and demonize the Mexican people.

And just because other countries are having migrant problems (of all races and religions), doesn't make it right that he only picked on Muslims to ban.
Not Jews, not Christians from that same area - only the Muslims.

Yes, he criticized some males, individually.
But he never made such sweeping critical statements about males like he did with women.
It was nowhere near "super equal" that you claim - not even close.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:04:03 AM   
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Such rose-tinted glasses, Greta.

Just because Mexico borders the US, doesn't make it right for him to poke fun at and demonize the Mexican people.

Can you quote his exact words actually doing that? Because he has done no such thing at all.
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And just because other countries are having migrant problems (of all races and religions), doesn't make it right that he only picked on Muslims to ban.
Not Jews, not Christians from that same area - only the Muslims.

Because it's Muslims who have a Beef to pick with the US, and not the Jews or the Christians. It's not Jewish or Christian organizations plotting large scale attacks against US.

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Yes, he criticized some males, individually.
But he never made such sweeping critical statements about males like he did with women.
It was nowhere near "super equal" that you claim - not even close.

What sweeping critical statement about a female are you referring to?

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:15:14 AM   
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2) He feels that the current system does not have the vetting strong enough. And there are terrorists among refugees. So all he said was halt all Muslims until they figure a better way to vet. Then everybody calls it xenophobia when there is a genuine problem that he is trying to fix in a very systematic and practical manner.


And why only Muslims?
There have been attacks in the US that had nothing to do with Muslims, yet he picked on just the Muslims for exclusion.
Hence the xenophobia label.



Because they are sending their masses all across the globe. They want to come here in mass quantities... and we don't know if that will be good for us or harmful to us.

I actually quite agree.
But that still doesn't make it right to pick on just ONE religion, culture or race to exclude.
There are many christians and other religions from that same war-torn area of the world.

So to isolate one religion would be against the constitution that allows freedom of religion (as per 1st amendment, 1791).


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:17:33 AM   
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So to isolate one religion would be against the constitution that allows freedom of religion (as per 1st amendment, 1791).

Which is also why US can never do what Germany has just done. Banned a Muslim religion, but only a specific branch of it. It would be like banning Mormons of Christianity.
They are actually limited by their laws to take some serious action.
So end of the day, Trump wants to halt all Muslim immigration, but it may not be legally possible over there.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:38:57 AM   
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Such rose-tinted glasses, Greta.

Just because Mexico borders the US, doesn't make it right for him to poke fun at and demonize the Mexican people.

Can you quote his exact words actually doing that? Because he has done no such thing at all.

Really??
Try looking here for his exact words where he said that Mexico were sending drugs, crime and rapists.

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And just because other countries are having migrant problems (of all races and religions), doesn't make it right that he only picked on Muslims to ban.
Not Jews, not Christians from that same area - only the Muslims.

Because it's Muslims who have a Beef to pick with the US, and not the Jews or the Christians. It's not Jewish or Christian organizations plotting large scale attacks against US.

Irrelevant.
Even if it were true, by banning just one religion would be against the 1st amendment of the constitution.
And that same video clip shows this too.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
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Yes, he criticized some males, individually.
But he never made such sweeping critical statements about males like he did with women.
It was nowhere near "super equal" that you claim - not even close.

What sweeping critical statement about a female are you referring to?

Not "a" female - females in general.
That he can grab women by the private parts and get away with it.
He doesn't do that with guys - or bragged about it.
When criticized for it, he always claimed the woman in question "wasn't pretty" or not his first choice.
He used phrases like 'fat pigs', 'slobs', 'dogs' etc for women that he didn't use with guys.
That same video clip also shows these comments.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:42:34 AM   
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So to isolate one religion would be against the constitution that allows freedom of religion (as per 1st amendment, 1791).

Which is also why US can never do what Germany has just done. Banned a Muslim religion, but only a specific branch of it. It would be like banning Mormons of Christianity.
They are actually limited by their laws to take some serious action.
So end of the day, Trump wants to halt all Muslim immigration, but it may not be legally possible over there.

Germany didn't ban a religion - only the terrorists or members of a terrorist group.
Trump wanted to ban all Muslims entering the US.
Not just terrorists - ALL Muslims.

Different ball of wax.
Obviously a distinction that you fail to recognise.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 6:58:57 AM   
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Trump wanted to ban all Muslims entering the US.
Not just terrorists - ALL Muslims.



Sorry. The Main Stream Media took this out of context (by cutting off the end of the quote) and the masses ate it up. The full sentence (without the bullshit edit of the MSM) is: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a ban on all Muslims entering our country until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

That was what he said and it was after (yet) another attack by a Muslim Extremist on innocent people.

The media sells it and the rank-and-file drones eat it up and puke it back out on command.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 7:37:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw the whole quote Michael.
He still wanted to stop ALL Muslims from entering the US.
The caveat he added at the end didn't include exceptions for any Muslim - just an indeterminate timeline.
That doesn't make it 'out of context' because I never alluded that it was a permanent thing.
But that is/was his position during the campaign and probably still is.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 7:56:43 AM   
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I saw the whole quote Michael.
He still wanted to stop ALL Muslims from entering the US.
The caveat he added at the end didn't include exceptions for any Muslim - just an indeterminate timeline.
That doesn't make it 'out of context' because I never alluded that it was a permanent thing.
But that is/was his position during the campaign and probably still is.



I never said YOU alluded to anything. I did say that the media took it out of context and "the good little soldiers" obediently regurgitated it.

He didn't "add a caveat". That was the full sentence. Putting parameters on a moratorium or an ultimatum is just defining exactly what the moratorium/ultimatum is.

I understand that YOU believe it was a damning indictment of President-Elect Trump, but that says more about your hatred of the President-Elect than it does about his actual statement.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:17:45 AM   
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While I never saw him sneer, that's in your own mind shame on you, he said what he said when a discussion of 12 million illigal immigrants from Mexico was the topic.

I saw it on several media outlets - both in the US and the UK.
Perhaps your idea of sneering and mine are different.
The topic was illegal immigrants.
The clown made it a topic on Mexicans in particular.

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I understand the left has thoughts they don't tolerate and that solving this problem in the U.S. Is one of those thoughts (because the left wants all of those votes) but if simply addressing a problem can't be discussed then I say the people making that a taboo point are the racists and not Trump.

I'm not a leftist.
It is a problem that needs to be solved, granted.
But to specifically make the Mexicans a target for his criticisms wasn't right.

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If you look at what actually occurred for your other examples, instead of rely on Hillary's identity politics you'll see you are just as wrong about them.

I watched everything that I could watch on the election right from the initial TV debate in the primaries.
I didn't particularly take sides with Hilary.
And considering more than half the international news was focused on Trump and his comments and inappropriate remarks against specific groups of people (Mexicans, Muslims and women), it is fair to say that I followed more Trump stuff than Hillary's.

Given the vitriolic rhetoric that passed between the pair of them over many debates, most of those personal remarks I tended to ignore.


Ah I see you got your facts from European news. Well, the NYT has already admitted they lied this whole election and have promised to re-dedicate itself to truth. We'll see how that goes. I'm sure all you saw was EU news picking up the admitted lies from US news. You might also consider that there are more illigal aliens here from Mexico than are here from all other nations combined. Here, illigal immigration and illigal immigration from Mexico are interchangeable comments. Of course you knew that from your 8 month stay here and you're just pretending not to get it.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:24:17 AM   
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[Trump] said what he said when a discussion of 12 million illigal [sic] immigrants from Mexico was the topic. I understand the left has thoughts they don't tolerate and that solving this problem in the U.S. Is one of those thoughts (because the left wants all of those votes)

Please forgive me but I wasn't aware that "12 million illigal immigrants from Mexico" were allowed to vote in US elections. I must have missed it whenever it was announced that they had been given the vote. Perhaps you could be kind enough to point out when they were given the vote so that I can refresh my memory ......

While you are at it, could you please explain how leftists who apparently aren't allowed to tolerate thoughts about solving this problem are somehow able to solve it by enfranchising the alleged "12 million illigal [sic] immigrants from Mexico" without, if you are to be believed, thinking about it?

All that sounds a bit magical to me - if your account of things is coherent. There seems to be one other explanation. Of course it's possible that you have just written a load of fictional rubbish but I am sure you wouldn't like to us to think that would you?




Well, if you were paying attention to anything outside your rectal cavity you'd have read where it's been discovered that 3 million illigal a did vote in this election. You'd know that there are leftist organizations that are helping them vote illegally. You'd know that why conservatives want picture ID's at the polls is not to suppress the black vote but to suppress the illigal vote. You'd have seen, or seen pictures of, illegals being bussed around to vote in various places. And, most of all you'd know that the leftist cry for "Comprehensive" immigration reform gives citizenship to those already here so they can vote. But, then since you do only get your information from approved and certified cavities, I'm not surprised you've missed all of that.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:29:28 AM   
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Such rose-tinted glasses, Greta.

Just because Mexico borders the US, doesn't make it right for him to poke fun at and demonize the Mexican people.

Can you quote his exact words actually doing that? Because he has done no such thing at all.

Really??
Try looking here for his exact words where he said that Mexico were sending drugs, crime and rapists.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
quote:

And just because other countries are having migrant problems (of all races and religions), doesn't make it right that he only picked on Muslims to ban.
Not Jews, not Christians from that same area - only the Muslims.

Because it's Muslims who have a Beef to pick with the US, and not the Jews or the Christians. It's not Jewish or Christian organizations plotting large scale attacks against US.

Irrelevant.
Even if it were true, by banning just one religion would be against the 1st amendment of the constitution.
And that same video clip shows this too.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
quote:

Yes, he criticized some males, individually.
But he never made such sweeping critical statements about males like he did with women.
It was nowhere near "super equal" that you claim - not even close.

What sweeping critical statement about a female are you referring to?

Not "a" female - females in general.
That he can grab women by the private parts and get away with it.
He doesn't do that with guys - or bragged about it.
When criticized for it, he always claimed the woman in question "wasn't pretty" or not his first choice.
He used phrases like 'fat pigs', 'slobs', 'dogs' etc for women that he didn't use with guys.
That same video clip also shows these comments.


Mexico is sending drugs, rapists and criminals here. A third of our prison population is Mexican nationals.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:31:54 AM   
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So to isolate one religion would be against the constitution that allows freedom of religion (as per 1st amendment, 1791).

Which is also why US can never do what Germany has just done. Banned a Muslim religion, but only a specific branch of it. It would be like banning Mormons of Christianity.
They are actually limited by their laws to take some serious action.
So end of the day, Trump wants to halt all Muslim immigration, but it may not be legally possible over there.

Germany didn't ban a religion - only the terrorists or members of a terrorist group.
Trump wanted to ban all Muslims entering the US.
Not just terrorists - ALL Muslims.

Different ball of wax.
Obviously a distinction that you fail to recognise.


Definitely don't have the news correct. You're listening to real news filtered through something. Trump said ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists until we can get a handle on how to vet then properly.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:53:26 AM   
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I guess the blind or willfully ignorant wouldn't take
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"I look at the Evangelicals and I wonder, those values don't mean anything to them? All of those values to me are more important than anybody's skill in business or anything else because it tells who we are, and how we want to live, and what kind of people we are. That's why I have great respect for people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain, John Kasich, who I disagree with on a lot of political things, but they had enough fiber and respect for humanity and tolerance for all groups to say what they said about the man.
to mean Pop wasn't left leaning.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:06:22 AM   
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Get back in your fucking box Popovich. Christ, what an assclown.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:11:30 AM   
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Mexico is sending drugs, rapists and criminals here. A third of our prison population is Mexican nationals.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp
Says 14.6 % there.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:15:01 AM   
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where it's been discovered that 3 million illigal a did vote in this election.
You'd know that there are leftist organizations that are helping them vote illegally.
You'd have seen, or seen pictures of, illegals being bussed around to vote in various places.


Care to share reliable cites for these "claims" ?

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:17:43 AM   
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Mexico is sending drugs, rapists and criminals here. A third of our prison population is Mexican nationals.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp
Says 14.6 % there.



He's not on speaking terms with reality, he'd prefer you not mention it.




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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:35:14 AM   
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Really??
Try looking here for his exact words where he said that Mexico were sending drugs, crime and rapists.

You know, I have spoken about this many times. It says Mexico are sending their drugs, crime and rapist to America. THUS they are sending their worst to the US. Because they wanna keep all the best Mexicans to themselves and send all their problem people to the US to take care of it, so it won't be their own problem to deal with. So how does this translate into "All Mexicans are drugs, crime and rapists"?

It does not at all. A whole country of Mexicans left, that Mexico DID NOT SEND OVER, are good Mexicans. Trump WANTS the good Mexicans, like he wants the good Muslims. He just don't want people coming in to do crime.
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Germany didn't ban a religion - only the terrorists or members of a terrorist group.
Trump wanted to ban all Muslims entering the US.
Not just terrorists - ALL Muslims.
Different ball of wax.
Obviously a distinction that you fail to recognise.

Germany absolutely banned a Islamic Religion. I have explained, it is the equivalent of banning Mormons or Jehovah witnesses. They are part of Christianity. The Islamic group they banned is called, "True Religion", who follow the Salafist version of Islam. They are a Muslim religious group who are recruiting people into Islam by handing out free Qurans. They aren't just about Terrorism. Most Mosques donates to Terrorist groups anyway, it may not specifically be ISIS, that's all. I mean, gawd knows Singapore Mosque all donates to HAMAS to help Palestinians and that is classified as a Terrorist group.

It's like how my country actually bans Jehovah witnesses. And if you are caught being a jehovah witness in Singapore, you will be put in jail for 2 years for that crime. They banned one Christian group. But doesn't make Jehovah Witnesses less Christian. They consider Jehovah Witness version of Christianity to be encouraging their Christian members to disobey civil laws and only obey God's Christian laws.
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That he can grab women by the private parts and get away with it.
He doesn't do that with guys - or bragged about it.

This isn't counted since he is not bisexual. IF he was bisexual, he would 100% also say the same things about men. So you blame a heterosexual man for not fantasizing about grabbing men's penis AS an example of how he is targeting women only? Oh please!!
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When criticized for it, he always claimed the woman in question "wasn't pretty" or not his first choice.
He used phrases like 'fat pigs', 'slobs', 'dogs' etc for women that he didn't use with guys.
That same video clip also shows these comments.

All those words are disparaging looks of someone he does not like, and he has done the same things to males he doesn't like. So it was not gender bias at all. The problem is the media does not bother compiling all the insults he has insulted on men's appearances. One thing for sure about Trump, I totally notice, he hit below the bar, for both genders.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 9:52:26 AM   
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Sorry, but I see no qualifications in being a good basketball coach for him to interpret the life and troubles of the working man. He isn't ivory tower elite but sports jock clueless.

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