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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:25:15 AM   
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Definitely don't have the news correct. You're listening to real news filtered through something. Trump said ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists until we can get a handle on how to vet then properly.

Try looking at the link I posted - a direct recording of part of his speech taken from live TV broadcast.
The bit you want is around the 2 minute 47 seconds point.
Not edited. Not filtered.

"Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.... We have no choice".


Nothing about countries that have problems with Muslim terrorists.
He did NOT say to ' ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists'.
He was quite specific: the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
I'll quote it again for those with comprehension problems: Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

And considering that the war has been raging on for more than several years and nobody has yet to get a handle on it, it is obvious that he wasn't implying that it was a very short time span or something imminently temporary.

I got the news correct. You didn't.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:31:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Definitely don't have the news correct. You're listening to real news filtered through something. Trump said ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists until we can get a handle on how to vet then properly.

Try looking at the link I posted - a direct recording of part of his speech taken from live TV broadcast.
The bit you want is around the 2 minute 47 seconds point.
Not edited. Not filtered.

"Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.... We have no choice".


Nothing about countries that have problems with Muslim terrorists.
He did NOT say to ' ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists'.
He was quite specific: the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
I'll quote it again for those with comprehension problems: Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

And considering that the war has been raging on for more than several years and nobody has yet to get a handle on it, it is obvious that he wasn't implying that it was a very short time span or something imminently temporary.

I got the news correct. You didn't.


No, you're just not accepting the "until country can figure out the hell is going on" part of the statement.

Here, this will help you understand your filter.

http://observer.com/2016/11/rudy-giuliani-crushes-pre-election-chatter-about-his-alleged-demise/

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:36:49 AM   
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Sorry Greta.
Try watching that video clip.

And the Germans have NOT banned a complete religion.
They banned terrorist organisations; not quite the same thing.

And just because he's not bisexual doesn't mean his sexist remarks aren't sexist just because he didn't make them to the same sex.
Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexist remarks.

As for fantasizing about grabbing those women - he wasn't.
He was bragging about things he'd actually done.
As is testimony by several women coming forward and complaining that he had sexually harassed them in the past.
And I don't buy that if he was gay that he would do the same with men.
That is pure conjecture and supposition.

And if you can't differentiate between a few personal remarks against some men and whole slew of disparaging remarks against many more women and women in general, I suggest you re-take your English class.
They are vastly different and NOT equal.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:41:44 AM   
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Definitely don't have the news correct. You're listening to real news filtered through something. Trump said ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists until we can get a handle on how to vet then properly.

Try looking at the link I posted - a direct recording of part of his speech taken from live TV broadcast.
The bit you want is around the 2 minute 47 seconds point.
Not edited. Not filtered.

"Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.... We have no choice".


Nothing about countries that have problems with Muslim terrorists.
He did NOT say to ' ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists'.
He was quite specific: the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
I'll quote it again for those with comprehension problems: Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

And considering that the war has been raging on for more than several years and nobody has yet to get a handle on it, it is obvious that he wasn't implying that it was a very short time span or something imminently temporary.

I got the news correct. You didn't.


No, you're just not accepting the "until country can figure out the hell is going on" part of the statement.

Here, this will help you understand your filter.

http://observer.com/2016/11/rudy-giuliani-crushes-pre-election-chatter-about-his-alleged-demise/


Nope. There was NO filter.
And nothing in that link was relevant to Trump's comments on live TV.
I accept the caveat he added at the end.
What you are not realising is that he meant it and not for a short term.
His caveat didn't diminish or change his statement or add any qualification.

I'm not spinning what he said or misquoting it - you are.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Definitely don't have the news correct. You're listening to real news filtered through something. Trump said ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists until we can get a handle on how to vet then properly.

Try looking at the link I posted - a direct recording of part of his speech taken from live TV broadcast.
The bit you want is around the 2 minute 47 seconds point.
Not edited. Not filtered.

"Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.... We have no choice".


Nothing about countries that have problems with Muslim terrorists.
He did NOT say to ' ban immigration from countries that have problems with Muslem terrorists'.
He was quite specific: the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
I'll quote it again for those with comprehension problems: Donald J Trump is calling for the total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

And considering that the war has been raging on for more than several years and nobody has yet to get a handle on it, it is obvious that he wasn't implying that it was a very short time span or something imminently temporary.

I got the news correct. You didn't.


No, you're just not accepting the "until country can figure out the hell is going on" part of the statement.

Here, this will help you understand your filter.

http://observer.com/2016/11/rudy-giuliani-crushes-pre-election-chatter-about-his-alleged-demise/


Nope. There was NO filter.
And nothing in that link was relevant to Trump's comments on live TV.
I accept the caveat he added at the end.
What you are not realising is that he meant it and not for a short term.
His caveat didn't diminish or change his statement or add any qualification.

I'm not spinning what he said or misquoting it - you are.


Well, you don't see it so I guess you're doomed to repeating your mistakes. Sorry.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:57:53 AM   
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Thanks for posting this. I appreciate it.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 11:49:53 AM   
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Well, you don't see it so I guess you're doomed to repeating your mistakes. Sorry.

There was nothing to see.
Your link had no relevance to Trump's comments on live TV.

I made no mistakes.
I cited a live TV broadcast that can't be denied - and there are many of them.
I'm not making any spin.
I'm not trying to fit it into some other box like you are.
I'm not changing his words either.
He said what he said. Plain and simple.
If you can't believe your own eyes and ears, that's on you; not my fault.
Wanna see more sexist crap from Trump here?
More insults from the circus peanut here.
All taken from live TV broadcasts.
Not edited. Not filtered. Just as they were aired and on TV.

Give me a creditable cite where he retracts those comments.
Or that he said what you are claiming he said - word for word.

If you can't, I'm right and you're disillusioned and making false claims.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 11:55:35 AM   
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Well, you don't see it so I guess you're doomed to repeating your mistakes. Sorry.

There was nothing to see.
Your link had no relevance to Trump's comments on live TV.

I made no mistakes.
I cited a live TV broadcast that can't be denied - and there are many of them.
I'm not making any spin.
I'm not trying to fit it into some other box like you are.
I'm not changing his words either.
He said what he said. Plain and simple.
If you can't believe your own eyes and ears, that's on you; not my fault.
Wanna see more sexist crap from Trump here?
More insults from the circus peanut here.
All taken from live TV broadcasts.
Not edited. Not filtered. Just as they were aired and on TV.

Give me a creditable cite where he retracts those comments.
Or that he said what you are claiming he said - word for word.

If you can't, I'm right and you're disillusioned and making false claims.


You still don't get it do you? Okay, I'll hold your hand. Did you see how it explained that Rudy was held in high esteem by everyone until he backed Trump? Then, all of the sudden every news source called him unhinged? Everyone called him exactly the same, unhinged. What you're reading is the descriptions in the news after the news decided what the news will be. Even here, you're reading half the statement because the filtered news told you the first part was racist and ignored the second part. Mbasically, everything Trump said was filtered that way. Everything you read...and believed...was filtered that way and you're spouting it back now as if it had even a small measure of truth.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 11:59:06 AM   
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...Rudy was held in high esteem by everyone until he backed Trump?

Are you sure?

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 7:10:44 PM   
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Sorry Greta.
Try watching that video clip.

And the Germans have NOT banned a complete religion.
They banned terrorist organisations; not quite the same thing.

And just because he's not bisexual doesn't mean his sexist remarks aren't sexist just because he didn't make them to the same sex.
Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexist remarks.

As for fantasizing about grabbing those women - he wasn't.
He was bragging about things he'd actually done.
As is testimony by several women coming forward and complaining that he had sexually harassed them in the past.
And I don't buy that if he was gay that he would do the same with men.
That is pure conjecture and supposition.

And if you can't differentiate between a few personal remarks against some men and whole slew of disparaging remarks against many more women and women in general, I suggest you re-take your English class.
They are vastly different and NOT equal.

True Religion is not a Terrorist organization. They are a Muslim organization who is sympathetic to ISIS and donates to ISIS and encourages their followers to do their Islamic duty to fight in Jihad, and one of the ways to do it, is to join ISIS, since ISIS is actively doing it, but their main cause is to promote Islam in Germany and get more people converting into Islam. That's like saying Saudi Arabia are Terrorists since they Fund ISIS too, and I Don't see US swearing off relationship with them!

If he was gay, and is attracted to men, he is so totally gonna say he could grab other men's penis. Because he is sexually attracted to them. The only reason he doesn't talk about touching man's private parts is because he is not gay!

It's just double standards. He insults men on their appearances too, post men's picture on twitter and make fun of their looks, and nobody reports in the media.

But they only pick it up when it's female. He calls everybody a dog, men, women, and even companies and organizations. Trump insults is all about below the belt, but never gender bias.




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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:11:19 PM   
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...Rudy was held in high esteem by everyone until he backed Trump?

Are you sure?

About as sure as he is about millions of illegals voting:)

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 8:27:46 PM   
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Ah I see you got your facts from European news. Well, the NYT has already admitted they lied this whole election and have promised to re-dedicate itself to truth.
CITE PLEASE

We'll see how that goes. I'm sure all you saw was EU news picking up the admitted lies from US news. You might also consider that there are more illigal aliens here from Mexico than are here from all other nations combined. Here, illigal immigration and illigal immigration from Mexico are interchangeable comments. Of course you knew that from your 8 month stay here and you're just pretending not to get it.

Is that like your claim that mexicans make up a third of your prison population???
Is that taking into consideration that other races are coming in on visas and overstaying them, more than immigration into the country from mexico??

Everything you can read on the internet is available north of your border and across the pond.
You assume that because you only give shitty sources that everyone else is on your level of ignorance when it comes to sourcing?
Because the NYT did NOT admit to having Lied.

To Our Readers, From the Publisher and Executive Editor
NOV. 13, 2016

When the biggest political story of the year reached a dramatic and unexpected climax late Tuesday night, our newsroom turned on a dime and did what it has done for nearly two years — cover the 2016 election with agility and creativity.

After such an erratic and unpredictable election there are inevitable questions: Did Donald Trump’s sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters? What forces and strains in America drove this divisive election and outcome? Most important, how will a president who remains a largely enigmatic figure actually govern when he takes office?

As we reflect on the momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you. It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly. You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.

We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our readers. We want to take this opportunity, on behalf of all Times journalists, to thank you for that loyalty.

Sincerely,

Arthur Sulzberger Jr., publisher

Dean Baquet, executive editor
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-readers-from-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html?_r=1

BTW they also did hit pieces on Hillary all year, are you suggesting that they told the truth about her?

There are more than just US sources available out there, but Im not surprised you are ignorant of them. seemingly getting your news from alt right sites
Im not sure why you are attempting to lie so hard, because you are simply being laughed at harder with every lie.


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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:01:16 PM   
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Popovich.... Hmm. And what credence should one give to a lifelong jock who even managed to sidestep military duties because he was a jock.
Sorry, but I see no qualifications in being a good basketball coach for him to interpret the life and troubles of the working man. He isn't ivory tower elite but sports jock clueless.


According to the CV as posted in the OP;

"He graduated with a bachelor's degree in Soviet Studies, and he underwent Air Force intelligence gathering and processing training. At one point, Popovich considered a career with the Central Intelligence Agency."

But as soon as he steps on a basketball court, he is a 'jock for life' by your estimation, and thereby excluded for duty any other than that.

Well, I'm glad you are on board with the soap advertiser with a USA HS education as president Reagan being fully up to the task for that venture, while a guy with a Baccalaureate in Soviet Studies within 8 years of Air Force education and training should just keep his trap shut, -because he played basketball in the process-.

In any case, I would disagree that Trump's part-of-the-business-plan tactical bankruptcies and rip-offs of contractors and their workers as being indicative of his 'concern for the working man,' howevermuch crotch-grabbing otherwise ranks above playing basketball as to job qualification of presidency of the US in your estimation.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 10:41:13 PM   
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In light of the fact that the lefties are soiling their linens over this election, I was FAR too serious, the last time I posted on this thread. So, after some reflection and with a growing flow of schadenfreude, here's my new post:

Ohhh! Coach Popovich said all of that? Well, that's different, then. I change my mind. Everyone should vote for Shrillary.

Better?



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 11:09:18 PM   
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Perfect, in fact.

Not quite as good as "I grabbed a lot of female crotches, don't ask me how old they were," but then you can't expect a mere jock to work his way down to that level overnight.

Who said anyone is trying to make anyone's mind up, here? It's a done deal already, dude. Unless you are one of the whiners and whimperers incessantly carping about all that protest crap, as if taking anything they're saying seriously..

The crotch grabbers of the world (at least in the US and Singapore) have seen their own kind now in position of power, and have spoken most enthusiastically to that end at the ballot. The verdict is in. This is what we are.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/15/2016 11:29:16 PM   
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In light of the fact that the lefties are soiling their linens over this election, I was FAR too serious, the last time I posted on this thread. So, after some reflection and with a growing flow of schadenfreude, here's my new post:

Ohhh! Coach Popovich said all of that? Well, that's different, then. I change my mind. Everyone should vote for Shrillary.

Better?



Michael


Coming from the same man who has called hillary the anti christ for some years and now she is the "she cunt" ...
Soiling linens is apt.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/16/2016 1:27:09 AM   
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[Trump] said what he said when a discussion of 12 million illigal [sic] immigrants from Mexico was the topic. I understand the left has thoughts they don't tolerate and that solving this problem in the U.S. Is one of those thoughts (because the left wants all of those votes)

Please forgive me but I wasn't aware that "12 million illigal immigrants from Mexico" were allowed to vote in US elections. I must have missed it whenever it was announced that they had been given the vote. Perhaps you could be kind enough to point out when they were given the vote so that I can refresh my memory ......

While you are at it, could you please explain how leftists who apparently aren't allowed to tolerate thoughts about solving this problem are somehow able to solve it by enfranchising the alleged "12 million illigal [sic] immigrants from Mexico" without, if you are to be believed, thinking about it?

All that sounds a bit magical to me - if your account of things is coherent. There seems to be one other explanation. Of course it's possible that you have just written a load of fictional rubbish but I am sure you wouldn't like to us to think that would you?




Well, if you were paying attention to anything outside your rectal cavity you'd have read where it's been discovered that 3 million illigal a did vote in this election.

Well no I didn't miss that claim. I even tried to check out the original source - a Tweet by one Greg Phillips who says he is speaking for VoteFraud.org. I tried to check out VoteFraud.org but got redirected to another site. Eventually I found VoteFraud's homepage which indicates libetarian sympathies - so it's neither reputable nor unbiased. While not much is known about VoteFraud.Org, I was able to establish that Mr Phillips is embroiled in an ongoing political corruption scandal in Texas.

In other words your claim is pure unsubstantiated partisan trash. Or in the type of language you prefer to use, it's straight out of someone's rectal cavity and ought to be valued accordingly. Pure unadulterated s**t.

If you are persuaded by a single Twitter post by some unknown person on behalf of an organisation whose political bias is overt, then that's your choice. I'd suggest you look up the word 'gullible'.

I'd also suggest that you look at the serious research on voter fraud in the US which regularly reports that voting fraud is so negligible that it is not a matter of concern. I seem to remember figures of 31 cases of proven electoral fraud over 10 years but I am a tad hazy on the actual numbers. However I am certain they were so ridiculously rare that they aren't worth bothering about.

And you still haven't explained how leftists are apparently able to do the 'magical thinking' you claimed they were in your original post. I'd love to hear how that works. I'm sure others would too.

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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/16/2016 1:32:51 AM   
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Well we could say, ban all Catholics and Jews for that matter, you know...just until we figurer out what's going on. Hell there's a lot of things [we] could do or say...'ban' until you know, just until...we figure out what's going on. Even though, you know...it could take forever to do that.

I say we ban all voting until we figure out 'what's really going on' with the voter ID fraud and illegal immigrant voting problem.

Maybe we should ban all guns until we 'figure out what's really going on' with all of the gun violence in all of the major cities.

Any others ideas on what we could 'ban' until we 'figure out what's going on ?'

The problem with the Popovich interview isn't him or his opinions...it's the interview at all making it into any widespread media...at all.

I personally don't care what he has to say or Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter, or most everybody on Fox or most of the mainstream media as I don't listen to ANY of them. We are just stuck with them being listened to by millions who for some crazy reason...do care.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/16/2016 1:59:17 AM   
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Well we could say, ban all Catholics and Jews for that matter, you know...just until we figurer out what's going on. Hell there's a lot of things [we] could do or say...'ban' until you know, just until...we figure out what's going on. Even though, you know...it could take forever to do that.



And if Catholics or Jews were shooting up our citizenry, I would support such a measure.

If you know who your enemy is and still refuse to "profile" them, you're a moron.

The rest of your argument was too ridiculous to comment upon.



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RE: A principled man speaks out. - 11/16/2016 2:41:35 AM   
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You still don't get it do you? Okay, I'll hold your hand. Did you see how it explained that Rudy was held in high esteem by everyone until he backed Trump? Then, all of the sudden every news source called him unhinged? Everyone called him exactly the same, unhinged. What you're reading is the descriptions in the news after the news decided what the news will be. Even here, you're reading half the statement because the filtered news told you the first part was racist and ignored the second part. Mbasically, everything Trump said was filtered that way. Everything you read...and believed...was filtered that way and you're spouting it back now as if it had even a small measure of truth.

No, YOU don't get it.

The clips are NOT "News items" as you are claiming.
They are clips from live TV debates.... not news clips (although some were).
And I watched these TV debates when they were broadcast LIVE as well.
So I know they are NOT spin and not been doctored.
Filtered?? No, definitely not.
So definitely the truth, not your spin and lies.

And who the fuck is Rudy??
From what little references I heard over here, he wasn't held "in high esteem" either.

So much for "holding my hand" and leading me up the garden path on a faerie trail.
No thanks, I'll believe the truth rather than your twisted contortions TYVM.


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