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Lucylastic -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 12:28:19 AM)
quote: What we must do, as a society, is not to instill any such rigid regimes into our offspring. Teach them what is acceptable in the society (good manners, general behaviour patterns etc) and leave out all religious indoctrination. At school, include all religions and different societies/cultures around the globe. Let them decide at age of majority what religion they wish to follow. They will at least be armed with the knowledge of many religions and cultures to make an informed choice. Except freedom of religion is guaranteed. Well it was,(how much longer?) its in the constitution, its in the canadian charter of rights and its in UK law and European law.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 12:34:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Greta, I live in the United States of America. One of our tenets here is tgat all are free to practice their religion, as long as it does not interfere with others, or with the state. If a woman wishes to wear a hijab, a man wear a yarmulke, or a Catholic put ashes on their forehead, these practices do not interfere. If a Muslim eats halal, a Jew eats kosher, a Seventh Day Adventist eats meat substitute, they do not interfere. Each of those examples represent freedom of religion. As America demonstrates tolerance, we hope to set an example to the world. And what of the Mormons.... or the cannibals? Or any of the extreme lifestyles??? Would it be Ok if I stood up and extolled the virtues of ISIS?? Is it Ok to burn crosses and chant anti-christian and anti-black stuff with the KKK? I very much doubt it - despite the freedom of speech laws. It's only freedom of religion when it is within the realms of christianity as practiced in the USA. Otherwise, it is outlawed and punished. ETA: the same for most western countries too. It's only 'freedom' within strict boundaries.

MariaB -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 2:38:33 AM)
Her conscience was wrestling over displaying her modesty to God and she found that wearing the scarf gave her peace of mind. She’s a Muslim and by wearing the scarf she is submitting to God. How can you get angry about that choice? Why should she have to be the symbol of every repressed Muslim woman around the globe when she’s simply an American who has a faith that asks her to cover her hair. It’s the same reason Christian nuns and Eastern orthodox Christians cover their hair.

MariaB -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 2:46:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Greta, I live in the United States of America. One of our tenets here is tgat all are free to practice their religion, as long as it does not interfere with others, or with the state. If a woman wishes to wear a hijab, a man wear a yarmulke, or a Catholic put ashes on their forehead, these practices do not interfere. If a Muslim eats halal, a Jew eats kosher, a Seventh Day Adventist eats meat substitute, they do not interfere. Each of those examples represent freedom of religion. As America demonstrates tolerance, we hope to set an example to the world. And what of the Mormons.... or the cannibals? Or any of the extreme lifestyles??? Would it be Ok if I stood up and extolled the virtues of ISIS?? Is it Ok to burn crosses and chant anti-christian and anti-black stuff with the KKK? I very much doubt it - despite the freedom of speech laws. It's only freedom of religion when it is within the realms of christianity as practiced in the USA. Otherwise, it is outlawed and punished. ETA: the same for most western countries too. It's only 'freedom' within strict boundaries. For goodness sake man, get a grip. What do cannibals have to do with religion? If you stood up and extolled the virtues of ISIS you would be interfering with others, or with the state wouldn’t you? We aren't talking about burning the cross or eating human flesh or chopping peoples heads off. We are merely discussing a scarf worn over the hair. [8\|]

Greta75 -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 2:52:24 AM)
FR Most people are not getting the point of my post. My point is. HER FREEDOM OF WEARING WHAT SHE WANTS IS NOT CURTAILED IN THE USA! But she is whining about it AS IF US is gonna stone her to death for wearing a HIJAB! She is crying about absolutely nothing. Her right to wear WHATEVER SHE WANTS is 101% and FULLY Protected. THANKS to the country being NON MUSLIM! She is whining to the wrong country! She should be whining to whatever country she came from about, prosecuting THEIR Muslim Women for wearing non-hijab materials. THAT IS the real problem in this world. There is no problem in the USA. The law protects her right to wear whatever she wants. Her whole whole post is soooo ridiculous! You'd think she's talking about Saudi Arabia, and INFACT she should be writing that THAT LETTER to Saudi! Especially the part about FORCING WOMEN TO CONFORM! Man!!!! Biggest hypocrisy coming from a Muslim woman like EVER! Considering HER specific Religion specifies how ALL women should dress in a certain conformity way. Why is she crying about that? She supports that! And I hope that this woman does not force her poor daughter to wear a hijab! But I fear she probably does. She is just crying about not being able to force her daughter to wear a hijab anymore because the Hijab fashion is not receiving the love and acceptance she expects! Hell I bet Kanye West don't cry about people thinking his fashion line stinks! And you know what? I think Muslim fashion sucks! Wear it all you want, but I won't stop thinking it looks terrible! And don't expect people to love it! In this society, you dress for the occasion, and you dress for your identity. A man in a suit versus a man in sloppy over sized pants and shirt, the man in the suit might receive more favourable attention. Don't expect your Muslim fashion to receive special treatment that people must admire or think it's great! It looks ugly. The whole veil looks dreadful! South Indian women in their Saris are much more beautiful than an ugly hijab wear! I mean THIS FASHION is hot! [image]https://fashionkiduniya.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sari2.jpg[/image] And THIS is NOT hot! [image]http://fashionztrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2-burka-1.jpg[/image]

Greta75 -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:21:41 AM)
And my point is, when a dressing is mandatory in the culture that you came from. Please don't come into another culture crying about being judged for not wearing the same. Your culture kill women who don't dress the same. So please! Stop the hypocrisy! Because if you truly support ALL women who can wear whatever they want. You should stop being Muslim. It's double standards. As your holy text doesn't allow women to wear what they want!

PeonForHer -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:42:27 AM)
quote: And my point is, when a dressing is mandatory in the culture that you came from. Please don't come into another culture crying about being judged for not wearing the same. Your culture kill women who don't dress the same. So please! Stop the hypocrisy Greta, you keep saying things that don't make sense. If a Muslim woman is born in the USA, she hasn't come from another culture. She was in the home culture to start with and is a part of it. What are you talking about?

MariaB -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:24:09 AM)
The story wasn't about repressed females in far away lands, it was about how some Muslim Americans feared wearing a head scarf because some members of the public acted badly towards them.

MercTech -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 1:46:05 PM)
There is a difference in a hijab and a burka. And a hijab can create other issues such as getting a hard hat to stay on the head properly while wearing a hijab. Dreadlocks create a problem too. Holding a hard hat on by hair combs is not really a good way to go and it really looks odd to see a hard hat pinned to the top of a pile of hair a foot above the skull - dreadlocks issue. A hijab of silk or rayon gives safety gear a tendency to slide off with even a slight shake of the head. Putting some tacky rubber around the band inside the hard hat (non slip stuff used under rugs or in boat and RV cabinets - comes in a roll) and pick a hijab for work made of cotton instead of fine weave fabric and the problem is solved. Working safety in a very multicultural environment has its problematic moments. One thing that is never let slide is the ban on faces being covered inside clearance required secure facilities. A scarf in the yard in cold weather is allowed AFTER the face has been uncovered during scans and metrics for entry. (i.e. Bomb detector, metal detector, pockets empties and run through x-ray, badge scanned, hand scan passed, face compared to face on badge and face in computer database - click and go into controlled area)

tamaka -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 2:13:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR Most people are not getting the point of my post. My point is. HER FREEDOM OF WEARING WHAT SHE WANTS IS NOT CURTAILED IN THE USA! But she is whining about it AS IF US is gonna stone her to death for wearing a HIJAB! She is crying about absolutely nothing. Her right to wear WHATEVER SHE WANTS is 101% and FULLY Protected. THANKS to the country being NON MUSLIM! She is whining to the wrong country! She should be whining to whatever country she came from about, prosecuting THEIR Muslim Women for wearing non-hijab materials. THAT IS the real problem in this world. There is no problem in the USA. The law protects her right to wear whatever she wants. Her whole whole post is soooo ridiculous! You'd think she's talking about Saudi Arabia, and INFACT she should be writing that THAT LETTER to Saudi! Especially the part about FORCING WOMEN TO CONFORM! Man!!!! Biggest hypocrisy coming from a Muslim woman like EVER! Considering HER specific Religion specifies how ALL women should dress in a certain conformity way. Why is she crying about that? She supports that! And I hope that this woman does not force her poor daughter to wear a hijab! But I fear she probably does. She is just crying about not being able to force her daughter to wear a hijab anymore because the Hijab fashion is not receiving the love and acceptance she expects! Hell I bet Kanye West don't cry about people thinking his fashion line stinks! And you know what? I think Muslim fashion sucks! Wear it all you want, but I won't stop thinking it looks terrible! And don't expect people to love it! In this society, you dress for the occasion, and you dress for your identity. A man in a suit versus a man in sloppy over sized pants and shirt, the man in the suit might receive more favourable attention. Don't expect your Muslim fashion to receive special treatment that people must admire or think it's great! It looks ugly. The whole veil looks dreadful! South Indian women in their Saris are much more beautiful than an ugly hijab wear! I mean THIS FASHION is hot! [image]https://fashionkiduniya.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sari2.jpg[/image] And THIS is NOT hot! [image]http://fashionztrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2-burka-1.jpg[/image] I don't know how safe i would feel in a public place with people dressed like that to be honest with you.

PeonForHer -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:03:29 PM)
quote: I don't know how safe i would feel in a public place with people dressed like that to be honest with you. I'd feel safe. Her appearance doesn't fit the profile of a terrorist here in the UK. I don't like the look and it grates somewhat (because it rams a religion, and one with overtones of a view of women that I don't like, in my face) ... but I can get past that. She is much more likely to feel unsafe than the average westerner who sees her on the street, I'd bet.

tamaka -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:07:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I don't know how safe i would feel in a public place with people dressed like that to be honest with you. I'd feel safe. Her appearance doesn't fit the profile of a terrorist here in the UK. I don't like the look and it grates somewhat (because it rams a religion, and one with overtones of a view of women that I don't like, in my face) ... but I can get past that. She is much more likely to feel unsafe than the average westerner who sees her on the street, I'd bet. How do you know what's under there? It might not be a woman. It might be a nutcase suicide bomber with a bomb strapped around it's body. How about that walking into a bank? I don't think it's a good idea to let that type of dress be allowed in public spaces. I bet I'm not the only person who wouldn't feel safe at all. In fact, i'd probably leave.

PeonForHer -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:17:06 PM)
quote: How do you know what's under there? It might not be a woman. It might be a nutcase suicide bomber with a bomb strapped around it's body. How about that walking into a bank? I don't think it's a good idea to let that type of dress be allowed in public spaces. I bet I'm not the only person who wouldn't feel safe at all. In fact, i'd probably leave. It could be all of those things, but probably isn't. Women and men don't move the same way. Women have smaller hands and feet. But the key thing is that that kind of garb attracts too much attention. People will notice her too much. This is not a lefty speaking here so much as the son of a policeman who's heard him talk about anti-terrorist strategies in London, I should say.

Wayward5oul -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And my point is, when a dressing is mandatory in the culture that you came from. Please don't come into another culture crying about being judged for not wearing the same. She didn't go into another culture Greta. She was in the culture that she came from, exercising her right as a member of that culture to express concerns about her freedoms as a citizen. quote: Your culture kill women who don't dress the same. So please! Stop the hypocrisy! No, she is a Muslim-American. Her culture does not kill women who dress the same. That is why she had felt the freedom to experiment with her manner of dress in the past. She decided what she was comfortable with, and now she feels that her right to that may be curtailed. In your OP to this thread, you responded to some of her statements with "how dare you"... Let me ask you this...how dare you attempt to shame an American for exercising her rights as an American? How dare you, thousands of miles away and a complete stranger, shame her for standing up for herself as an American? Maybe you should go back and look at the article again, and click on the link to the article she wrote about the experiment she undertook of not wearing the hijab. She talks about ignorant people who knew nothing about her but have judged her for wearing a hijab, and she talks about ignorant people who knew nothing about her but judged her for not wearing one. You might learn something about someone who seems to be a strong, beautiful, proud mother of two daughters. And rightly so.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 3:54:21 PM)
It enrages you that w woman is afraid to wear something that is s symbol of who she is? Then you go on to talk about how ugly the clothing is compared to what they wear in India? Then someone comments about not feeling safe if someone was dressed like that? There is so much wrong here on a simple human level I cannot even find the words to express my disgust.

tamaka -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:33:38 PM)
I wouldn't feel safe at all if a person was in a public space dressed like that... no. I would't feel safe with someone walking into a bank i was banking in wearing a ski mask either. If you think there's something wrong with that... well... tough shit. I value my own personal safety more than i value some stranger's 'right' to conceal themselves. It's a public safety & security issue.

PeonForHer -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:41:21 PM)
Probably your best bet is just not to leave your house, tamaka.

tamaka -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:47:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Probably your best bet is just not to leave your house, tamaka. Thank God for online banking and shopping.

Wayward5oul -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wouldn't feel safe at all if a person was in a public space dressed like that... no. I would't feel safe with someone walking into a bank i was banking in wearing a ski mask either. If you think there's something wrong with that... well... tough shit. I value my own personal safety more than i value some stranger's 'right' to conceal themselves. It's a public safety & security issue. Take someone's advice to you in another thread and learn to read rather than rely on biased rants for your information. The author is talking about wearing a scarf on her head. That's it. Nothing covering her face. No big black sheet coveting her head to toe. A freakin' scarf.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wear Hijab (11/18/2016 4:50:38 PM)
Why would you not feel safe if a person walked into a bank wearing the hijab ? Because there is the chance that he/she may have a bomb concealed underneath it ? Does nobody where you bank wear an overcoat in the cooler weather ? Nobody carries a briefcase ? Nobody has a coat with patch pockets. 20 or 30 pounds of plastique can easily be hidden under an overcoat or in a briefcase. a couple of hand grenades or similar can easily be hidden in that patch pockets of a navy watchcoat It sounds like we are going back to the 60s when one side of society tried to tell the other side how to act, speak and dress. Leave 'em alone and let 'em dress as they wish. The vast majority have no harm in 'em.

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