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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 8:35:25 PM   
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People dont need to be hardcore to be against the "other" side and fight like hell with them, you can see that happen on the forums here every day.. And most people dont vote on what they think the country needs, they vote to keep the politician they hate the most out.. or didnt you notice that with this last election???


I think there was a degree of that, but I also think Trump's nationalist protectionism legitimately resounded with people. I kept thinking Brexit was just a lot of people who were clueless about what would actually happen, or that I had just always overestimated the intelligence of the average Brit... but I talked to a friend of mine who supported it and no-- there is a lot of quasi-conspiratorial resentment against the 'global elites' out there.

People truly do believe that the globalists and large corporations need to be stopped and that they can get everything back to the way it was in some rosy nostalgic vision of the past. They are even prepared to weather the storms... or at least think they are, because they are certain that things will just bounce back, or that they'll end up in some sort of post-global-economy where all of the things that have been driving the global markets to their highest points won't matter anymore and they'll be able to do their own thing on their own terms.


Anything's possible.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 8:39:15 PM   
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Anything's possible.


But some things are more likely than others.

As I said before, there are a lot of ways to stand up to the globalists... electing an incompetent fascist is probably one of the worst.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 8:40:11 PM   
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Anything's possible.


But some things are more likely than others.


Yes like the election results, for example.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 8:49:39 PM   
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Anything's possible.


But some things are more likely than others.


Yes like the election results, for example.



Stunning upsets during elections aren't unprecedented or even so unlikely considering the candidates and the voters.
The notion that protectionism leads to economic prosperity has absolutely no historical precedent whatsoever.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 9:49:55 PM   
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People dont need to be hardcore to be against the "other" side and fight like hell with them, you can see that happen on the forums here every day.. And most people dont vote on what they think the country needs, they vote to keep the politician they hate the most out.. or didnt you notice that with this last election???

I think there was a degree of that, but I also think Trump's nationalist protectionism legitimately resounded with people. I kept thinking Brexit was just a lot of people who were clueless about what would actually happen, or that I had just always overestimated the intelligence of the average Brit... but I talked to a friend of mine who supported it and no-- there is a lot of quasi-conspiratorial resentment against the 'global elites' out there.

People truly do believe that the globalists and large corporations need to be stopped and that they can get everything back to the way it was in some rosy nostalgic vision of the past. They are even prepared to weather the storms... or at least think they are, because they are certain that things will just bounce back, or that they'll end up in some sort of post-global-economy where all of the things that have been driving the global markets to their highest points won't matter anymore and they'll be able to do their own thing on their own terms.

Anything's possible.


I understand support for Trump on one hand, because he said all the right things to congenitally butt-hurt people. But Reagan did the same thing, and that didn't turn out so well, in spite of all the deniers in contrary.

If by now people don't understand that broad-stroke unthinking deregulation leads directly to increased 'globalism,' especially in ignoring all the evidence thereto, then we've got what's coming.

We have yet to see what a Trump regulatory regime is going to look like, so I'll hold comment on that until we see what happens, not that I'm holding my breath about it coming to any good. Trump has a track record of stumbling onto good fortune in spite of all his fumbling efforts contrary to that outcome, so who knows.



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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 10:09:31 PM   
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Trump has a track record of stumbling onto good fortune in spite of all his fumbling efforts contrary to that outcome, so who knows.


He also has a track record of failing miserably at practically everything except real estate, and even that record is imperfect. What he IS good at is taking care of himself even if a lot of other people end up suffering because of it.

I can buy him winning an election-- manipulating desperate people with ridiculous promises doesn't seem so out of character and Hillary definitely had problems. I never imagined that so many people would be stupid enough to fall for it, but maybe if I was in their place I wouldn't have such a great handle on my own critical facilities either.

What I can't buy is him as an effective politician. He is intellectually lazy, clueless about issues, and ill-tempered. The only way he's going to be an effective politician is if he lets others make the decisions and keeps being a reality show host to distract everyone and sell them on whatever.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/19/2016 11:00:18 PM   
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Anything's possible.


But some things are more likely than others.


Yes like the election results, for example.



The notion that protectionism leads to economic prosperity has absolutely no historical precedent whatsoever.


Really? It seemed to work well for Europe and the United States.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/20/2016 1:42:07 AM   
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Really? It seemed to work well for Europe and the United States.


What are you talking about?

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/20/2016 3:43:31 AM   
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No just want to make sure you understood that the land was not just 'empty space' but property that people paid taxes on.


Perhaps you could tell us just who these people are who paid these taxes?

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/20/2016 4:02:00 AM   
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(Can't Resist) - Isn't drowning the most efficient way to get rid of vermin like rats once you have them trapped?


Do you view all whom you disagree with as vermin worthy of drowning or just the political party you do not support?

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/20/2016 4:03:10 AM   
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Actually, according to Al Gore it is already underwater. He has been predicting that in 20 years the Washington Monument since 1988.


Cite please

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/21/2016 6:00:56 PM   
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People dont need to be hardcore to be against the "other" side and fight like hell with them, you can see that happen on the forums here every day.. And most people dont vote on what they think the country needs, they vote to keep the politician they hate the most out.. or didnt you notice that with this last election???


I think there was a degree of that, but I also think Trump's nationalist protectionism legitimately resounded with people. I kept thinking Brexit was just a lot of people who were clueless about what would actually happen, or that I had just always overestimated the intelligence of the average Brit... but I talked to a friend of mine who supported it and no-- there is a lot of quasi-conspiratorial resentment against the 'global elites' out there.

People truly do believe that the globalists and large corporations need to be stopped and that they can get everything back to the way it was in some rosy nostalgic vision of the past. They are even prepared to weather the storms... or at least think they are, because they are certain that things will just bounce back, or that they'll end up in some sort of post-global-economy where all of the things that have been driving the global markets to their highest points won't matter anymore and they'll be able to do their own thing on their own terms.


Well,..
a) closing the barn door after the horses have escaped doesnt work..
b) automation, robots, etc are going to be today's and tomorrow's job killers.. (they already killed a lot of vehicle factory jobs).. What trump conned people into believing about "bringing jobs back" is BS & lies, not only can't he do that (no matter how his twitter spins things), but he will not be able to stop the jobs due to robots & automation.. software will drive trucks so bye-bye trucking industy jobs, software will drive cars so bye-bye taxi industry.. even fast food jobs are going to be lost to a diy machine you will order your burgers from.. those robots can be located anywhere, including here in the US and take your job.. being against "globalists" isnt gonna stop the robots.. and they will eliminate a lot more jobs than they create.. one futurist predicts that worldwide 2 Billion (50% of all jobs on the planet) will disappear by 2030.. Trump aint gonna help anyone..

http://www.futuristspeaker.com/business-trends/2-billion-jobs-to-disappear-by-2030/

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/21/2016 6:44:57 PM   
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RE: The Two Americas - 11/21/2016 6:48:14 PM   
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This reminds me of an activity we do with elementary school students to teach them why hunting deer is necessary for the survival of deer.



If you're saying it would be humane to cull the democratic herd, politically/legally I'd be on board. Which prison do we shove them all into?



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RE: The Two Americas - 11/21/2016 6:55:24 PM   
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This reminds me of an activity we do with elementary school students to teach them why hunting deer is necessary for the survival of deer.



If you're saying it would be humane to cull the democratic herd, politically/legally I'd be on board. Which prison do we shove them all into?



Michael


I wish that was all i was saying Sir.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/22/2016 7:24:43 AM   
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This reminds me of an activity we do with elementary school students to teach them why hunting deer is necessary for the survival of deer.


didnt wolves used to do that? maybe killing the wolves off wasnt such a good idea..

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/22/2016 7:42:39 AM   
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RE: The Two Americas - 11/22/2016 7:47:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		ive said this before---there is enough difference (people I disagree with) amongst conservative and libertarian kind to provide fodder for debate, compromises, the sharpening of thought, etc---to me, the collectivists are not merely "people I disagree with," they are the enemy.

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RE: The Two Americas - 11/22/2016 11:58:29 AM   
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RE: The Two Americas - 11/22/2016 9:20:35 PM   
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It doesnt suprise me that michael or tamaka is wishing to cull those people they disagree with.


It's pretty typical of the right to mistake cruelty for strength.
However, there are also times when I agree with their methods.

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