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Lucylastic -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 5:30:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I find it hilarious that a play where the cast is a racial antithesis of actual history (for the most part. I think King George was played by a white man), a production where the "minority" actors far outnumber the "fat old white men", has the temerity to lecture a minority member (Vice President-Elect pence) that walks into their audience.

It would be ironic if President-Elect trump and Vice President-Elect Pence were to live down to the expectations of these passive-aggressive little snowflakes and make sure that the entire cast is unemployed, come 21 JAN., 2017.

I also thought the thinly veiled, passive-aggressive manner in which accusations were made (so the spineless pieces of shit can deny making accusations) were inherently uncalled for. Of course, this has been a tactic of the Alinsky Left for a long time. They, also, are spineless pieces of shit.

It's really simple to allow oneself to sink to this level.

(Ex:) I would like to implore the O.P. to please stop having unnatural relations with goats.



Michael



#BoycottHamilton




Priceless [:D]




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 9:06:27 AM)

FR

Andy Borowitz: "I am starting to wonder whether a President who is afraid of a Broadway musical can defeat ISIS. "




Lucylastic -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 9:26:09 AM)

the whiny lil bitch keeps it up but......
Mike Pence, says he wasnt offended

NEW YORK — President-elect Donald Trump, in the midst of choosing his Cabinet, took time out Sunday for a second day to criticize the cast of the Broadway musical “Hamilton” and demand an apology for a message an actor delivered from the stage to Trump’s running mate about the need for diversity in America. But Vice President-elect Mike Pence said he wasn’t offended by the message.

Pence said on “Fox News Sunday” that he heard the boos and cheers when he walked into the Richard Rodgers Theatre with his nephew and daughter on Friday night to see the show. He said he told his daughter: “That’s what freedom sounds like.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-2nd-day-trump-demands-apology-from-cast-of-hamilton/2016/11/20/3662a642-af2d-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 10:42:17 AM)

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Pence said on “Fox News Sunday” that he heard the boos and cheers when he walked into the Richard Rodgers Theatre with his nephew and daughter on Friday night to see the show. He said he told his daughter: “That’s what freedom sounds like.”

Gotta give him points for that. [:)]




bounty44 -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 12:33:23 PM)

"Pence’s Hamilton Lecture Is A Reminder That Urban Elites Just Don't Get It"

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They still don’t get it. They still don’t freaking get it. The metropolitan elites (i.e. snobby liberals) simply cannot grasp that America that exists beyond the highways and the suburbs. The forgotten communities that President-elect Trump resonated in and who had their revenge on November 8 when they loudly shouted that they’re not with her [Clinton]. The working class tossed the table where the establishment of both parties sat and demanded that the agenda for the next four years change. Yet, as liberal America continues to whine about Clinton’s loss, life is going on as normal with many folks. Even Vice President-elect Mike Pence decided to see Broadway’s Hamilton, where the cast proceeded to lecture him during the curtain call. Christine wrote about it earlier this morning, which has set off a firestorm across social media and even into the communities beyond the bastions of progressives.

The night didn’t start well for Mr. Pence. He was booed at the theater, which is typical because this is New York. Everyone is either miserable or rude, which makes it a prime area for liberalism to flourish. Then, came this declaration from Brandon Victor Dixon, who play Aaron Burr in the play (via WaPo):

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Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at ‘Hamilton: An American Musical.’ We really do,” Dixon said to further applause. “We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for (sharing) this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.”

[…]

When we first got the call that [Pence] was coming, there was certainly a question of what we would do,” Dixon told the site, which covers Broadway news. “These are the opportunities that you die for.”

Dixon added that he saw Pence enjoying the show and hoped the future vice president would remember the cast.

“I truly believe we had an effect,” Dixon told the site. “… If you have differences, say something! What better place than on this stage telling this story with these people? I hope he thinks of us every time he has to deal with an issue or talk about a bill or present anything.”


Trump has called on the Hamilton cast to apologize. I don’t think they need to do that. Pence is a public figure, these folks thought he needed a lecture. But look at the statement and Dixon’s remarks. First, you’d think that some dictator was just elected, which was one of the worst instances of progressive hyperbole on the campaign trail—that Trump/Pence were literally fascists. Oh, and the endless comparisons to Hitler: nonsensical drivel that no one really cared about unless you were dumb, progressive, or lived in San Francisco. Back to Dixon’s statement, it’s crap. You have to be seriously dense to think that this administration is actually going to declare open season on Americans, our own countrymen. Our system of government is designed, unless during periods of war or rebellion, that our government just can’t take actions akin to Latin American dictatorships. Third, liberals will see this as a call to show how great diversity is in this country. Yeah, as a person of color, I get it. Woo hoo! Diversity! Yeah! There hasn’t been a single time that I’ve entered a room with Asians making up the majority of the occupants. To the Left, that can be a problem. I didn’t care. I wasn’t triggered. The room was always made up of Americans. And that’s the difference between progressives and normal people. I see fellow countrymen, all they see is race, but you already know this by now.

The main point that needs to be made about this statement is the geographic connotations. Where is Hamilton being performed? What is Broadway? All of it centered on one theme: the cities, the urban elites—we’re the people who really matter. You’re a Rust Belt governor from a country bumpkin state, who won an election because you got other working class folks behind you—and you can watch and enjoy the show—but this is where real Americans reside and where things actually matter. That's precisely wrong since you guys lost.

As I’ve written and cited before, what drove working class voters to Trump wasn’t race. Even hard-core progressives, like Michael Moore and Jon Stewart, said that this really wasn’t about race since millions of Obama supporters flipped for Trump. It was class. The utter snobbery from folks, who probably packed the halls of Broadway, to watch last night’s performance has been a grating issue between rural and urban, elite and working class, and it so happens that the elite picked a bad candidate, Clinton, to try to continue his agenda. They lost. And now they have to deal with this army of...peasants.

As Jay Caruso wrote over at RedState, the aura of the audience seemed to pretty much resemble that of disgust.

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“How dare somebody from America’s heartland take some time to watch a Broadway show! The nerve,” Caruso wrote. Right, Pence isn’t a member of this club. Despite having a Bachelor’s and a law degree, Pence is also a conservative Republican, so tough luck being accepted in any urban environment. Heck, you can be a Nobel laureate, if you trend right, you’re toast with these people, but who cares.


No, I’m not saying to boycott Hamilton or become less engaged in other pursuits. Any person has the right to see a Broadway show or whatever entertainment they choose. I’m just saying that for some people in public life, even regular Joes, your politics can be met with scorn at the venue. Hence, why Broadway and these areas typically reserved for the elite should be crashed whenever possible by conservatives; we’re against safe spaces and they do the same to us. And when the Left says, “all are welcome,” you should enter with the foreknowledge that this could be a trap. After all, the vice president-elect was ambushed. But Pence should be commended for going. For starters, it only emboldened Trump/Pence supporters. Second, even Democrats who live in Trumpland, including those who voted for Hillary, were not happy over this incident.

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Sharyl Attkisson
✔ ‎@SharylAttkisson
Some people who claim they are stereotyped and bullied seem to be stereotyping and bullying. But they seem not to see the hypocrisy.
10:29 AM - 19 Nov 2016


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Josh Jordan
✔ ‎@NumbersMuncher
The cast of Hamilton made me want to support Trump/Pence for their stunt last night more than Trump did during his entire campaign.
10:10 AM - 19 Nov 2016


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SalenaZito ✔ @SalenaZito
What happened to @mike_pence at Hamilton last night has resonated already out here on Main Street. Regular Democrats I interviewed appalled
10:36 AM - 19 Nov 2016 • Mount Lebanon, PA


...All Dixon did was serve up some left wing red meat to the already heavily progressive audience, so this if he was trying to act brave, it failed miserably. They were echoes from the bubble.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/19/pences-hamilton-lecture-is-a-reminder-that-urban-elites-just-dont-get-it-n2247932




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 1:44:27 PM)

You know, bounty, I'm gonna agree with you on this one. There's a lot that we "urban elites" don't get:

-- We don't get why a vote cast in Wyoming counts more than one cast in California or New York. We don't get why a state should be penalized for being vibrant enough to attract a large population.

-- We don't get why "rugged individualism" and "pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps" apply to all poor folks except white Republicans.

-- We don't get how "family values" are served by arguing for dissolving the marriages that hold many of our families together and threatening to shatter immigrant families through mass deportations.

-- We don't get why folks cheered when an elected official in Kentucky decided that her personal interpretation of God's will trumped the law of the land and the duties of her office.

-- We don't get how people turn a cheerful "Happy Holidays" from a retail clerk into an assault on their faith. We don't get the assumption that Christmas is the only holiday that counts in a season full of them.

-- We don't get why Rust Belt folk argue that they, and only they, should be exempt from the laws of economics.

-- We don't get why a party that has spent decades telling us not to trust the government is now surprised and offended that we're reluctant to trust Trump and Pence.

-- We don't get how we're expected to "come together" with Americans who chose to support a man who spent the whole campaign demonizing vast groups of people.

-- We don't get how struggling red staters have decided that their salvation lies in a billionaire who lives in a gold-plated Manhattan triplex and is notorious for stiffing those for work for him.

-- We don't get why we're expected to respect and understand Americans who have no interest in respecting or understanding us.

-- We don't get how "patriots" rally round a guy who calls for jailing his political opponents and muzzling the press.

-- We don't get how anyone can see the eruptions of hatred since the election and not find them disquieting.

-- We don't get how folks who've spent the last eight years being as obstructionist as possible, including denying a highly qualified Supreme Court nominee even the courtesy of a hearing, now have the gall to lecture us about the need to "support" the president-elect.

Yep, there's plenty we don't get about the U.S. of A. these days.




bounty44 -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 2:29:06 PM)

without taking each one of those line items to task---some potentially worthy, others semi-hysterical misrepresentations---let me say this:

if I take my brother to task for his bad behavior, a just defense does not include his pointing to the bad behavior of our sister.

unless you can make a direct connection between every one of those points, and the article I posted above, deal with what's in front of you instead of shifting the discussion somewhere else.




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 3:59:55 PM)

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unless you can make a direct connection between every one of those points, and the article I posted above, deal with what's in front of you instead of shifting the discussion somewhere else.

Well, bless your heart.

Maybe you can draft--or cut and paste--a little rule book letting us know what we're all allowed to post.




tamaka -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 4:33:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

You know, bounty, I'm gonna agree with you on this one. There's a lot that we "urban elites" don't get:

-- We don't get why a vote cast in Wyoming counts more than one cast in California or New York. We don't get why a state should be penalized for being vibrant enough to attract a large population.

-- We don't get why "rugged individualism" and "pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps" apply to all poor folks except white Republicans.

-- We don't get how "family values" are served by arguing for dissolving the marriages that hold many of our families together and threatening to shatter immigrant families through mass deportations.

-- We don't get why folks cheered when an elected official in Kentucky decided that her personal interpretation of God's will trumped the law of the land and the duties of her office.

-- We don't get how people turn a cheerful "Happy Holidays" from a retail clerk into an assault on their faith. We don't get the assumption that Christmas is the only holiday that counts in a season full of them.

-- We don't get why Rust Belt folk argue that they, and only they, should be exempt from the laws of economics.

-- We don't get why a party that has spent decades telling us not to trust the government is now surprised and offended that we're reluctant to trust Trump and Pence.

-- We don't get how we're expected to "come together" with Americans who chose to support a man who spent the whole campaign demonizing vast groups of people.

-- We don't get how struggling red staters have decided that their salvation lies in a billionaire who lives in a gold-plated Manhattan triplex and is notorious for stiffing those for work for him.

-- We don't get why we're expected to respect and understand Americans who have no interest in respecting or understanding us.

-- We don't get how "patriots" rally round a guy who calls for jailing his political opponents and muzzling the press.

-- We don't get how anyone can see the eruptions of hatred since the election and not find them disquieting.

-- We don't get how folks who've spent the last eight years being as obstructionist as possible, including denying a highly qualified Supreme Court nominee even the courtesy of a hearing, now have the gall to lecture us about the need to "support" the president-elect.

Yep, there's plenty we don't get about the U.S. of A. these days.



We don't get why you're so focused and worried that the shutters need paint when the foundation is crumbling and falling apart beneath us.




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 4:39:29 PM)

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We don't get why you're so focused and worried that the shutters need paint when the foundation is crumbling and falling apart beneath us.

Interesting image. What do you see as the shutters?




tamaka -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 4:52:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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We don't get why you're so focused and worried that the shutters need paint when the foundation is crumbling and falling apart beneath us.

Interesting image. What do you see as the shutters?


Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance. It's time to come together as Americans and figure out how to fix the country... not try to tear it apart. I swear the leftist are bipolar having a manic episode greating their own delusions to avoid focusing on the fundamental things that need to be done.




ifmaz -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 5:20:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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We don't get why you're so focused and worried that the shutters need paint when the foundation is crumbling and falling apart beneath us.

Interesting image. What do you see as the shutters?


Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance. It's time to come together as Americans and figure out how to fix the country... not try to tear it apart. I swear the leftist are bipolar having a manic episode greating their own delusions to avoid focusing on the fundamental things that need to be done.


Did you seriously just say we all need to come together only to berate others in the very next sentence?




tamaka -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 5:31:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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We don't get why you're so focused and worried that the shutters need paint when the foundation is crumbling and falling apart beneath us.

Interesting image. What do you see as the shutters?


Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance. It's time to come together as Americans and figure out how to fix the country... not try to tear it apart. I swear the leftist are bipolar having a manic episode greating their own delusions to avoid focusing on the fundamental things that need to be done.


Did you seriously just say we all need to come together only to berate others in the very next sentence?



Yep... i believe in tough love when needed. No need to spend the next whatever amount of time licking your wounds when it's time to get up and move on. I am the oldest child, a manager (a great one actually), a teacher (pretty good at that too) and a scorpio... in short, i'm not a politician.




thompsonx -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 6:33:29 PM)

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance. It's time to come together as Americans and figure out how to fix the country... not try to tear it apart. I swear the leftist are bipolar having a manic episode greating their own delusions to avoid focusing on the fundamental things that need to be done.


What,exactly, are these things that need to be done to make amerika great again?




thompsonx -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 6:36:38 PM)


ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yep... i believe in tough love when needed.

What,precisely is this tough love you speak of with such reverence?


No need to spend the next whatever amount of time licking your wounds when it's time to get up and move on.


Move on to what?Please be specific.




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 7:37:14 PM)

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Did you seriously just say we all need to come together only to berate others in the very next sentence?

[:)]




sloguy02246 -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 7:51:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance.


Well, then again I must admit that is an accurate description of most of Trump's entire campaign content.




subrob1967 -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 7:57:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance.


Well, then again I must admit that is an accurate description of most of Trump's entire campaign content.



Yet he won, Hillary lost, get over it.




subrob1967 -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 7:59:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

You know, bounty, I'm gonna agree with you on this one. There's a lot that we "urban elites" don't get:

-- We don't get why a vote cast in Wyoming counts more than one cast in California or New York. We don't get why a state should be penalized for being vibrant enough to attract a large population.

-- We don't get why "rugged individualism" and "pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps" apply to all poor folks except white Republicans.

-- We don't get how "family values" are served by arguing for dissolving the marriages that hold many of our families together and threatening to shatter immigrant families through mass deportations.

-- We don't get why folks cheered when an elected official in Kentucky decided that her personal interpretation of God's will trumped the law of the land and the duties of her office.

-- We don't get how people turn a cheerful "Happy Holidays" from a retail clerk into an assault on their faith. We don't get the assumption that Christmas is the only holiday that counts in a season full of them.

-- We don't get why Rust Belt folk argue that they, and only they, should be exempt from the laws of economics.

-- We don't get why a party that has spent decades telling us not to trust the government is now surprised and offended that we're reluctant to trust Trump and Pence.

-- We don't get how we're expected to "come together" with Americans who chose to support a man who spent the whole campaign demonizing vast groups of people.

-- We don't get how struggling red staters have decided that their salvation lies in a billionaire who lives in a gold-plated Manhattan triplex and is notorious for stiffing those for work for him.

-- We don't get why we're expected to respect and understand Americans who have no interest in respecting or understanding us.

-- We don't get how "patriots" rally round a guy who calls for jailing his political opponents and muzzling the press.

-- We don't get how anyone can see the eruptions of hatred since the election and not find them disquieting.

-- We don't get how folks who've spent the last eight years being as obstructionist as possible, including denying a highly qualified Supreme Court nominee even the courtesy of a hearing, now have the gall to lecture us about the need to "support" the president-elect.

Yep, there's plenty we don't get about the U.S. of A. these days.



Even after admitting your ignorance, you still find the time to post your opinion on America in almost if not every thread... Why is that?




dcnovice -> RE: Who Needs a Safe Space Now? (11/20/2016 8:00:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Honestly... pretty much all of it is just emotional nonsense with little substance.


Well, then again I must admit that is an accurate description of most of Trump's entire campaign content.



Yet he won, Hillary lost, get over it.

Your statement and sloguy's are not mutually exclusive.




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