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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 5:19:36 PM   
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Btw whomever runs this site needs to archive old data on this site... you have too much data which is most likely why there are problems.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 5:43:57 PM   
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I am not pro islam, I am anti fundamentalist.... of ANY organised religion. I am anti anyones religion interfering with anybodies legal, human and civil rights.
That includes any abrahamic religion that seeks to make law in the name of one twue religion.
All Terrorists should die painful deaths.







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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 6:15:34 PM   
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If you were to meet a Muslim, get to know her well ... and begin to realise that she doesn't think of you as subhuman at all ... would you then think she's not a true or real Muslim?


I believe that she will think of me what her religion teaches her to think of me. Today they might not be stressing those things but someday they will. The ideology is one of supremacy in every way. We need to understand what we are actually dealing with. I believe Islam is like a trojan horse right now.


I posted this two Februarys ago and reposted it last January, worth sharing again:

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Islam: Religion of the sword?

"Unlike Christianity or Judaism, Islam's religious history is inseparable from its conquests -- which is why the concept of holy war lives on today.

"The unfortunate truth of the matter is that Muslim violence against the civilian populations of other religions goes right back to the origin of Islam in the 7th century A.D. According to Islamic holy texts, Muhammad himself presided over the extermination of the Jews of Khaybar in 629, an event that the Quran calls a “glorious victory” (48:1). (To be fair, some historians have questioned the historicity of this massacre.) In addition, despite the later evenhandedness of rulers like Saladdin, the original Islamic conquest of Jerusalem was a bloody affair, as was the introduction of Islam to North Africa and India.

"… jihad is historically and textually ambivalent. It could be interpreted as a simple struggle with oneself, like wrestling with your conscience. It could also, however, be interpreted as acts of physical violence against non-Muslims. There might be rules regarding civilian noncombatants — and then again, there might not be. The idea of jihad, like many ideas in the Quran, is a Janus-faced idea with two or more possible interpretations, all supported by scripture. Historically, numerous interpretations have been drawn from the Quran in relation to jihad by different groups with different agendas. A Rorschach test.

"To an extent, this ambivalence exists in many religions, including Judaism and Christianity. Muslims are not the only ones to have waged wars in the name of religion. So have Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists. The validity of the comparison ends there, however. It seems plain that Islam is confronted by the problem of religious violence in ways that other religions are not. In the world today, the locus of most religious violence is the Muslim world. And Islam is the only religion that has spawned a wandering group of holy warriors, traveling from conflict to conflict fighting the enemies of Islam wherever they see them —

"There are some who say that the real antagonists are fundamentalism and modernity, that the real conflict is between a medieval mind-set and a modern one. In a recent New York Times Magazine article, Andrew Sullivan stated, “This surely is a religious war — but not of Islam versus Christianity and Judaism. Rather, it is a war of fundamentalism against faiths of all kinds that are at peace with freedom and modernity.”

"There is some truth to this, but it does not fully explain the situation. Fundamentalism, as a literal and nonhistoric approach to religious scripture, exists in every tradition, but only in Islam does it go hand in hand with widespread violence…

"The fact of Muslim military might is the rock on which the entire community of the faithful is erected. The Muslim state, with Muhammad at its head, predates the collection of the Hadith (narrations about the life of Muhammad) and the writing of the Quran itself. In Islam, it is not the religious message that promotes the faith into the halls of political power as in Judaism and Christianity, it is an original state of political and military strength that promotes the religious message.

"Looked at this way, jihad is not a secondary concept in the development of Islam — something grafted onto the original religious message — rather it is the very origin of Islam, the sine qua non of the faith."

http://www.salon.com/2001/10/11/sword/ (not exactly fox news there...so...)


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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 7:14:43 PM   
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If you were to meet a Muslim, get to know her well ... and begin to realise that she doesn't think of you as subhuman at all ... would you then think she's not a true or real Muslim?

Of course.
Muslims aren't suppose to be friendly with infidels. Even the Mosques here preaches that shit. My Muslim friends tell me, they are taught since kids, but many of them feel conflicted, as they like their non-Muslim friends, but their Imam teaches them that the Quran says not to associate with non-Muslims. And some of them are like, fuck that! Pretty much most human beings will pick and choose what religious rules they wanna follow anyway. So just because they choose not to follow the evil parts of Islam, doesn't make Islam peaceful at all! It just mean, they are conflicted and individuals with personal beliefs that conflict with their religion. And choose to go with their personal beliefs.

But I always said that, the Muslims that disobey and breaks as much Islamic rules as possible are the Muslims I feel safest with. The ones that club, drink alcohol, eat pork, doesn't pray 5 times a day, or wear their Muslim gear. Are the ones I become friends with because they aren't religious! Religious people of all kinds scares the fuck out of me. Even fundamental staunch Christians. You will find that, I am seldom friends with Church going folks either. Only Christians who don't go to church. As their attitude is night and day. The Christians who don't go to church, at least in my country, are less judgemental and more chill.

My problem with fundalmental staunch christians around here is. For example, one simple example. One of my favourite bands is Bad Religion. And this is their logo.



And I love wearing their T-shirt. Staunch Christians always walk up to me, and scold me saying I am being so rude and insensitive towards their religion and I should stop wearing that shirt. To me, overtly religious folks are all against freedom. They are trying to prevent me from wearing my T-shirt of my favourite band? Fuck them!

The churches here were campaigning against Pink Dot. Which is basically a Protest for gay marriage to be legalised here. I am not for gay marriage either. BUT I think it's ridiculous for Churches to try to influence the government to stop their event. Fortunately, our government is very strongly secular and don't entertain religious requests.

So ANYBODY on this thread bringing up the evils of Christianity, is not proving to me that Islam is the lesser evil than Christianity at all.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:40:27 PM   
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You need to understand that 'People of the Book' are only those who consider Jesus to be a prophet... not the Son of God.

No, well at least not to my understanding. have you got some sort of source that confirms that?

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then you are guilty of shirk... an unforgivable sin, and you are going to hell.

Yeah, so what. If you aren't a member of whatever Christian cult you choose then you are going to Hell as well. What's your point? That Islam is just as intolerant of other religions as other religions?

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:44:10 PM   
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The Trinity you speak of are the Abrahamic Faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Islam

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:44:24 PM   
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its the pet religion of the left.

No, only somebody who does not actually apy attention to what other people would say would think that. Or a total idiot, I guess, I'll let you all decide which applies to you.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:45:51 PM   
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You are referring to the Quran i would suppose.


he's referring to your posting anything negative about islam.

its the pet religion of the left.




Strange since Islam is so antithetical to everything the left espouses to stand for.


Just like how Christianity is pretty much antithetical to everything you claim to stand for.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:48:26 PM   
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Here is a very reputable site explaining to Catholics why they are idolater . (So you are going to hell... btw).

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10473/viewall/idolatry/

And according to Catholic doctrine, all non-Catholic Christians are going to Hell, so what's your point? That Islam and catholicism are equally intolerant of different religions?

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:51:31 PM   
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You are referring to the Quran i would suppose.


he's referring to your posting anything negative about islam.

its the pet religion of the left.




Strange since Islam is so antithetical to everything the left espouses to stand for.


Just like how Christianity is pretty much antithetical to everything you claim to stand for.


Not really. Christianity doesn't dehumanize people who don't follow it.


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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:52:26 PM   
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The ideology is one of supremacy in every way.

I hope you do realize that that applies to almost all evangelical religions.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:54:50 PM   
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Here is a very reputable site explaining to Catholics why they are idolater . (So you are going to hell... btw).

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10473/viewall/idolatry/

And according to Catholic doctrine, all non-Catholic Christians are going to Hell, so what's your point? That Islam and catholicism are equally intolerant of different religions?



Islam is trying to convert people away from Christianity to Islam. That is my point. They are not only here to practice their faith but to spread it... is my point.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:57:23 PM   
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The Trinity you speak of are the Abrahamic Faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Islam


No... it isn't.

http://www.islamreligion.com/index.php?searchword=Trinity&option=search&fromform=1&modifier=entire

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 8:58:08 PM   
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It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

That hardly surprises me, as you quite clearly know next to nothing about Islam or Christianity. Your confusion is rooted in your ignorance and would be greatly alleviated if you took a few years to study the doctrines of the various religions you wish to talk about.

It really is a fascinating subject, and well worth the time and effort.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:03:56 PM   
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Not really. Christianity doesn't dehumanize people who don't follow it.


nah its never happened not once, lol
talk about bait....obvious troll is obvious.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:05:11 PM   
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Here is a very reputable site explaining to Catholics why they are idolater . (So you are going to hell... btw).

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10473/viewall/idolatry/

And according to Catholic doctrine, all non-Catholic Christians are going to Hell, so what's your point? That Islam and catholicism are equally intolerant of different religions?



Islam is trying to convert people away from Christianity to Islam. That is my point. They are not only here to practice their faith but to spread it... is my point.

LMAO Converting non believers is a tenet of all religions

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:06:29 PM   
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It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

That hardly surprises me, as you quite clearly know next to nothing about Islam or Christianity. Your confusion is rooted in your ignorance and would be greatly alleviated if you took a few years to study the doctrines of the various religions you wish to talk about.

It really is a fascinating subject, and well worth the time and effort.


I know an awful lot about Christianity... i practiced it and studied it quite extensively. I am just learning about Islam now.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:23:13 PM   
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You need to understand that 'People of the Book' are only those who consider Jesus to be a prophet... not the Son of God. If you believe that God is a Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) which is of course, the basis of Christianity... then you are guilty of shirk... an unforgivable sin, and you are going to hell.

http://www.brotherpete.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm


The only unforgivable sin for a christian is blasphemy of the holy spirit.
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’."
Luke 12:8-10: "I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin.
http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/why-blasphemy-against-holy-spirit-unpardonable-sin
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/unforgivable-sin/

Even the seven deadly sins can be forgiven, in christianity.

Shirk is usually a muslim sin, not christian.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:31:21 PM   
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You need to understand that 'People of the Book' are only those who consider Jesus to be a prophet... not the Son of God. If you believe that God is a Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) which is of course, the basis of Christianity... then you are guilty of shirk... an unforgivable sin, and you are going to hell.

http://www.brotherpete.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm


The only unforgivable sin for a christian is blasphemy of the holy spirit.
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’."
Luke 12:8-10: "I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin.
http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/why-blasphemy-against-holy-spirit-unpardonable-sin
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/unforgivable-sin/

Even the seven deadly sins can be forgiven, in christianity.

Shirk is usually a muslim sin, not christian.


Yes i know that. But my point is i think casual observers think that Muslims believe that Jews and Christians are ok. My point is that they don't.

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RE: Islam - 11/29/2016 9:32:58 PM   
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How many muslims have you actually met?

PS edited to say, you failed dismally in making your "points", quite badly. So Im not buying it.


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