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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 6:58:20 AM   
thompsonx


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I have seen people fainting here from fasting during ramadan.

You are making shit up again dumbass.



Goign without eating and drinking from 7am to 7pm is still a challenge.

But but but you just told us that they didn't eat or drink for a month


Plus having to go about your normal daily job and focus.

Catholics do it...are you saying that muslims are pussies because they cant or that you percieve with your tiny little shit filled mind that they cant?

What if someone was working in construction and need physical strength ya know?

What if bullfrogs had springs on their ass then they would not bump it everytime they landed


And I can't even imagine trying to mentally concentrate with immense hunger all day.


It is what fat people do when they want to loose weight...it is called a diet.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:00:36 AM   
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a quick note to a few of you who think otherwise (to reiterate tamaka): there is no Christian equivalent to Islam's goal of wedding state and religion.

College boi never heard of the"divine right" of kings?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

on the whole, Christians are not interested in a theocracy, nor are they admonished to, and having laws or individual people in government whose actions reflect Christian morality is not the same thing as setting up one.


What would you call the vatican?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:04:07 AM   
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I don't mean spiritual supremacy. I mean supremacy now... here on earth. They believe Muslims are supreme over non Muslims here on earth now. Christianity has nothing like this:

Mormons and j.w.s go door to door trying to convince "non believers" that they are superior.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:09:56 AM   
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You are not grasping my point. Islam is not just a religion... it is a system of laws and regulations for society. And it does not accept Christianity and Judaism as equal partners like i think alot of people think they do. They convert people to their religion and then seize political power. For them, there is no 'separation of church and state'.

Amerikans fought a war to establish the seperation of church and state and the jesus phreques are still trying to undo that concept. You were part of the wedding cake discussion. How many states have tried to reinstate the supremacy of the religious authority over the secular in this matter alone?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:11:42 AM   
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Yeah, I hear ya, it is difficult to get free of it's clutches (apostate Catholic here). And yeah, the rocks sorta give me pause as well. maybe I should call myself an non-lithic pantheistic animist.

Many believe that the stones totally rock.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:33:47 AM   
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I have seen people fainting here from fasting during ramadan.

You are making shit up again dumbass.

I've seen it here too - so it does happen.
Not often, granted. But it does happen.
So no, she's not making up shit again.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Goign without eating and drinking from 7am to 7pm is still a challenge.

But but but you just told us that they didn't eat or drink for a month

And then further clarified this was from 7am to 7pm.
Not quite sure where she got that from but here (so I'm told) it's from dawn to dusk; ie, daylight hours.

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Plus having to go about your normal daily job and focus.

Catholics do it...are you saying that muslims are pussies because they cant or that you percieve with your tiny little shit filled mind that they cant?

Where does it state in the catholic bible that you must fast for a month??
Muslims believe you must do it to cleans the body and I believe it states that in the Quran.
I don't remember reading anything of the sort in any christian bible.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
What if someone was working in construction and need physical strength ya know?

What if bullfrogs had springs on their ass then they would not bump it everytime they landed

And your point is??
What if you had wheels instead of legs, you wouldn't have to walk.
I don't see any point in this asinine comment.

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And I can't even imagine trying to mentally concentrate with immense hunger all day.

It is what fat people do when they want to loose weight...it is called a diet.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

What the muslims do is not a diet.
It is required of them as part of their religion, not a choice to lose weight.


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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:55:51 AM   
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Not quite sure where she got that from but here (so I'm told) it's from dawn to dusk; ie, daylight hours.

Because I live in Singapore and 7am to 7pm is where the light is. After these hours, it's dark. We have no seasons, so it's standard all year around.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 7:57:14 AM   
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TROP is a non-partisan, fact-based site which examines the ideological threat that Islam poses to human dignity and freedom.


LMAO!!!

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 8:04:13 AM   
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Not quite sure where she got that from but here (so I'm told) it's from dawn to dusk; ie, daylight hours.

Because I live in Singapore and 7am to 7pm is where the light is. After these hours, it's dark. We have no seasons, so it's standard all year around.

Come to think of it. Those living in countries with 3 hours of daylight only, should be Muslims! Fasting will be so much easier! Ha!
And countries with seasons gotta be worst. like daylight at 4am and sun goes down at 9pm. That's way more than 12 hours of no food and water!

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 8:24:06 AM   
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Islam is today's enemy.

Tomorrow, next year, next decade . . . a different enemy, a different threat.

Endless propaganda to suck money into the military-industrial complex and to give politicians a basis to pretend they are important to our safety.

Islam is not an imminent threat nor is it an existential threat.

Islam is only our current bogey man.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 8:36:00 AM   
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BTW Thompson

You always tell me to google. Why don't you google about Muslims fainting during Ramadan?

http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/25157/is-it-wrong-if-i-broke-my-fast-intentionally-because-i-fainted-and-was-feeling-v

https://islaminaction.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/fainting-and-fasting/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A2oKmL7B_T5YUTwAd6Uj4gt.;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNG5uNjBwBGNvbG8Dc2czBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDUzAzMjZfMQRzZWMDc3I-?qid=20080915073039AA1JXEu&p=muslim%20fainting%20during%20ramadan
This dude says he has no problem fasting in a cool country like England, but fainted when fasting in a warm climate country.

https://islamqa.info/en/65633
This last one, she was dizzy and vomiting, typical of gastritis I believe, from not eating regular meals! Weak stomach people will experience this.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 8:52:44 AM   
bounty44


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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


so in this case he'll either be thanking you for "disabusing him of his ignorance" or providing information from reputable sources that no muslims ever faint during Ramadan (good luck on that one troll).

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 9:13:27 AM   
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You are not grasping my point. Islam is not just a religion... it is a system of laws and regulations for society. ...


Which religion isn't? Your "point" matches every other religion as well.


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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 9:22:45 AM   
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quote:

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You are not grasping my point. Islam is not just a religion... it is a system of laws and regulations for society. ...


Which religion isn't? Your "point" matches every other religion as well.




Christianity has nothing like this:


http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 10:39:03 AM   
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quote:

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You are not grasping my point. Islam is not just a religion... it is a system of laws and regulations for society. ...


Which religion isn't? Your "point" matches every other religion as well.



Not quite.


What tamaka is saying is that for Islam, there is no distinction between law and religion; they are one and the same.
The Islamic religion depicts the law as well.

That is not true for most other religions on the planet.
They might like to think that they control peoples lives but laws usually get in the way somewhere along the line.

For Islamics, they don't recognise anything other than Islamic doctrine.
They barely pay lip-service to any other laws and do as little as they absolutely must to not get hauled into jail.

This is what she is saying.



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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 12:07:25 PM   
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Not quite.

What tamaka is saying is that for Islam, there is no distinction between law and religion; they are one and the same.
The Islamic religion depicts the law as well.

That is not true for most other religions on the planet.
They might like to think that they control peoples lives but laws usually get in the way somewhere along the line.

For Islamics, they don't recognise anything other than Islamic doctrine.
They barely pay lip-service to any other laws and do as little as they absolutely must to not get hauled into jail.

This is what she is saying.


But there's a difference between Muslims who live in an Islamic State and Muslims who live in say, America.

If a Muslim lives in a non-Islamic state, I'm pretty sure they know that they could get into serious trouble if they ignore the laws of the country they're living in. If they DON'T understand this, they're going to end up learning the hard way.

Obviously non-Muslims won't be making the laws in an Islamic State... that's just silly.

NO, I am NOT defending or advocating religious states of any denomination, just saying that there's a difference between being a Muslim and being a citizen of an Islamic State.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 12:48:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Religion what do any of you know of its origin open your fuking eyes/mind...and when you do you will become lost in time immemorial / prehistory.

That aside all you lot know I would ban it all and i have said why countless times.

Islam =
1. relative new comer
a. Scientology is that a charity?
2. Go live in a cave and hear the voice of god - you get locked up for that these days.
3. Lose all your original writings...not original, they were borrowed heavily from all that came before and tinged with fuking madness.
4. Declare yourself the last prophet - how fuking convenient - what if the God/gods chap had a bit of a change of mind?

I'd ban it and right after that you fuk nuts who say in god we trust


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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 12:56:58 PM   
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You are not grasping my point. Islam is not just a religion... it is a system of laws and regulations for society. ...


Which religion isn't? Your "point" matches every other religion as well.



Not quite.


What tamaka is saying is that for Islam, there is no distinction between law and religion; they are one and the same.
The Islamic religion depicts the law as well.

That is not true for most other religions on the planet.
They might like to think that they control peoples lives but laws usually get in the way somewhere along the line.

For Islamics, they don't recognise anything other than Islamic doctrine.
They barely pay lip-service to any other laws and do as little as they absolutely must to not get hauled into jail.

This is what she is saying.




It may be what she is saying - but it is wrong nonetheless.

The possibility to ignore religious law because secular authorities have widely (but not completely) taken most means of power away from religious authorities within the last 2 centuries in the west has nothing to do with religious laws influencing lives in secular communities to a wide degree and all over the globe, including restrictions and punishments not covered by secular laws.

This is true for most religions on the planet.

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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 1:34:26 PM   
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Secular law trumps religious rules and most religions acknowledge that.
And to take just one example, the ten commandments, actually mimic most western society secular law.
Or to be more exact, western secular law is loosely based on christian principles and values and generally the two don't clash.
In that sense, secular law can be quite easily separated from religious teaching.
Most christian religions are quite happy (generally) to tell followers to obey the law first and accept that religion is usually second in line.

Islamic doctrine is completely different.
For them, Islam IS the law.
And many will follow Islamic practices against secular law quite deliberately.
Many Muslims believe it is Islam first, secular law second.
That is why we hear of so many honour killings, FGM and arranged marriages; they firmly believe they are right and justified to do those things because it is allowed within Islam.
Quite a different outlook on secular law compared to most christian-based religions.

This is the distinction she is pointing out which you seem to fail to grasp.
IMHO, she is not wrong.


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RE: Islam - 11/30/2016 1:55:54 PM   
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But there's a difference between Muslims who live in an Islamic State and Muslims who live in say, America.

Not for most Muslims.
They strongly believe everyone else should convert to Islam.
Muslims believe that Islamic doctrine is above any secular laws wherever they are.

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If a Muslim lives in a non-Islamic state, I'm pretty sure they know that they could get into serious trouble if they ignore the laws of the country they're living in. If they DON'T understand this, they're going to end up learning the hard way.

Only if they get caught!!!
Why do you think so many honour killings are carried out and the law only finds out about a tiny fraction of them after the event?
Because Muslims tend to cover it up within their community and because they feel they are justified in doing it.

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Obviously non-Muslims won't be making the laws in an Islamic State... that's just silly.

But they want western societies to bend to Islam wherever they can pull the race card.

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NO, I am NOT defending or advocating religious states of any denomination, just saying that there's a difference between being a Muslim and being a citizen of an Islamic State.

Not to a Muslim.


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