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well, from my first- hand experience they have children here that we now have to pay for, they flood schools with non English speaking children, they use false documents to obtain jobs that an American citizen could use, they increase the need for services such as police, etc, they drive drunk on our roads, and stuff like that...

So they behave exactly like US citizens then, so what's the problem, I would think they would fit right in? And what's wrong with non-English speaking people, English is not the official language of the US (hint: There is no official language of the US). What's more, I would think that your much vaunted freedom of speech would include the choice of language in which to do that speechifying, wouldn't you?

What was i thinking? Of course ... the ability to communicate within a society isn't important at all.

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the leftie position is de facto "illegal immigration---good."

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Good afternoon. My name is John M. Morganelli and I am the elected District Attorney in Northampton County, Pennsylvania. I have served as District Attorney for twelve (12) years and I am a past President of the Pennsylvania District Attorneys Association, a statewide Association of prosecutors in Pennsylvania…

Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today’s federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens. The numerous crimes being committed by illegal aliens such as identity theft, fraud and use of false identification is causing havoc with record-keeping systems including but not limited to Social Security, income tax and other compilation of data that we have routinely relied upon for accuracy and identity verification. Just about every day, municipal and state police come in contact with illegal aliens who are utilizing fraudulent documents, false names and other people’s identities. Identification of these individuals is impossible and, quite frankly, many of the illegal aliens committing crimes here in the United States have criminal records from their country of origin which cannot be ascertained because of their continuous use of false identities. Clearly, in addition to being a crime issue, the growing population of illegal aliens in the United States is without a doubt the single most important national security issue facing us. As an example of that, in May 2002 federal agents arrested 2 Egyptian nationals for trying to smuggle illegal Middle Eastern immigrants into New Jersey by way of Mexico. For a fee of $8,000.00, court documents showed the suspected smuggling ring flew customers on tourist visas to Brazil, then sent them to Guatemala through Mexico and finally across the southwest border into the U.S. With regard to our northern border in Blaine, Washington, a retired Deputy Chief of Border Patrol Agent Eugene Davis stated recently that there has been no effort to locate 95% of aliens apprehended in his region over the past 10 years and released pending deportation hearings. According to Davis, these illegal aliens have simply been allowed to disappear into the United States. No one knows whether a number of these missing persons are trained terrorists who will emerge to perpetrate more acts of terrorism inside the United States. ..

In Pennsylvania the financial cost to taxpayers is staggering. Pennsylvania requested compensation from the federal government in fiscal year 1999 for the incarceration expenses for about 196,676 days of detention for illegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons. The cost to Pennsylvania taxpayers amounted to $13,350,000.00. Under the “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program” (SCAAP), Pennsylvania received $5 million leaving $8 million of uncompensated cost to be footed by Pennsylvania taxpayers. In fiscal year 2000, Pennsylvania received $4.3 million. Payments to the states were lower overall so local taxpayers were faced to absorb a much larger share of the cost of criminal illegal alien incarceration. Clearly, illegal immigration into the United States is a negative and not a plus and must be addressed for a variety of the aforesaid reasons...

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The federal government can tell you how many "Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders" stole a car, the precise number of "American Indian or Alaska Natives" who were arrested for vagrancy or how many whites were busted for counterfeiting in any given year. But the government agencies that crunch crime numbers are utterly unable -- or unwilling -- to pinpoint for the public how many illegal immigrants are arrested within U.S. borders each year.

In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest...

Adams [former Department of Justice attorney] called illegal immigrant crime a "wave of staggering proportions." He and other experts noted that the issue has been dragged into the spotlight by a spate of cases in which illegal immigrants with criminal records killed people after being released from custody because of incoherent procedures and a lack of cooperation between local and federal law enforcement officials. The murders, including the July 1 killing of Kathryn Steinle, allegedly by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco, have left grieving loved ones angry and confused, local and federal officials pointing fingers at one another and the voting public demanding secure borders and swift deportation of non-citizen criminals.

“Every one [of the recent cases] was preventable through better border security and enforcing immigration laws,” said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies. “They should have been sent back to their home country instead of being allowed to stay here and have the opportunity to kill Americans.”

A spokesperson for U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement told FoxNews.com that comprehensive statistics on illegal immigrant crime are not available from the federal government, and suggested contacting county, state and federal jail and prison systems individually to compose a tally, a process that would encompass thousands of local departments.

FoxNews.com did review reports from immigration reform groups and various government agencies, including the U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Sentencing Commission, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Government Accountability Office, the Bureau of Justice Statistics and several state and county correctional departments. Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.

Critics say better border security is needed to keep illegal immigrants out, but those caught committing crimes here must be imprisoned and deported. (AP)

There are approximately 2.1 million legal or illegal immigrants with criminal convictions living free or behind bars in the U.S., according to ICE's Secure Communities office. Each year, about 900,000 legal and illegal immigrants are arrested, and 700,000 are released from jail, prison, or probation. ICE estimates that there are more than 1.2 million criminal aliens at large in the U.S.

In the most recent figures available, a Government Accountability Office report titled, "Criminal Alien Statistics," found there were 55,000 illegal immigrants in federal prison and 296,000 in state and local lockups in 2011. Experts agree those figures have almost certainly risen, although executive orders from the Obama administration may have changed the status of thousands who previously would have been counted as illegal immigrants.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals are being deported. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs, Vaughan said. As of August, ICE had already released at least 10,246 criminal aliens…

Adams opened a rare window into the dearth of public data when he obtained an internal report compiled by the Texas Department of Public Safety and revealed its contents on his Pajamas Media blog. The report showed that between 2008 and 2014, noncitizens in Texas -- a group that includes illegal and legal immigrants -- committed 611,234 crimes, including nearly 3,000 homicides. Adams told FoxNews.com that other states have also closely tracked illegal immigrant crime, especially in the wake of 9/11, but said the statistical sorting “is done behind closed doors.” States closely guard the statistics out of either fear of reprisals from the federal government or out of their leaders' own insistence on downplaying the burden of illegal immigrant crime, he said…

A smattering of statistics can be teased out of data made public in other states heavily impacted by illegal immigration, although a full picture or apples-to-apples comparison remains elusive.

■ In Florida, there were 5,061 illegal immigrant inmates in state prison facilities as of June 30, but neither the state Department of Corrections nor the Florida Department of Law Enforcement track the number in county prisons, spokesmen for those agencies told FoxNews.com.
■ In Illinois, where state prisons house 46,993 inmates, some 3,755 are illegal immigrants, according to Illinois Department of Corrections figures. Once again, state officials do not compile figures for county jails, although a Cook County official estimated that nearly 6 percent were illegal immigrants.
■ In Arizona, neither state public safety officials nor the governor’s office could produce figures showing the number of criminal illegal immigrants held in county jails, but state prison figures released by the Arizona Department of Corrections show out of 42,758 prisoners held in state facilities in July, about 10.8 percent were illegal immigrants.
■ In California, there were 128,543 inmates in custody as of Aug. 12, but the state, which has been criticized for its leniency toward illegal immigrants, no longer keeps track of the citizenship status of inmates. As of July 31, 2013, the last time figures were documented, there were as many as 18,000 “foreign-born” citizens in California state prisons of 133,000 incarcerated. The Board of State and Community Corrections provided figures to Fox News from 2014, showing there were 142,000 inmates in 120 county prisons, but while everything from mental health cases to dental and medical appointments are closely tracked, the number of illegal aliens -- or even non citizens -- is not.

“Frankly, this is something every state should track, but they don’t. Not even ICE publishes this much information on offenders and immigration status,” Vaughan said…

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I have no issues with foreign cultures and Delight is the reaction to finally getting shit done.

And BTW, if ya think the wall, or a fence, ditch or moat is silly, what would you suggest?

The Nazis didn't openly claim to have issues with foreign cultures either, so long as they were confined to their own space. No matter how much people tiptoe around the issue or feign outrage at the illegality of it all-- the real reason some people are so aggressively opposed to amnesty and prefer a ridiculously expensive, completely ineffective wall is because they don't want an influx of Latinos taking over 'their' nation, and the wall represents a barrier between the white majority and the foreign hordes. That's really all it is and will ever be-- a symbol of their own fear of the other.

They've already tried going after the illegals themselves, it was expensive and didn't work. They've tried going after the people who employ them, it was expensive and didn't work. Amnesty is without a doubt the cheapest, easiest solution. Take the money that would have otherwise gone to task forces, processing and deportations and use it to beef up border security. The illegals will identify themselves and then they will have to compete with other legal workers with legal salaries and legal working conditions, which is sort of the whole point... except for the idiots who think these people must be punished and white America must be preserved. Meanwhile, border security has more money and resources to do their jobs more effectively.

It's a good idea that was derailed by retarded conspiracy theorists who think it's about manufacturing democrat voters, racists who want everyone to worry about the future of the white race, and the GOP politicians who need to spin everything into a doomsday scenario in order to win, but who probably never imagined the result would be someone as disgusting as Trump.

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Sounds like an excuse to get out of responsibility for despicable actions.

I'm not defending the actions, I'm saying that the provocation was there.

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Whether or not someone sees a wall going up on the border as racist depends on that person's perspective. The gentleman wearing the shirt may not think it is racist. The fact that someone else does...and thinks he's been provoked...and others agree...is the issue.

Anyone who wears clothing with a political message is at least being a little provocative. If it's a divisive message like that one, it's more provocative. If he's wearing it in a place where he knows there are going to be people who are sensitive about the issue, it's either deliberately looking for trouble or extreme ignorance.

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Some see burning the flag as a deplorable act. Some see it as treasonous. I'd be willing to bet these two assholes do not...they probably see it as the court has determined it-an act of free speech. They wouldn't care if, in doing so, they provoke someone. I wonder...would you see the violent response to flag burning as reasonable, given the provocation?

Yes, flag-burning is another one of those things that is intended to provoke people... but there's a difference between burning a flag at a protest over American imperialism and burning a flag at say, a military picnic on the 4th of July.

In either case, the person who is provoking the fight is not doing anything illegal, and the attacker is breaking the law... but just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical.

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First off, fuck your Snotzi strawman bull shit. Fuck your, as usual, racist strawman as well.

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There really hasn't been a serious effort to find illegals and deal with the employers.

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You're just echoing political excuses. Now I believe there will be a serious effort to stop the influx at the border *first*. It doesn't make sense to deal with those who are already here until you stop the flow. Conspiracy theories aside, these people, by and large will vote for Democrats. So fuck amnesty...........did I mention fuck your racist strawman bull shit? I'll take the discusting Trump as apposed to the even more discusting criminal though above the law Hillary. Trump won. Ya need me to send you a coloring book to go along with that hot chocolate? Bounty sums it up quite well on post #: 64 - 66 and 68. It's worth the read.

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So...just as the T-shirt wearer is not doing anything illegal.

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well, from my first- hand experience they have children here that we now have to pay for, they flood schools with non English speaking children, they use false documents to obtain jobs that an American citizen could use, they increase the need for services such as police, etc, they drive drunk on our roads, and stuff like that...

So they behave exactly like US citizens then, so what's the problem, I would think they would fit right in? And what's wrong with non-English speaking people, English is not the official language of the US (hint: There is no official language of the US). What's more, I would think that your much vaunted freedom of speech would include the choice of language in which to do that speechifying, wouldn't you?

What was i thinking? Of course ... the ability to communicate within a society isn't important at all.

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I'm not defending the actions, I'm saying that the provocation was there.

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Anyone who wears clothing with a political message is at least being a little provocative.

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If it's a divisive message like that one, it's more provocative.

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If he's wearing it in a place where he knows there are going to be people who are sensitive about the issue, it's either deliberately looking for trouble or extreme ignorance.

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Openly advertising your support of racist politics definitely means you support racist politics

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But neither is deliberately provoking people for fame or lulz or to prove a point you're not actually proving.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I'd be more interested to know why he's officially being bullied, rather than being a whiney little pussy whose mother was tardy in potty training him like the equally whiney libtardss, but apparently that point isn't up for discussion.