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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 11:54:48 AM   
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Why is the t shirt wearer being bullied but the hypothetical woman is just a whining bitch looking for trouble, if you want to discuss double standards?
Tell you what WM...You find one...just ONE...post where I've ever referred to a woman (including the one I've brought up as a hypothetical in this thread) as a whining butch looking for trouble. That's all I am asking for...one post. Or answer the questions I posed to heavy blinker...if you're now speaking for heavy blinker. Otherwise, your post is simply bullshit about a situation that wasn't brought up.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 11:57:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've asked three times in this thread why you people are starting threads bitching about Trumptooners being "bullied" by the evil libs, while insisting that any liberal in the same situation is asking for it.
Again: any reason for this false dichotomy besides partisan double standards?

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 11:58:18 AM   
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And why should they expect any reaction other than an adjoining glance or a disdainful look? Should the woman be subjected to verbal harassment any more...or less...than the T-shirt wearer? Physical touching or more? What is o.k. in both cases, in your opinion? And if the answers are different...why?


I don't control how people react and it isn't about what the person deserves. I didn't say they should expect a reaction because they DESERVE a reaction, they should expect a reaction because they are being provocative and when you are being provocative people will react because not everyone is an enlightened being with perfect self-control or decency in the face of provocation.

It seems like every single time I say this, someone will change the argument like you just did. You started off asking why they should expect an unspecified reaction, which I have already explained about 15 times, and then you start asking me what I think should happen to the woman like I think she deserves to have horrible, creepy things happen to her. I don't want to think about it and I don't have to because I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.

Okay fine, I think she deserves to have someone try something so she can reveal that she is a former women's MMA champion and the guy who tries it can get his ass kicked in front of all of his friends. I think the Trump supporter deserves to be confronted about his views with a delightful conversation about political differences that results in bridges being built and sore feelings being effectively erased. I think this because I live in super fun happy fantasy world where everyone gets what they deserve, wounds are always healed and evil is always punished.

But do I think that this is what usually happens? NO. And neither should the people who invite these kinds of things upon themselves. If people don't want or know how to handle confrontations, they shouldn't be provocative... or at least they could be smart about it.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 12:31:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 12:36:30 PM   
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OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?

It is legal to walk in public topless in Canada?!! Omg that's unbelievable.



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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 12:36:41 PM   
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I don't understand why there is any issue at all, don't understand why the thread was even brought up.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 1:43:41 PM   
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OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?

It is legal to walk in public topless in Canada?!! Omg that's unbelievable.




Actually no, I double checked and it seems I was sort of wrong. Apparently it is only legal in Ontario (where I live) and in BC. The laws in other provinces have not been challenged, though a precedent has been set (very important in a common law jurisdiction) should they be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_Canada

One interesting (and yet totally not unexpected) detail is that apparently men are more in favour of it than women are. Is anybody surprised?

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 1:50:05 PM   
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OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?

It is legal to walk in public topless in Canada?!! Omg that's unbelievable.




Actually no, I double checked and it seems I was sort of wrong. Apparently it is only legal in Ontario (where I live) and in BC. The laws in other provinces have not been challenged, though a precedent has been set (very important in a common law jurisdiction) should they be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_Canada

One interesting (and yet totally not unexpected) detail is that apparently men are more in favour of it than women are. Is anybody surprised?


I am surprised feminists don't push for that here.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 1:55:42 PM   
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OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?

It is legal to walk in public topless in Canada?!! Omg that's unbelievable.




Actually no, I double checked and it seems I was sort of wrong. Apparently it is only legal in Ontario (where I live) and in BC. The laws in other provinces have not been challenged, though a precedent has been set (very important in a common law jurisdiction) should they be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_Canada

One interesting (and yet totally not unexpected) detail is that apparently men are more in favour of it than women are. Is anybody surprised?


I am surprised feminists don't push for that here.


You would be surprised at how many places it is actually legal.
http://time.com/3834365/map-topless-laws/
http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 2:50:44 PM   
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I've asked three times in this thread why you people are starting threads bitching about Trumptooners being "bullied" by the evil libs, while insisting that any liberal in the same situation is asking for it.
Again: any reason for this false dichotomy besides partisan double standards?
Tell you what, WM. Though you can't seem to answer a question BUT can continue on with your claim that people who supported Trump are claiming "bullying" while insisting that a liberal in the same situation is asking for it. I don't recall reading any post...nor do I recall writing one myself...where someone from the right posted that.

So: instead of asking a question over and over and not getting an answer...because you're not citing a specific post where it was done nor are you giving an example from the broader world...why don't you do that and maybe you'll get an answer.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 4:43:24 PM   
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You would be surprised at how many places it is actually legal.
http://time.com/3834365/map-topless-laws/
http://gotopless.org/topless-laws


Not really. Why legislate against something that nobody wants to do anyway?

Strewth, can you imagine it ... a woman going topless, in Canada, at this time of the year? Even *I* would demand a substantial feel for that, and I don't have any tits.

ETA - I meant 'fee', not 'feel'. I think.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 4:54:33 PM   
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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:05:16 PM   
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a woman going topless, in Canada, at this time of the year

Well yeah, tits out season is pretty much the same as bikini season.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:06:34 PM   
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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:07:21 PM   
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There are standards.

Fuck that.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:08:23 PM   
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I see no reason to be unladylike on this thread, Lucy. There are standards.

Ha. I believe some people missed that memo.

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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:09:46 PM   
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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:14:13 PM   
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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:36:46 PM   
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OK, let's try a different tack. let's say I decide to go out topless (perfectly 100% legal here in Canada, though really fucking dumb at this time of year). Now I might well be doing it because it was just a really hot and muggy day, or I might well be doing it to make a political statement. Either way, this would definitely be considered as controversial and provocative by many people.

Now, would the fact that some people do find it controversial and provocative justify them harassing me? Should I "expect" that harassment? Should those who harass me be excused because I "should have known" some people would object? is it right for anybody to accuse me of being a slut or immoral just because I have sweaty tits?


Well, let's try yet another tack. Let's say you go out in public wearing a t-shirt with a controversial picture or slogan on the front, or you are a woman going out topless. In doing so you KNOW that there are some people that are adamantly for what you are doing or expressing, and you also know that there is approximately 75% of the people that are adamantly against what you are doing or expressing.

Maybe what you hope for is that some of the 25% that are in agreement with you will come up and give you a pat on the back. Do they have the right to come up to you and express their feelings? Yes. But if so, then why would the people opposed to what you are championing not have the same right to express their feelings on the subject?

As long as the meeting doesn't become physical, then both sides should be equally allowed to express how they feel about the subject. And if you want to avoid that kind of possible verbal confrontation, then it is up to you to not provoke it in the first place.


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RE: Leftists Bully Trump Supporter Over ‘Racist’ #B... - 12/8/2016 5:48:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well igor, it seems that you have misunderstood. See I said "harass", not "express their opinion". There is a difference.

You will avoid such misunderstanding in the future if you would just pay a little closer attention to what they are responding to.

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