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PeonForHer -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 11:45:26 AM)
I'm assuming that tamaka was being ironic .... Well, until she says otherwise. ;)

mnottertail -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 11:50:43 AM)
But a snicker, at the least.

WhoreMods -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 11:55:03 AM)
I saw no winky. (Unlike the choirboy in question...)

PeonForHer -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods They move the priest somewhere else and deny it ever happened. Not a helpful approach for the victims, imo. Yep, essentially: they'd find the Lord's Broom, grab hold of the corner of the Lord's Carpet, and sweep it all away for Him.

DaddySatyr -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:13:58 PM)
Certainly, there are similarities between female and male victims, but there are also some differences, which - I think - don't get properly addressed. Obviously, I can't speak from the female perspective, but one of the major differences would be the damage to sexual identity. Of course, age plays a factor, but younger male victims frequently get thrown into a tizzy about their masculinity. I think this is due to the (common factor) of a rape victim blaming themselves, to a degree. There's more than enough evidence that all victims tend to blame themselves (at least partially) for the behavior of their attacker. Since *most* (mark the word, please) perpetrators/predators are male, female victims don't tend to question their sexual identity. Sure, there's a number that admit to being "turned off to men" because of their experience, but when you couple a male attacker with a male victim and then, add in the victim's own self blame/doubt, it can be a dangerous "cocktail" for the victim's development of a "normal" sexual identity because the victims question their own base for that identity. Michael

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:15:57 PM)
quote: Is there a recognized medical opinion on whether or not males need a different approach than females? As far as I know there is not. To the best of my knowledge it has not really been studied, in part because it is not only quite rare in comparison, but is far, far, far more undereported, so it is much more difficult to study or reach a consensus on. Again, this is only according to my very limited knowledge on this aspect of the issue, but my understanding is that most of the "help" offered to male rape victims is done many years later during counselling/therapy for the problems that surface much later on, as a result of the man repressing/hiding what happened to him. And that is, by definition, more of "fix-the-fuck-up" than a "prevent-the-fuck-up" approach.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:20:20 PM)
What's more, there is an entire industry in place to help female rape victims, while there is none for male rape victims. In some such programs, men are specifically not welcome (in case they trigger or intimidate the women, I guess). They are specifically and deliberately excluded. We, as a society, need to stop telling men that they are somehow failures as men if this happens to them, or if they don't just shut up and deal with it "like a man". We need to let them know that it is not their fault, that it does not diminish them as men, and that it is perfectly OK for them to be devastated by a devastating event. Edit: And that is my considered opinion as an ardent feminist, based on my understanding of what feminism is.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:23:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Certainly, there are similarities between female and male victims, but there are also some differences, which - I think - don't get properly addressed. Obviously, I can't speak from the female perspective, but one of the major differences would be the damage to sexual identity. Of course, age plays a factor, but younger male victims frequently get thrown into a tizzy about their masculinity. I think this is due to the (common factor) of a rape victim blaming themselves, to a degree. There's more than enough evidence that all victims tend to blame themselves (at least partially) for the behavior of their attacker. Since *most* (mark the word, please) perpetrators/predators are male, female victims don't tend to question their sexual identity. Sure, there's a number that admit to be "turned off to men" because of their experience, but when you couple a male attacker with a male victim and then, add in the victim's own self blame/doubt, it can be a dangerous "cocktail" for the victim's development of a "normal" sexual identity because the victim's question their own base for that identity. Michael Excellent post Michael!

shiftyw -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 12:58:42 PM)
No one is fucking saying this shit doesn't happen to men. "Feminists don't want to acknowledge this!!" Open your eyes. Any feminist who is worth a damn knows men get fucking raped, and cares about it too. In my group therapy- I was the ONLY female. I'm pretty fucking sure damn near every time this has been brought up myself and other "feminazis" on this board have agreed all rape is an issue. What we want is for people not to elect rapists. I mean- if you care about it so much- why give female victims this much shit? All the time?

Aylee -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 1:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee there is seldom a call for males to get raped in prison as retribution for crimes. I would like males to be raped in prison for commiting rape or being pedophiles. The other day, I read a news about this asshole, raping his step daughter, vaginally penetrating her from 3 yrs old until she is 13, when she broke down to her counsellor that her step father been raping her for soooo many years, but she can't tell her mom as her mom loves the step dad so much and she didn't want to break the family. WTF! That guy deserves ass raped seriously! Eye for Eye. I believe in death penalty for murderers too, so why not rape for rapists? Just the thought that a full grown man would consider vaginally penetrating a 3 yr old girl, makes me wanna kill him! And infact he should be annally fisted, because that would be the equivalent of an adult cock going into a 3 yr old. ^Totally agree. In fact, it's not enough, considering the child looks to the parents (whether birth parent or step) as PROTECTORS, so not only is their body violated, but also their ability to EVER place their trust in someone. In prison there won't be the factor of BETRAYAL by a loved one that the child experienced. To both of you. I believe in the rule of law. I disagree with extra-judicial punishment. It is also unethical to take away a person's right to defend themselves and then not protect them. While some one is in prison/jail, no matter WHAT THE CHARGES, they are protected by the state. That protection includes protection from other prisoners. That does not even begin to discuss what it does to those becoming the form of punishment. It is distasteful and disgusting.

shiftyw -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 1:17:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. Patriarchal gender assumptions harming men. ^^ I'm with Dizzy on this all the way.

BamaD -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:23:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It has nothing to do with gender equality. Looking briefly at the article. It looks like they are talking about men on men rape. Men go through alot of shame being raped by another man. Also, men are just not wired to talk about their feelings. It's kinda weird because every woman wants a man to open up and talk about his feelings and be more nurturing towards him, but most men resist such things. They just don't want to talk about it and forget it. Probably because, unlike women, talking about it does not help them. The way we can help female victims by showering them with loads of TLC and smothering and sympathy, may not be the same solution to help a male victim. I think men and woman respond to rape differently. What needs to happen is more education on how to handle a male who has been through rape? I mean honestly speaking, my own brother has been raped before, held down and penetrated by a woman much larger and stronger than him who was suppose to be his clean masseuse. And I didn't even know what to say. And he definitely didn't want to report it at all. He was just saying he can't believe he got so unlucky. Like he was telling me about it, but at the same time, if it was a woman, I would know what to say, but because his male, I can't go like, "Poor you!" And smother him with lots of love and sympathy. He was acting so strong and brushing it aside. I was just more like, "Are you okay? If you need anything, just let me know, I am here." That's all I could say. I mean with a woman, you would just let her talk and let her cry, and let her talk and talk. With a guy, he ain't even gonna cry. And he is just trying to act strong, and like, not look weak. And does not want to talk over and over about it. It's like a whole different vibe. Wow. And here is the stigma of males reporting sexual violence against them. If it had been your sister you would have validated her. Since this was your brother, you kept silent. I am not negatively evaluating you, I am just noting that this is the exact problem that the article discusses. It is the same as the problem with the handling of domestic violence. As they told us in the Air Force. If a guy tries to report domestic violence they say what kind of wimp can't fight back when his wife attacks him. If he fights back, he is the one to go to jail.

respectmen -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:29:17 PM)
quote: Patriarchal gender assumptions harming men. Here we go again, blaming patriarchy. Today's multipurpose scapegoat. Anyone can just randomly blame it on anything without any thought. Does anyone ever have citations, actual evidence, for whatever patriarchy is blamed on, such as this case? Oh that's right, it's just an conspiracy theory, not fact. Just like all feminist thinking.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:33:40 PM)
quote: It is the same as the problem with the handling of domestic violence. As they told us in the Air Force. If a guy tries to report domestic violence they say what kind of wimp can't fight back when his wife attacks him. If he fights back, he is the one to go to jail. Yes, this, so much this. Like I said, patriarchal gender assumptions harming men.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:35:11 PM)
I see that you have no actual desire to find any sort of solution to the problems highlighted in this thread. And you wonder why you just get dismissed when you raise the issue but Aylee does not.

respectmen -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:42:19 PM)
So tell me, Dizzy, what is your solution to the problem? Does anyone on planet earth have a solution? If they did, wouldn't it be fixed by now in 2016? Tell me how blaming patriarchy is going to fix this problem, dizzy.

Wayward5oul -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen So tell me, Dizzy, what is your solution to the problem? Does anyone on planet earth have a solution? If they did, wouldn't it be fixed by now in 2016? Tell me how blaming patriarchy is going to fix this problem, dizzy. Tell me, rm, why is it that on a thread where one of your pet subjects is actually getting discussed, the only input that you are making is to diss other posters? You haven't made a single effort to actually engage any of the people that are discussing the specific problems. All you are doing is ridiculing others and shouting 'ooh feminism bad' like you always do. That's why no one takes you seriously.

respectmen -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:49:06 PM)
As much as the mens rights movement is as bad as the feminist movement, this is actually a very valid video. Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle Pieces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ncjGFIFPJI How many people in here know who Mary Koss is? She's a feminist of course. She pretty much doesn't define female on male as rape because it's not penetration.

Wayward5oul -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:51:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee there is seldom a call for males to get raped in prison as retribution for crimes. I would like males to be raped in prison for commiting rape or being pedophiles. The other day, I read a news about this asshole, raping his step daughter, vaginally penetrating her from 3 yrs old until she is 13, when she broke down to her counsellor that her step father been raping her for soooo many years, but she can't tell her mom as her mom loves the step dad so much and she didn't want to break the family. WTF! That guy deserves ass raped seriously! Eye for Eye. I believe in death penalty for murderers too, so why not rape for rapists? Just the thought that a full grown man would consider vaginally penetrating a 3 yr old girl, makes me wanna kill him! And infact he should be annally fisted, because that would be the equivalent of an adult cock going into a 3 yr old. ^Totally agree. In fact, it's not enough, considering the child looks to the parents (whether birth parent or step) as PROTECTORS, so not only is their body violated, but also their ability to EVER place their trust in someone. In prison there won't be the factor of BETRAYAL by a loved one that the child experienced. To both of you. I believe in the rule of law. I disagree with extra-judicial punishment. It is also unethical to take away a person's right to defend themselves and then not protect them. While some one is in prison/jail, no matter WHAT THE CHARGES, they are protected by the state. That protection includes protection from other prisoners. That does not even begin to discuss what it does to those becoming the form of punishment. It is distasteful and disgusting. While I agree with you on this one Aylee, I have to admit that there is a part deep inside of me that can't help but say 'hell yeah' to this attitude. I would hope that if I were ever faced with the situation that I had to decide one way or the other, I would chooser the higher ground, but I can't honestly say that I don't understand the point of view. Unfortunately, it is also the point of view that a lot of violent prisoners hold as well, supposedly. I haven't factchecked it for the stats, but the stereotype out there is that when those who offend against children, especially sexually offend against children, go to prison they are targeted by other prisoners.

Termyn8or -> RE: When no one calls it rape (12/8/2016 2:55:03 PM)
Someone might have forgotten about our allies in Afghanistan. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0 T^T

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