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BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 8:11:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Again you are working with facts filtered through 40 years of propaganda, Nixon was NOT involved with the breaking, he was forced from office (by Republicans no less) because of the cover up, a way of life for the Clinton's .


I wasn't being literal.

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Then you think Obama should have been impeached for telling the Russians, on video no less, to hold back, make the re-election easier (in 2012) and he would have more freedom to co-operate with them after the election.
This after you stated earlier that the only proof you have of Trumps collaboration is that you wouldn't put it past him.


I was speculating.

And I really don't think Obama was inviting the Russians to interfere with the 2012 election.

Yes he was, he was asking them to adjust their actions and demands for a few months so he could give them more of what they wanted after the elections. They conspired to help him get elected by acting like he was holding them in check till the election was over with the promise he could give them more later. Nothing gets results in an election more that the appearance of results.
Leaking some stuff that actually was said by Hillary's team pales in comparison. So speculate, by your standards Obama should clearly have been impeached for this.

BTW speculation is if, passing it off is since, which is what you used.




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 8:27:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Yes he was, he was asking them to adjust their actions and demands for a few months so he could give them more of what they wanted after the elections. They conspired to help him get elected by acting like he was holding them in check till the election was over with the promise he could give them more later. Nothing gets results in an election more that the appearance of results.
Leaking some stuff that actually was said by Hillary's team pales in comparison. So speculate, by your standards Obama should clearly have been impeached for this.

BTW speculation is if, passing it off is since, which is what you used.


WTF?

First of all, Romney HATED Russia so there was never any doubts about who would be willing to work with them and who wouldn't. Obama didn't NEED to ask for help... it just makes sense that he would be able to go through with stronger diplomacy after re-election, because second term presidents don't need to worry about re-election. It's a FACT... not some sort of shadowy conspiracy.

Second of all, you are seriously equating diplomacy with espionage??? Even if he was for some reason lying to the Russians even though it would become obvious that he was lying after the election, NOT DOING ANYTHING isn't even remotely the same thing as BREAKING INTO THE DNC DATABASE. It's like saying that not committing a crime is the same thing as robbing a bank!! If the Russians had attacked Romney or done something to bolster Obama, then okay, that's shady... but simply choosing not to do anything ISN'T A CRIME, even if they are doing so because of an empty promise (which wasn't even the case since the diplomacy effort began in Obama's first term and was set to continue before Putin fucked it up).

You are out of your feeble mind if you seriously think that 'by my standards' this means Obama should have been impeached. You are out of your mind even if you think that this should have lead to impeachment at all. You are out of your mind if you think that these two scenarios are in any way comparable.

Obama made all kinds of concessions to Russia after 2012 (eg: Iran) out of a genuine desire to build bridges, and Russia responded by slapping him in the face over Syria and Crimea... Trump is bending over and begging for Putin's cock-- what do you think the response will be? Putin is going to fuck him until America self-destructs, and Trump is so stupid and so ignorant about the world he's living in that he won't even know what's happening.

And speculation means ideas or guesses about something that is not known.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speculation

At the very least, you should assume that words tend to exist because they have coherent meanings, IE: NOT 'if, passing it off is since'.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 10:56:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Yes he was, he was asking them to adjust their actions and demands for a few months so he could give them more of what they wanted after the elections. They conspired to help him get elected by acting like he was holding them in check till the election was over with the promise he could give them more later. Nothing gets results in an election more that the appearance of results.
Leaking some stuff that actually was said by Hillary's team pales in comparison. So speculate, by your standards Obama should clearly have been impeached for this.

BTW speculation is if, passing it off is since, which is what you used.


WTF?

First of all, Romney HATED Russia so there was never any doubts about who would be willing to work with them and who wouldn't. Obama didn't NEED to ask for help... it just makes sense that he would be able to go through with stronger diplomacy after re-election, because second term presidents don't need to worry about re-election. It's a FACT... not some sort of shadowy conspiracy.

Second of all, you are seriously equating diplomacy with espionage??? Even if he was for some reason lying to the Russians even though it would become obvious that he was lying after the election, NOT DOING ANYTHING isn't even remotely the same thing as BREAKING INTO THE DNC DATABASE. It's like saying that not committing a crime is the same thing as robbing a bank!! If the Russians had attacked Romney or done something to bolster Obama, then okay, that's shady... but simply choosing not to do anything ISN'T A CRIME, even if they are doing so because of an empty promise (which wasn't even the case since the diplomacy effort began in Obama's first term and was set to continue before Putin fucked it up).

You are out of your feeble mind if you seriously think that 'by my standards' this means Obama should have been impeached. You are out of your mind even if you think that this should have lead to impeachment at all. You are out of your mind if you think that these two scenarios are in any way comparable.

Obama made all kinds of concessions to Russia after 2012 (eg: Iran) out of a genuine desire to build bridges, and Russia responded by slapping him in the face over Syria and Crimea... Trump is bending over and begging for Putin's cock-- what do you think the response will be? Putin is going to fuck him until America self-destructs, and Trump is so stupid and so ignorant about the world he's living in that he won't even know what's happening.

And speculation means ideas or guesses about something that is not known.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speculation

At the very least, you should assume that words tend to exist because they have coherent meanings, IE: NOT 'if, passing it off is since'.

That was not diplomacy it was making a deal that if the Russians laid low and helped him get elected he would make more concessions after the election that isn't collaborating to help him get elected.

That's right, by your logic having a R by your name is grounds for impeachment.

Having a D means you are a saint.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 11:20:19 AM)

Your knee-jerk reactive tendency has you arguing things that aren't being argued. No D sainthood claimed.

First, no one has said there's evidence Trump had any knowledge -- other than his suspicious running from any investigation -- simply that Russia worked to sway the election in his favor, and that Trump openly admires Putin and is picking a Russia-friendly administration.

So ... so far, while his administration picks are provocative, no one is at this point accusing him of wrong-doing.

Now, conflict of interest...that's another story.




mnottertail -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 11:35:50 AM)

Yet, we can say that Trump begged Russia to hack American systems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?_r=0




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 11:36:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

That was not diplomacy it was making a deal that if the Russians laid low and helped him get elected he would make more concessions after the election that isn't collaborating to help him get elected.

That's right, by your logic having a R by your name is grounds for impeachment.

Having a D means you are a saint.


It's in their DNA.




mnottertail -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 11:43:28 AM)

Oh, come now, we know the misshapen factless hysterical hypocritical pants shitting DNA of the nutsuckers.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 12:26:05 PM)

Watch Fox's Shepard Smith Debunk Trump's False Claims Scrubbing Russia Of Involvement In The US Election

Shep Smith called out Donald Trump's lies about Russian election interference on Fox News. "It was brought up before the election. Over and over and over again."

Smith: “The Stunning Conclusion From All 17 US National Intelligence Agencies … The Russian Government Did Intervene In The US Presidential Election”

Video: https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/12/12/watch-foxs-shepard-smith-debunk-trumps-false-claims-scrubbing-russia-involvement-us-election/214796




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 12:26:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
That was not diplomacy it was making a deal that if the Russians laid low and helped him get elected he would make more concessions after the election that isn't collaborating to help him get elected.

That's right, by your logic having a R by your name is grounds for impeachment.

Having a D means you are a saint.


So apparently Russian activity was a major issue among voters during the 2012 election, and a single promise made by Obama caused Russia to put every single planned government action on hold. Is this somehow illegal? Why is this sort of thing not considered diplomacy? You don't think that diplomacy involves reaching agreements? Also, do you know that hacking is illegal?

What crime did Obama commit, exactly?




WhoreMods -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 1:47:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
What crime did Obama commit, exactly?

[sm=LMAO.gif]
That'll get a few... esoteric... replies, I suspect.
Nothing relevant, or even inventive, but esoteric.
[sm=ubanana.gif]




bounty44 -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 2:05:33 PM)

something to add to the conversation:

"Top Democrat's emails hacked by Russia after aide made typo, investigation finds"

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Russian hackers were able to access thousands of emails from a top-ranking Democrat after an aide typed the word “legitimate” instead of “illegitimate” by mistake, an investigation by the New York Times has found.

The revelation gives further credence to the CIA’s finding last week that the Kremlin deliberately intervened in the US presidential election to help Donald Trump. The president-elect has angrily denied the CIA’s assessment, calling it “ridiculous”.

In the run-up to the election, the US Democratic National Committee (DNC) received numerous phishing emails, the paper reported on Tuesday. One of them was also sent to John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. An aide, Charles Delavan, spotted the message sent to Podesta’s private account. It asked Podesta to change his password.

CIA concludes Russia interfered to help Trump win election, say reports [would be great to actually see that in writing wouldn't it??]

Delavan realised the email was a phishing attack and forwarded it to a computer technician. However, he made a typo, writing: “This is a legitimate email.” He added: “John needs to change his password immediately.”

The blunder gave Kremlin hackers access to about 60,000 emails in Podesta’s private Gmail account. According to US intelligence officials, Moscow then gave the email cache to WikiLeaks. The website released them in October, and the email scandal dominated the news cycle and was exploited by Trump.

The FBI had known for some time that Russia was making a wide-ranging and systematic attempt to hack US political institutions including the White House and the State Department, the paper reported. In September 2015 the FBI discovered that a cyber-espionage team linked to the Russian government had penetrated the DNC.

But instead of sending a top-level delegation and raising the alarm, the FBI got a single special agent to make a phone call. The agent, Adrian Hawkins, rang the DNC and was put through to the IT helpdesk. He told the tech-support contractor on duty, Yared Tamene, that a group called “the Dukes” had hacked the DNC’s computer networks.

According to the paper, Tamene thought Hawkins’s message might have been a prank call. He googled “Dukes” but found nothing. He then failed to alert senior staff after his cursory search of the DNC’s computer system logs revealed no obvious sign of an intrusion.

Hawkins rang back repeatedly over the next few weeks. Tamene, however, did not respond. “I did not return his calls, as I had nothing to report,” he wrote in a memo seen by the New York Times.

The FBI’s laid-back approach meant that Russian hackers were able to roam inside the DNC’s computer systems for almost seven months, before Democratic officials finally realised the gravity of the attack and brought in external cybersecurity experts.

In March 2016 a second Russian hacking group targeted the DNC. It sent hundreds of phishing emails, which began: “Someone just used your password to try to sign into your Google account.” One of the scam’s victims was Billy Rinehart, a former DNC regional field director, who clicked on the “change password” message while half asleep.

According to the New York Times, the Obama administration was slow to respond to the hacking threat, underestimated its seriousness and fluffed several opportunities to stop it. The resulting email furor damaged Clinton’s election prospects and helped Trump to victory, as the Kremlin had almost certainly intended.

After the data breach the DNC hired CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity company. It quickly established the hack had originated in Russia and identified two groups, Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear. Cozy Bear, linked to Russia’s FSB spy agency, had begun its phishing operation in summer 2015, the paper reported.

Fancy Bear joined the attacks in March 2016. The hacking group is linked to the GRU, Russian military intelligence. It was Fancy Bear that hacked Podesta’s email account, the paper said. The two Kremlin hacking groups were seemingly unaware of each other, sometimes stockpiling the same stolen documents.

Dmitri Alperovitch, CrowdStrike’s co-founder and chief technology officer, told the paper there was no doubt Russia was responsible. “There’s no plausible actor that has an interest in all those victims other than Russia,” he said. Additionally, the hacking groups were active at times matching Moscow’s timezone, he added.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/14/dnc-hillary-clinton-emails-hacked-russia-aide-typo-investigation-finds




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 3:32:11 PM)

SO SCARY

OH I AM SO FRIGHTENED

Here’s What Could Happen If Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Accept The Election Results

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-accept-election-results_us_582094f8e4b0aac6248591c7

(The comments under the story are the best part)





bounty44 -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 3:52:00 PM)

on a related note, this appears at the end of the piece:

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Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.


the woman (the author) should be ashamed of herself.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 4:52:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

on a related note, this appears at the end of the piece:

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Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.


the woman (the author) should be ashamed of herself.

that editors note has been under almost every single trump article in the huffington post since maybe jan or february of this year, certainly since he won the nomination for runner from the RNC.

You have a problem with truth? oh silly me..of course you do.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:03:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

on a related note, this appears at the end of the piece:

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Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.


the woman (the author) should be ashamed of herself.

that editors note has been under almost every single trump article in the huffington post since maybe jan or february of this year, certainly since he won the nomination for runner from the RNC.

You have a problem with truth? oh silly me..of course you do.



Hillary's people have admitted on video that they sent paid thugs to Trump rallies to instigate that violence.

Pretty much SOP for alt left Alinsky trash.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies






Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:15:12 PM)

oh dear, you poor little thing....

that has nothing to do with what I posted
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conspiracy minded are you???
lets go with violence from the right and why your friend alex jones had to scrub his website over the pizzagate conspiracy.
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/13/alex-jones-scrubs-pizzagate-content-complaint-reveals-new-tie-connecting-shooter-jones/214809
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is scrubbing online content pushing the false and dangerous conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton’s campaign trafficked children through a D.C. pizzeria. A man who recently entered the pizzeria with a rifle and fired shots reportedly shared a piece of Jones’ content before the shooting; the video he shared is still on the website.

Jones is a radio host who has claimed that the government perpetrated the 9/11 attacks and the tragedies at Columbine, Oklahoma City, Sandy Hook, and the Boston Marathon. Jones has also repeatedly accused the Clintons of murder. He has been elevated from the fringes to the mainstream by President-elect Donald Trump, who appeared on his show and praised his “amazing” reputation. Trump adviser Roger Stone is also a regular Jones guest and contributor.

Jones and his Infowars website have promoted the false conspiracy theory dubbed "pizzagate," which alleges that top Clinton associates such as campaign manager John Podesta are trafficking children through the Comet Ping Pong restaurant.

The false claims took a dangerous turn when Edgar Maddison Welch fired an assault rifle inside the pizzeria because he was trying to “self-investigate” the conspiracy theory. FBI special agent Justin Holgate stated in a criminal complaint that Welch said he sent a video on the night of December 1 with the message “Watch PIZZAGATE: The Bigger Picture on YouTube” to a friend before the shooting:



“Pizzagate: The Bigger Picture” is the headline Infowars used for a December 1 article -- still online -- promoting a video from Infowars producer Jon Bowne that pushes the pizzagate conspiracy theory. Jones tweeted the headline on December 1. The headline was also used on YouTube by a non-Infowars accounts to promote the Infowars video.

Welch also told The New York Times that he listens to Jones, and he reportedly liked Infowars on Facebook.

Jones and Infowars appear to be scrubbing commentary about pizzagate. Jones’ YouTube channel posted a November 23 video headlined “Pizzagate Is Real: Something Is Going On, But What?” The video has since “been removed by the user,” though it’s not clear when.

The video has been re-uploaded or re-upped by other toxic conspiracy theorists (some of whom speculated about why Jones deleted it). During the video, Jon Bowne states that Clinton allies are “using a code to communicate child sex trafficking as casually as ordering a pizza.” The video then states that Comet Ping Pong “may be competing for the lucrative Washington, D.C., pedophile market right out in the open.”

Jones promoted the video on his Facebook account but has since deleted the post. Infowars also deleted a November 27 article by Bowne that promoted the video.

While Jones has removed content related to pizzagate, his website still contains false articles promoting the conspiracy theory. For instance, Kit Daniels posted a November 5 piece headlined “Law Enforcement Begs World: Read Hillary Emails To Find Child Rape Evidence; Hillary Linked To Child Sex Ring, Emails Suggest.” The article suggested that John Podesta was potentially involved in “child molestation” and “child pornography” because his hacked email account contained “strange” references to “pizza”:

Oh and there was plenty of violence from trump supporters too, from better sources than yours.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:46:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
That was not diplomacy it was making a deal that if the Russians laid low and helped him get elected he would make more concessions after the election that isn't collaborating to help him get elected.

That's right, by your logic having a R by your name is grounds for impeachment.

Having a D means you are a saint.


So apparently Russian activity was a major issue among voters during the 2012 election, and a single promise made by Obama caused Russia to put every single planned government action on hold. Is this somehow illegal? Why is this sort of thing not considered diplomacy? You don't think that diplomacy involves reaching agreements? Also, do you know that hacking is illegal?

What crime did Obama commit, exactly?

Yes, I know that hacking is illegal, but did you know that nobody has been stupid enough to say Trump did the hacking.

I never said he did. It was you who said that collaborating with another government for the express purpose of helping your chances in an election is grounds for impeachment. Obama didn't adopt policies the people would approve of, he promised the Russians he would give them more after the election if they would hold off till then an make it easier for him to win.

He did what you want to believe Trump did even though the report didn't say he did it and the rest of the intelligence community says they are wrong to the extent it claims.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:55:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

SO SCARY

OH I AM SO FRIGHTENED

Here’s What Could Happen If Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Accept The Election Results

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-accept-election-results_us_582094f8e4b0aac6248591c7

(The comments under the story are the best part)



So they were assuming that Trump and the Republicans would act like Hillary and the Democrats have.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:58:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

conspiracy minded are you???



As in, panicked alt left loons screaming "the rooskies are comin the rooskies are comin" [sm=runaway.gif]

No.

How is a prominent DNC official admitting to crimes on video supposed to be a conspiracy theory? Some idiot on here started a discussion moaning about how President Trump needs to respect the constitution, while Hillary's Democrats have been sending out paid agents to assault others for peacefully assembling at campaign rallies to hear Donald Trump exercise his free speech rights.





bounty44 -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/14/2016 5:59:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

on a related note, this appears at the end of the piece:

quote:

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.


the woman (the author) should be ashamed of herself.

that editors note has been under almost every single trump article in the huffington post since maybe jan or february of this year, certainly since he won the nomination for runner from the RNC.

You have a problem with truth? oh silly me..of course you do.



being that I don't read the huffington post comrade, I wouldn't know that. however, hearing it makes it even more egregious---its not just a lie, its a lie repeated over and over.

I have a problem with truth? again, you have no idea about me, but I suggest to you if you need to think in such ways in order to feel good about yourself, you might want to try something else.

and how incredibly, amazingly ironic you yak about truth given the blatant lie in the "editor's note." given that, I trust you don't have a shred of intellectual integrity.




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