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tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 2:01:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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And honestly, you're just making shit up.


No... you just have no sense of anything besides what you are told to think.

Try to have a grown-up conversation, please.


I am having a grown up conversation. I have given you a couple of links that show how Americans like Putin. Do you not think that that attitude has no bearing on Americans rather laid- back reaction to this whole thing?




mnottertail -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 2:05:45 PM)

I dont know about one of your links to americans and putin, and the one I did look at was a survey of 804 people, and they really didnt like him very much considering all in all done.





Real0ne -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 2:14:06 PM)


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How many of you were offended when Bin Lauden told people to vote for Kerry, or else?


By 'you', do you mean British people? I'm speaking very much as an outsider looking at the USA. We're kind of reeling over here about this Russian interference issue. The USA isn't reacting the way we've come to expect it might, in short.


From similar geographical distance I d say the USA is hardly taking any of the consequences of this event into serious account - other than more partisan quarrels among themselves which are about the rather irrelevant of these consequences.



especially considering that the nsa hacks the computers of us citizens using prism and carnovore etc. why should we give a fuck if crime incs unsecure server got hacked by russians?




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 3:23:22 PM)

You wouldn't have to look very far to find a whole lot of Americans are not at all happy.

His approval rating is only 41%

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/donald-trump-approval-ratings-pew-poll-transition/index.html




Wayward5oul -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 5:16:30 PM)


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How many of you were offended when Bin Lauden told people to vote for Kerry, or else?


By 'you', do you mean British people? I'm speaking very much as an outsider looking at the USA. We're kind of reeling over here about this Russian interference issue. The USA isn't reacting the way we've come to expect it might, in short.

That's because we are too busy arguing right vs. left. God forbid we actually have concern for the country. Politics trumps all, or didn't you get the memo?


Well the conservatives like Putin and the libs want to see the country destroyed so what else would one expect except overall ambivalece to the whole thing.



You are making shit up again.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/12/major-trump-backer-calls-trumps-response-to-alleged-russian-election-interference-almost-treasonous/

Major Trump backer calls Trump’s response to alleged Russian election interference ‘almost treasonous’

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/12/major-trump-backer-calls-trumps-response-to-alleged-russian-election-interference-almost-treasonous/

Conservative firebrand and former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) is not happy with President-elect Donald Trump and the way he has handled potential Russian interference in the presidential election — and he made that abundantly clear during a CNN interview Monday.

During the stunning discussion, Walsh, who has been a staunch advocate for the president-elect, attacked Trump for acting childish and even characterized his dismissal of the CIA’s assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. election as “almost treasonous.”

“I’m outraged at the lack of outrage, especially on my side, the Republican side,” Walsh told host Brooke Baldwin. “I get that the country is divided, but my god: A foreign government interfered with our election. That should piss everybody off.”

The former Tea Party politician, who now hosts his own radio program, called his fellow conservatives out for not taking the CIA’s assessment seriously.

“It’s like because our guy won, Trump won, we’re going to keep our mouths shut,” Walsh said. “I mean, that’s just so wrong.”

But then in a surprising twist, Walsh set his sights directly on Trump, calling the billionaire businessman a “third-grader” who should be “ashamed of himself.” Walsh went on to say he agrees with former CIA Director Michael Morell’s claim that Russian interference is “the political equivalent of 9/11.”

“I don’t think [Trump] fully gets it, Brooke,” Walsh continued. “I mean, we’re Americans! This is a foreign government that got involved in our election. I mean, I agree with Mike Morell, that’s like Russia attacked us.”

Walsh pointed to the Trump transition team’s statement, which attacked the CIA as “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” as an example of “almost treasonous” behavior.

“For Donald Trump to come out and attack our men and women in the CIA, that’s almost treasonous,” he told the CNN anchor. “Russia attacks us and Trump attacks the CIA. He ought to be the one calling for an investigation.”

The former congressman said Trump, who has blocked him on Twitter, needs to use the opportunity as president-elect — and, next month, as president — “to bring the country together and lead an investigation” into potential Russian hacks.

Trump, for his part, has called the CIA’s conclusion “ridiculous,” telling Fox News, “I don’t believe it. Every week it’s another excuse.”




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 5:28:48 PM)

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Well the conservatives like Putin and the libs want to see the country destroyed so what else would one expect except overall ambivalece to the whole thing.


So because some RWNJs like Putin that means it's okay for him to interfere in elections?

Nixon broke into DNC HQ and he was forced to resign... Trump collaborates with a foreign autocrat to and that's all fine and dandy and he RWNJs rush to his and Russia's defense.

I am seriously shocked at the lengths you people will go to in order to avoid acknowledging a problem.




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 5:49:43 PM)


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How many of you were offended when Bin Lauden told people to vote for Kerry, or else?


By 'you', do you mean British people? I'm speaking very much as an outsider looking at the USA. We're kind of reeling over here about this Russian interference issue. The USA isn't reacting the way we've come to expect it might, in short.

That's because we are too busy arguing right vs. left. God forbid we actually have concern for the country. Politics trumps all, or didn't you get the memo?


Well the conservatives like Putin and the libs want to see the country destroyed so what else would one expect except overall ambivalece to the whole thing.



You are making shit up again.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/12/major-trump-backer-calls-trumps-response-to-alleged-russian-election-interference-almost-treasonous/

Major Trump backer calls Trump’s response to alleged Russian election interference ‘almost treasonous’

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/12/major-trump-backer-calls-trumps-response-to-alleged-russian-election-interference-almost-treasonous/

Conservative firebrand and former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) is not happy with President-elect Donald Trump and the way he has handled potential Russian interference in the presidential election — and he made that abundantly clear during a CNN interview Monday.

During the stunning discussion, Walsh, who has been a staunch advocate for the president-elect, attacked Trump for acting childish and even characterized his dismissal of the CIA’s assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. election as “almost treasonous.”

“I’m outraged at the lack of outrage, especially on my side, the Republican side,” Walsh told host Brooke Baldwin. “I get that the country is divided, but my god: A foreign government interfered with our election. That should piss everybody off.”

The former Tea Party politician, who now hosts his own radio program, called his fellow conservatives out for not taking the CIA’s assessment seriously.

“It’s like because our guy won, Trump won, we’re going to keep our mouths shut,” Walsh said. “I mean, that’s just so wrong.”

But then in a surprising twist, Walsh set his sights directly on Trump, calling the billionaire businessman a “third-grader” who should be “ashamed of himself.” Walsh went on to say he agrees with former CIA Director Michael Morell’s claim that Russian interference is “the political equivalent of 9/11.”

“I don’t think [Trump] fully gets it, Brooke,” Walsh continued. “I mean, we’re Americans! This is a foreign government that got involved in our election. I mean, I agree with Mike Morell, that’s like Russia attacked us.”

Walsh pointed to the Trump transition team’s statement, which attacked the CIA as “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” as an example of “almost treasonous” behavior.

“For Donald Trump to come out and attack our men and women in the CIA, that’s almost treasonous,” he told the CNN anchor. “Russia attacks us and Trump attacks the CIA. He ought to be the one calling for an investigation.”

The former congressman said Trump, who has blocked him on Twitter, needs to use the opportunity as president-elect — and, next month, as president — “to bring the country together and lead an investigation” into potential Russian hacks.

Trump, for his part, has called the CIA’s conclusion “ridiculous,” telling Fox News, “I don’t believe it. Every week it’s another excuse.”


If I was wrong, Walsh wouldn't be complaining about exactly what i said.




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 5:53:59 PM)


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Well the conservatives like Putin and the libs want to see the country destroyed so what else would one expect except overall ambivalece to the whole thing.


So because some RWNJs like Putin that means it's okay for him to interfere in elections?

Nixon broke into DNC HQ and he was forced to resign... Trump collaborates with a foreign autocrat to and that's all fine and dandy and he RWNJs rush to his and Russia's defense.

I am seriously shocked at the lengths you people will go to in order to avoid acknowledging a problem.


Maybe we don't consider finding out what is going on as a problem.




Kirata -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 6:30:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So because some RWNJs like Putin that means it's okay for him to interfere in elections?

The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, whose evidentiary standards require it to make cases that can stand up in court, declined to accept the CIA's analysis - a deductive assessment of the available intelligence - for the same reason, the three officials said...

Republican Senator John McCain said on Monday there was "no information" that Russian hacking of American political organizations was aimed at swaying the outcome of the election...

Noting that Clapper in November testified that intelligence agencies lacked strong evidence linking Russian cyber attacks to the WikiLeaks disclosures, Nunes [House Intelligence Committee Chairman] asked that Clapper, together with CIA and FBI counterparts, brief the panel by Friday on the latest intelligence assessment of Russian hacking during the election campaign.


Source: Reuters

K.




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 6:41:49 PM)


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The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, whose evidentiary standards require it to make cases that can stand up in court, declined to accept the CIA's analysis - a deductive assessment of the available intelligence - for the same reason, the three officials said...


Nice job chopping off this part:

"ODNI is not arguing that the agency (CIA) is wrong, only that they can't prove intent," said one of the three U.S. officials. "Of course they can't, absent agents in on the decision-making in Moscow."




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 6:45:36 PM)

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Maybe we don't consider finding out what is going on as a problem.


Unless it involves finding out about the person you support.




Kirata -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:32:12 PM)


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The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, whose evidentiary standards require it to make cases that can stand up in court, declined to accept the CIA's analysis - a deductive assessment of the available intelligence - for the same reason, the three officials said...


Nice job chopping off this part:

"ODNI is not arguing that the agency (CIA) is wrong, only that they can't prove intent," said one of the three U.S. officials. "Of course they can't, absent agents in on the decision-making in Moscow."

Nice job chopping off this part:

Republican Senator John McCain said on Monday there was "no information" that Russian hacking of American political organizations was aimed at swaying the outcome of the election...

Noting that Clapper in November testified that intelligence agencies lacked strong evidence linking Russian cyber attacks to the WikiLeaks disclosures, Nunes [House Intelligence Committee Chairman] asked that Clapper, together with CIA and FBI counterparts, brief the panel by Friday on the latest intelligence assessment of Russian hacking during the election campaign.


And nice job, too, ignoring the fact that intent is precisely the totally unproven claim.

Carry on blinking.

K.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:46:01 PM)

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security
Release Date: October 7, 2016
DHS and ODNI Seals

For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.

Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS. A number of states have already done so. DHS is providing several services to state and local election officials to assist in their cybersecurity. These services include cyber “hygiene” scans of Internet-facing systems, risk and vulnerability assessments, information sharing about cyber incidents, and best practices for securing voter registration databases and addressing potential cyber threats. DHS has convened an Election Infrastructure Cybersecurity Working Group with experts across all levels of government to raise awareness of cybersecurity risks potentially affecting election infrastructure and the elections process. Secretary Johnson and DHS officials are working directly with the National Association of Secretaries of State to offer assistance, share information, and provide additional resources to state and local officials.

October 7th 2016........

Re Mc Cain....

■ Senator John McCain says there is no doubt about Russian hacking, which he called “warfare.”
Mr. McCain said on Monday that there was “no doubt about the hacking” by Russian intelligence services into Democratic campaign accounts, which he called “another form of warfare.”

Appearing on “CBS This Morning” with Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the next minority leader, Mr. McCain said the wide-ranging investigation of Russian meddling in the election would include his committee as well as the Foreign Relations and Intelligence committees.

He said a Senate investigation would be necessary despite President Obama having already ordered up an inquiry, as that one would not be completed before the end of the Obama administration. The implication was that the new Trump administration would not follow through.

“We don’t want to point a finger, and I don’t want this to turn into the Benghazi investigation,” Mr. Schumer added, referring to the House investigation into the attacks on an American compound in Libya, which he said had been partisan. “This is serious stuff.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html


Responding to intelligence officials’ report that Russia tried to influence the U.S. presidential election in favor of President-elect Donald Trump, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Arizona) on Sunday said he doesn’t know what to make of Mr. Trump’s dismissal of the issue.

“I don’t know what to make of it because it’s clear the Russians interfered,” he told CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “Whether they intended to interfere to the degree that they were trying to elect a certain candidate, I think that’s a subject of investigation. But facts are stubborn things. They did hack into this campaign.”

In an interview with “Fox News Sunday,” Mr. Trump said Sunday that new revelations about Russia’s influence on his behalf are “ridiculous.”

“It’s just another excuse. I don’t believe it,” Trump said. “… Every week it’s another excuse. We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.”

McCain called for a select committee to further investigate the extent of Russia’s influence and intentions.

“I would like in an ideal world to have a select committee,” he said, adding that he would hope such a committee would be made up of leaders on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Foreign Relations Committee and Armed Services Committee.

In the meantime, McCain said, senators are putting together a plan to investigate the issue through a subcommittee on the Senate Armed Services Committee -- and that he’s “confident” it will be handled on a bipartisan basis.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-donald-trump-russia-hacking-response/


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/12/russian-hacks-could-be-an-act-of-war-says-john-mccain/
Russian hacks could be an ‘act of war,’ says John McCain




HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 11:08:37 PM)

"Secret CIA Assessment"...

Then why do we know all about it?
Maybe the Russians hacked the CIA.
AGAIN!




Kirata -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 11:35:05 PM)


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The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.

"Consistent with" proves nothing, and "intended" is mind-reading. Where's the evidence?

K.





heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/13/2016 2:28:56 AM)

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And nice job, too, ignoring the fact that intent is precisely the totally unproven claim.


Just because it wouldn't hold up in court doesn't mean that everything about it doesn't reek of Putin.
After so much practice, it's safe to assume that he knows how to get away with it.




KenDckey -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/13/2016 3:07:24 AM)

We all know that CIA isn't always right. Unfortunately. ODNI, FBI, DHS cannot concur with the CIA Analysis for whatever reason, then it leave the analysis dubius. I look at the Clinton investigation into her e-mails. My personal belief and what the FBI conflict. Don't have first hand information needed to proceed to prosecution. Therefore, regardless of my personal belief it didn't really happen. WMD's, another one. CIA is a cross spectrum speculator. Did the Russians hack. Probably. Why? Probably intelligence gathering. Would we do the same thing. Probably. Would we release our findings? Probably not, unless we saw some advantage. I really can't think of any intelligence service worth it's salt that wouldn't.




Termyn8or -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/13/2016 3:21:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, whose evidentiary standards require it to make cases that can stand up in court, declined to accept the CIA's analysis - a deductive assessment of the available intelligence - for the same reason, the three officials said...


Nice job chopping off this part:

"ODNI is not arguing that the agency (CIA) is wrong, only that they can't prove intent," said one of the three U.S. officials. "Of course they can't, absent agents in on the decision-making in Moscow."


Yeah, not that global warming is wrong, it just does not prove intent of the rich to kill off 80 % of the human race.

Call me when you got something real.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/13/2016 3:24:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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And nice job, too, ignoring the fact that intent is precisely the totally unproven claim.


Just because it wouldn't hold up in court doesn't mean that everything about it doesn't reek of Putin.
After so much practice, it's safe to assume that he knows how to get away with it.


Yeah, and why the fuck didn't Hillary Clinton use a normal government computer for her emails ?

Sure, shit was not proven. Apply the same standards.

T^T




WhoreMods -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/13/2016 5:42:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

"Secret CIA Assessment"...

Then why do we know all about it?
Maybe the Russians hacked the CIA.
AGAIN!

For an intelligence agency, the CIA aren't what you'd call brilliant at keeping secrets, are they? If they were competent at that, the terms "banana republic" or "watergate" would never have entered the language.




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