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blnymph -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 3:38:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka ... America's natural allies don't do s*it for us but suck us for everything they can get. We need relationships with powerful countries that can mutually benefit each other and respect each other if for no other reason than military might. Just because goldilocks tells you so it does not mean it is true. Germany for example pays most of the costs of US bases in Germany, some of which are vital for US military activities outside your hemisphere, like Ramstein and Frankfurt airbases and Landstuhl hospital. Within the last months it appears as if the US plans to abandon the allies it has for Putin's ambitions.

mnottertail -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 4:10:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Allow? So who do you think allowed it? Perhaps transparency must be part of the new world we live in. Technology might force it upon us. Maybe in the long run it will be a good thing for everyone... but right now we experience the growing pains. Who knows? If a positive relationship between Russia and the USA helps stabilize the world, maybe the ends will justify the means. Right now everything is speculation anyways. It's not really transparency if only one side is transparent. Russia wasn't trying to give people an honest portrait of their candidates-- otherwise Trump and the RNC would have also been exposed. It's not really speculation-- the sophistication of the attack points to a foreign government and Russia has a history of hacking elections. The only real question here is how much involvement the Trump campaign had, and judging by Trump's behavior regarding Russia throughout his campaign, I'd be willing to bet it's a lot. Have you considered that the Reps had better security on their computers. Ridiculous. Better than the FBI, better than the NSA, better than the CIA? No.

BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 6:04:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Just because goldilocks tells you so it does not mean it is true. Germany for example pays most of the costs of US bases in Germany, some of which are vital for US military activities outside your hemisphere, like Ramstein and Frankfurt airbases and Landstuhl hospital. Within the last months it appears as if the US plans to abandon the allies it has for Putin's ambitions. If everything else were the same, WHY NOT partner with nation fiercely resisting Mohammad's' jihad, rather than those actively embracing it. It's certainly worthy of consideration. Do sluts really require burkas, and a raping or severe bloody whippings for showing an ankle? I think not.

WhoreMods -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 6:38:21 AM)
Do you have any idea what percentage of the population of Russia (never mind the rest of the Russian Federation) is moslem? There's a much bigger chunk of that who are potential jihadists than there are in Germany, both in terms of numbers (about nine and a half million) and as a chunk of the population (seven percent, rather than a bit less than two percent, as they are in Germany). Putin is not "fiercely resisting Mohammed's jihad" in Syria: he's defending a country's leader who's the son of a former Soviet stooge in the hope of having Assad installed as a suitably grateful bitch if the country still exists when the shitstorm there finally dies down. If jihadists bothered him, he'd be supporting the non-daesh rebels, rather than Assad, who spent his career in power carrying on his father's role of supporting and funding every jihadist in the middle east who might cause trouble for Israel.

BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:15:00 AM)
Perhaps 5% of Russians are Muslim, after the communist purges. The larger point is that Putin kills terrorists. Doesn't blame every Muslim atrocity on white males, doesn't apologize for killing them. he takes care of business before breakfast.

BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:35:38 AM)
Our current "allies" on the other hand... quote: German Muslim Politician Supports Introduction of Sharia Law in Europe https://www.google.com/search?q=German+Muslim+Politician+Supports+Introduction+of+Sharia+Law+in+Europe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:49:46 AM)
Of course, Russia also has close ties to Syria and Iran. But that doesn't matter, anymore than interfering in our elections matters. America has become the dumbest country on the planet.

DaddySatyr -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:52:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Our current "allies" on the other hand... quote: German Muslim Politician Supports Introduction of Sharia Law in Europe https://www.google.com/search?q=German+Muslim+Politician+Supports+Introduction+of+Sharia+Law+in+Europe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 I saw this and I am not "chastising", but I honestly think this deserves a thread of its very own. Start it. I'll be there. Michael

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:03:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Perhaps 5% of Russians are Muslim, after the communist purges. The larger point is that Putin kills terrorists. Doesn't blame every Muslim atrocity on white males, doesn't apologize for killing them. he takes care of business before breakfast. The number of Russian Muslims is usually calculated by adding members of all ethnic groups in the country, which are traditionally Muslim, like Tatars, Bashkirs and Chechens. Thus, according to the latest data, there are about 16 to 20 million “ethnic Muslims,” that is 12-15 percent of Russia's population. Jan 26, 2016 rbth.com/politics

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:16:24 AM)
By the way, Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, speaking in an interview to mark the 25 years since the end of the Soviet Union, claims, "The union with the same borders as the USSR could be restored." ~ Ivan Sekretarev / AP https://themoscowtimes.com/news/gorbachev-criticizes-yeltsin-reflects-on-restoring-ussr-in-interview-56511

BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:16:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Of course, Russia also has close ties to Syria and Iran. But that doesn't matter, anymore than interfering in our elections matters. America has become the dumbest country on the planet. Were you also a SJW against Obama interfering with elections in other nations, or (like him) are you only against it when others are rumored to have tried it here. And, are you now on record favoring common sense voter ID laws to help safeguard our election process? Or like most liberals, do you still claim that blacks are too stupid to obtain IDs.

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:18:41 AM)
Guess what? I'm not a UN inspector. I'm an American citizen. And I'm concerned with our national interests. When did you become a citizen of the world, uninterested in national matters?

tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:23:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka ... America's natural allies don't do s*it for us but suck us for everything they can get. We need relationships with powerful countries that can mutually benefit each other and respect each other if for no other reason than military might. Just because goldilocks tells you so it does not mean it is true. Germany for example pays most of the costs of US bases in Germany, some of which are vital for US military activities outside your hemisphere, like Ramstein and Frankfurt airbases and Landstuhl hospital. Within the last months it appears as if the US plans to abandon the allies it has for Putin's ambitions. Every country should be paying for the cost of US bases in their country. And it looks like we're actually indirectly self- funding, as usual. https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4280.html

WickedsDesire -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:25:12 AM)
Musicmystrey is correct 10%-15%ish The UK is 5%. Scotland I am certain is a lot lower 1% US fuked if I know 1% apparently WM are you saying Putin is out of control in Syria? I am inclined to agree.....although that land...all those lands alleged cradles of this current version of civilisation is rubble and I blame Islam myself. I hate all religion to be fair. Muslims dunno 1-10% are probably responsible I am not a super computer and getting abit more senile as I grow older. All that aside Yes they need to check the efficacy of all election results no matter the country. be it oh the Scottish indy one to the American latest un. So lets say Russia were found guilty (they are, this is not NK or China) what are you American bitches going to do about it? They are already guilty of affecting the outcome with Bitch Witch Bintons harmless/typical politicians emails

BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:38:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Guess what? I'm not a UN inspector. I'm an American citizen. And I'm concerned with our national interests. When did you become a citizen of the world, uninterested in national matters? I just wanted you to make it plain to everyone how your constant whining about Russia has nothing to do with basic fundamental liberal principles. We are supposed to believe that you are a proud white nationalist concerned only with America, first and foremost. Good job.

tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:43:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Musicmystrey is correct 10%-15%ish The UK is 5%. Scotland I am certain is a lot lower 1% US fuked if I know 1% apparently WM are you saying Putin is out of control in Syria? I am inclined to agree.....although that land...all those lands alleged cradles of this current version of civilisation is rubble and I blame Islam myself. I hate all religion to be fair. Muslims dunno 1-10% are probably responsible I am not a super computer and getting abit more senile as I grow older. All that aside Yes they need to check the efficacy of all election results no matter the country. be it oh the Scottish indy one to the American latest un. So lets say Russia were found guilty (they are, this is not NK or China) what are you American bitches going to do about it? They are already guilty of affecting the outcome with Bitch Witch Bintons harmless/typical politicians emails Send them a 'Thank you for the information so we could make an informed decision' note.

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:44:15 AM)
Talking with you is pointless because you're playing a child's endless "nuh-uh" game instead of any interest in real discussion. First, I've never been a card-carrying liberal: I'm largely moderate. Second, that doesn't by any bizarre stretch of logic = "proud white nationalist." We're a nation of many religions and races and cultures. And third, it's a silly argument -- we also have intervened to ensure fair and democratic elections; don't we deserve the same treatment? Being willfully stupid doesn't make you insightful. Just willfully stupid.

tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:44:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Guess what? I'm not a UN inspector. I'm an American citizen. And I'm concerned with our national interests. When did you become a citizen of the world, uninterested in national matters? I just wanted you to make it plain to everyone how your constant whining about Russia has nothing to do with basic fundamental liberal principles. We are supposed to believe that you are a proud white nationalist concerned only with America, first and foremost. Good job. It is pretty ironic that the republicans want a more open world and the liberals don't seem to anymore.

tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:46:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Talking with you is pointless because you're playing a child's endless "nuh-uh" game instead of any interest in real discussion. First, I've never been a card-carrying liberal: I'm largely moderate. Second, that doesn't by any bizarre stretch of logic = "proud white nationalist." We're a nation of many religions and races and cultures. And third, it's a silly argument -- we also have intervened to ensure fair and democratic elections; don't we deserve the same treatment? Being willfully stupid doesn't make you insightful. Just willfully stupid. So you enjoy making uninformed decisions i take it.

Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 8:49:35 AM)
Don't be a cunt. If you want to have a discussion, discuss. If you want to be a child, play with someone else.

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