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tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 12:52:31 PM)


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That would lead us to believe that we have poisoned information. I do not follow that makes our government wanting to be more ignorant, unless you are saying Trumps incoming administration, and those who are not supporting the investigation.


She seems to be arguing that partisan hacks are important because they let everyone know how bad Putin's least favorite candidate is.


Yes... it gives us information that we didn't have.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 12:56:45 PM)

What you need to know about Russia’s election hack and why US senators say it “should alarm every American”

With anti-establishment politics shaking governments across the west, US and European intelligence chiefs are newly raising the alarm about Russian cyber attacks and information warfare, saying they pose a threat to their democracies.

In the US, the warnings have been met with a mix of outrage and outright dubiousness. While a bipartisan group of senators are calling for an investigation into how Russia might have influenced the US presidential election—saying the reports of interference “should alarm every American”—US president-elect Donald Trump is alleging that Democrats and other opponents are fabricating a story of Russian mischief because they still cannot accept his victory a month ago.

What is the CIA alleging about Russia and the US election? What is Russia’s motive? And if the CIA is right, what happens now?

http://qz.com/860706/russian-hacking-and-the-us-election-why-it-matters-what-it-means-and-whats-next/




blnymph -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 1:04:23 PM)


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Our current "allies" on the other hand...

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German Muslim Politician Supports Introduction of Sharia Law in Europe

https://www.google.com/search?q=German+Muslim+Politician+Supports+Introduction+of+Sharia+Law+in+Europe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8




I saw this and I am not "chastising", but I honestly think this deserves a thread of its very own.

Start it. I'll be there.





Michael



Has been already. Endless repetition does not make it true.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 2:11:05 PM)

Why would Russia do this?

For starters, since the mid-2000s, Russian president Vladimir Putin has been convinced that the US has an objective to overthrow him. But even short of that, Putin thinks that the US is responsible for political turbulence in his region, namely the fall of pro-Russian governments in Ukraine, and revolutions in Georgia and Kyrgyzstan.

While Russia has had its setbacks, Putin still regards his country as a rightful geopolitical power, and is resentful that the US has carried out an aggressive foreign policy over the last decade and a half—including the invasion of Iraq and the support of rebels in Syria—without consulting him. He thinks that the West is ultimately hypocritical, and presumes that other countries are guilty of the same corruption, vote-rigging, and official lying as riddles Russian officialdom. Hence, Putin is out for revenge. He wants to shake the political systems across the West, and of NATO.

http://qz.com/860706/russian-hacking-and-the-us-election-why-it-matters-what-it-means-and-whats-next/

Now, why Vladimir Trump wouldn't simply denounce it and support an investigation is another interesting question.

How big a threat is Russia, really?

It’s a serious threat. Putin seeks to weaken the US, the EU, and NATO to the degree that they can no longer presume to call the shots without his agreement in international affairs. Since western governments are not ordinarily prepared for such stout challenges to their democracies, they are vulnerable to the weapons of doubt he is employing, mainly creating the impression that there are no indisputable facts, that anything could be true, and that everything is either already compromised, or could be. Since trust is the bedrock of democracy, this threatens social stability across the West.





Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 2:20:06 PM)

How should the US respond?

While its defenses are obviously not so great (or at least they weren’t at the time of the hacking), the US has the most advanced offensive cyber capability on the planet. It has been reluctant to retaliate out of fear of triggering a dangerous, all-out global cyber conflict. But it’s clear that the US will have to do something to show Putin that two can play this game.

Among the options is to out him on his presumed personal wealth, with details of all his homes, property, and hard cash. Or the Internet can be shut off to important government or personal facilities or homes. What the US likely won’t do is to launch a debilitating attack, such as temporarily taking out the Moscow electric grid. That would go beyond the realm of mere mischief and into the risk of tit-for-tat warfare.

Or...Vladimir Trump could just shrug and give Putin whatever he wants. Why would he do that? Will be interesting to find out.

And the GOP will, bizarrely, find itself the party weak on defense and foreign affairs.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:35:53 PM)

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Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:37:47 PM)

"If the guy who thinks climate change is a hoax and Barack Obama was born in Kenya doesn't believe Russia hacked the election, they almost certainly did."

~ John Hartzell




tamaka -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 7:54:54 PM)

How much money did Hillary receive from foreign countries?




heavyblinker -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/13/2016 9:42:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
She seems to be arguing that partisan hacks are important because they let everyone know how bad Putin's least favorite candidate is.


Yes... it gives us information that we didn't have.



But not enough to make an informed decision.
That would require that the same degree of transparency be applied to Trump.




WhoreMods -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 4:41:25 AM)

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How much money did Hillary receive from foreign countries?

Less than the orange cuntbubble receives from his business holdings in Russia, Dubai and Qatar.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 5:21:06 AM)

I don't know if the Trumptooners have noticed, but Hilary Clinton is not the president-elect, and isn't on tap to be in the new cabinet, or in any other position of power. It's irrelevant. And btw, she doesn't have a lot of supporters in this forum anyway--I certainly didn't vote for her; she'd have been a disaster, more concerned with personal power than the common good.

The issue here is Trump, who cares not about the Constitution, not about all Americans, not about doing what he said, cares not about obvious and multiple serious conflicts of interest, both himself and his appointees, and is setting up an obvious kleptocracy.

Add to that his financial ties to Russia, those of his appointees, and Russian interference in the election. That's the concern.

And no amount of "But look over there!" is going to change that basic problem. We are a sovereign nation--or would like to pretend we are.





BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 5:42:05 AM)


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How much money did Hillary receive from foreign countries?


You don't really expect the blind partisan Hillary bitches here to give you a straight answer about a question like that, do you?

Their "precious precious" could NEVER do anything wrong!




mnottertail -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 5:56:21 AM)

Well, its not so much that nobody will answer the retarded blind partisan bitches like you nutsuckers, as it is public information.

It is public information retard, this is something nutsuckers are unaware of, facts and reality. I've said it twice now, hopefully you will catch on fuckwhistle.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors

If you are going to felch, you will have to look up your own shit, dumbass. You have no fact, and no point as is the wont of you nutsuckers.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 6:58:00 AM)


How Moscow Aimed a Perfect Weapon at the U.S. Election


By ERIC LIPTON, DAVID E. SANGER and SCOTT SHANE

* A Times investigation reveals missed signals, slow responses and a continuing underestimation of the seriousness of a campaign of cyberespionage to disrupt the presidential race.
* A low-cost, high-impact weapon that Russia had test-fired in elections elsewhere was trained on the U.S., with devastating effectiveness.

Related coverage

- Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C. (July 26, 2016)
- The Interpreter: What We Know About Russia’s Role
- Following the Links From Russian Hackers to the U.S.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=7B9EBEF4CD130B332D2FFD02C6C8B7D6&gwt=pay




BoscoX -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 7:10:33 AM)

The New York Times - a Hillary bitch's newspaper of record!

After blatantly campaigning non-stop against Donald Trump, promised to rededicate itself to "honest reporting" after the election. Said they would stop being the kind of partisan hack that their readers generally are.

https://www.google.com/search?q=NYT+Promises+To+%22Rededicate%22+Itself+To+%22Honest%22+Reporting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8




cloudboy -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 8:36:00 AM)


I was once in a Russian Language class with Scott Shane. He used to be with the Baltimore SUN before escaping to the NYT. (The SUN went downhill and over a cliff since being acquired by the Tribune Co (TRONC now))




DaddySatyr -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 9:07:22 AM)


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How much money did Hillary receive from foreign countries?



I'm old enough to remember Slick Willy taking $500,000,000.00 from the Chinese GOVERNMENT for his re-election campaign in '96 and not one PPL thinking it was significant.



Michael




WhoreMods -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 9:18:41 AM)

Maybe more attention might have been payed to it if the GOP hadn't been obsessed with the fact that Clinton had got a blowjob from somebody other than his wife.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 9:22:15 AM)

Kinda makes you wonder why anyone would support Citizens United and make it easier.




kdsub -> RE: GOP leaders defy Trump, concerned over Russian election influence (12/14/2016 9:55:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

How much money did Hillary receive from foreign countries?



I'm old enough to remember Slick Willy taking $500,000,000.00 from the Chinese GOVERNMENT for his re-election campaign in '96 and not one PPL thinking it was significant.



Michael



Did you think it was significant ?




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