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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I stated from the beginning that saying that a submissive is a follower implies a general personality trait

Yes, just as saying they are submissive implies a general personality trait.

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What you added above are basically the caveats I was referring to.

What I added above are the caveats you applied to their submission.

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A person who is submissive may only be submissive within an intimate relationship with a dominant, and she will follow his lead within that relationship, yet in other areas of her life she may have a role as a leader.

Correct, and in those other areas of her life she is not being submissive, and thus her being a leader is irrelevant.

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Now, just saying that a submissive is a follower completely ignores all these variations and the many others that could be added with a little more time.

And saying they are submissive also completely ignores all these variations and the many others that could be added with little more time.

Every argument you have against using the word follower is equally applicable to the word submissive.


Gee, it's looking an awful lot like the two terms are more or less interchangeable isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

I have to agree with Wayward5oul on this point. There are many submissives who are dominant in life and only choose to submit to 1 special person.

I'm afraid that has no relevance as they are not being submissive in those dealings, only in the one relationship in which they chose to submit, and in that relationship, they can indeed be said to follow the lead of the dominant.

Submitting to someone is not always the same as following the Dominant. While I may choose to submit to being bound, it is up to the Dominant to gain control of my mind and body. There are times I willingly let go. There are other times when I do not willingly let go. At this point I am not following the lead of the Dominant at all. But more of a contest of can I maintain control? Or can my Domme take control of me? This is one of my favorite forms of play, and my Domme's.

If you're not letting go and/or you are not following then you're not being a sub. But as long as the both of you are enjoying playing games... have at it.

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You know, wording it this way, It actually makes the word follow even less correct to me.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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You know, wording it this way, It actually makes the word follow even less correct to me.

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Yeah, whatever dear. You do you.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

I have to agree with Wayward5oul on this point. There are many submissives who are dominant in life and only choose to submit to 1 special person.

I'm afraid that has no relevance as they are not being submissive in those dealings, only in the one relationship in which they chose to submit, and in that relationship, they can indeed be said to follow the lead of the dominant.

Submitting to someone is not always the same as following the Dominant. While I may choose to submit to being bound, it is up to the Dominant to gain control of my mind and body. There are times I willingly let go. There are other times when I do not willingly let go. At this point I am not following the lead of the Dominant at all. But more of a contest of can I maintain control? Or can my Domme take control of me? This is one of my favorite forms of play, and my Domme's.

If you're not letting go and/or you are not following then you're not being a sub. But as long as the both of you are enjoying playing games... have at it.

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The sub cannot follow as the path forward is not known by the sub.