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FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House - 12/16/2016 9:13:17 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.14513cc54d04

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“Earlier this week, I met separately with FBI [Director] James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” Brennan said, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message.

CIA and FBI officials do not think Russia had a “single purpose” by intervening during the presidential campaign, officials said. In addition to the goal of helping elect Trump, Putin aimed to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, intelligence officials have told lawmakers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/16/another-jim-comey-wildcard-just-got-dropped-on-the-2016-election/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.1263668f8f36

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Previously, the FBI's apparently noncommittal stance on Russia's motives provided skeptical Republicans with some valuable plausible deniability that Russia actually intended to help Trump. Part of the apparent disharmony seemed to stem from the differences in the two organizations' mission statements and cultures, with the FBI more interested in what it could prove and the CIA more comfortable drawing inferences based on the evidence at hand. An official now tells The Post that the FBI's and CIA's positions were “never all that different in the first place.”

What better way to undermine the US electoral system than to help a totally incompetent buffoon into the White House? You get to make America look stupid, disrupt the government as a whole and spend the next 4 years exploiting an easily manipulated president. Putin must have been laughing his ass off throughout the whole campaign.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 10:04:54 PM

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Amen. But good luck getting any Trump supporters to care. They're more loyal to their hatred of Hillary Clinton than they are to the United States. Two years ago these people were howling about how awful Putin was - and they were right, look at the slaughter of children and innocents in Aleppo that Putin is party to. Now all of a sudden it's okay to cede the American White House to the guy.

All because the prospect of a woman in power makes their already tiny breakfast sausages feel even more miniscule. These dudes are the most insecure little boys in American history. They are a disgrace to this country. They could Make America Great by leaving. Go to Russia, comrades, you sure aren't real Americans.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 10:51:57 PM

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There is no basis on which to claim that the hacking affected the outcome of the election. The implication that people would have voted differently is sour grapes speculation.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:05:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
There is no basis on which to claim that the hacking affected the outcome of the election. The implication that people would have voted differently is sour grapes speculation.

Here comes the damage control.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:12:02 PM

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I have to wonder what proof would be enough to make the post truthers believe anything about it.
only trump saying yes it was....maybe....or they would say he was being forced to say it....

bless their little hearts

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:30:44 PM

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why should anyone care at all? We have homeland security to protect the fuhrerland.

The russians could give a fuck what these assholes are saying to cover their asses and distract us citizens from all their corruption, but the cats otta da bag now.

get used to it kids!

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:38:09 PM

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I have to wonder what proof would be enough to make the post truthers believe anything about it.
only trump saying yes it was....maybe....or they would say he was being forced to say it....

bless their little hearts

an admission would work well. what would make you believe 911 was a mihop?

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:40:18 PM

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There is no basis on which to claim that the hacking affected the outcome of the election. The implication that people would have voted differently is sour grapes speculation.

K.

agreed, its all ciachodrama

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:45:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

What better way to undermine the US electoral system than to help a totally incompetent buffoon into the White House? You get to make America look stupid, disrupt the government as a whole and spend the next 4 years exploiting an easily manipulated president. Putin must have been laughing his ass off throughout the whole campaign.

it would be pretty tough to beat out ohaha haha haha haha with his unaffordable buy it or we fine the shit out of you health care plan.

talk about a laughstock.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/16/2016 11:59:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
There is no basis on which to claim that the hacking affected the outcome of the election. The implication that people would have voted differently is sour grapes speculation.

Here comes the damage control.

The only thing you've ever damaged is your credibility. Personally, I don't think those opposed to Hillary needed any encouragement. But if there was an effect, it was solely due to the content of the materials that Wikileaks released, and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity.

K.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 1:11:44 AM

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But if there was an effect, it was solely due to the content of the materials that Wikileaks released, and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity.

Except they only knew the 'truth' about one of the candidates.

The other one wouldn't even release his tax returns, let alone personal emails regarding business dealings. All we got was his embarrassing public behavior and some irrelevant backstage recording... not even the Apprentice outtakes. You might not think it makes a difference, but it does.

But of course I'm sure that Russia was acting in the interests of American democracy... nobody loves American democracy more than a former KGB agent.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 1:13:55 AM

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One doesn't need to be a mind reader to gauge Putin's mind regarding what outcome of the election would best suit his intentions and aspirations. Nor that Trump's commercial interests in Russia made him amenable thereby.

Just having any thinking mind at all would suffice, if going by his (Putin's) actions and intentions and Russian history, for those interested in such detail.

And you seem to have been left on the sidelines regarding the overwhelming consensus that those most against HR Clinton in fact just stayed at home, while the vast majority of those voting for Trump did so with open admission that they didn't care at all how much he lied, only that he was 'more inspirational.'

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
... and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity.

You got that one right. Whoever thinks that Trump voters give a flying frap about 'truth' is as delusional as his voters.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 1:58:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

But if there was an effect, it was solely due to the content of the materials that Wikileaks released, and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity.

Except they only knew the 'truth' about one of the candidates.

The other one wouldn't even release his tax returns, let alone personal emails regarding business dealings. All we got was his embarrassing public behavior and some irrelevant backstage recording... not even the Apprentice outtakes. You might not think it makes a difference, but it does.

Yeah, it's too bad the media never covered any of the dirt on Trump.

You're a fucking laugh a minute.

K.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 2:04:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

One doesn't need to be a mind reader . . . Just having any thinking mind at all would suffice

Yes, people who don't think like you are such mindless idiots.

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And you seem to have been left on the sidelines regarding the overwhelming consensus that those most against HR Clinton in fact just stayed at home

Let me guess, a 97% consensus?

K.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 2:31:36 AM

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One doesn't need to be a mind reader . . . Just having any thinking mind at all would suffice

Yes, people who don't think like you are such mindless idiots.

No, just people self intentionally misinformed and most amenable to fairy tale would describe it. But thanks for your cut/edit to say what I intended in the first place, any regards.

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And you seem to have been left on the sidelines regarding the overwhelming consensus that those most against HR Clinton in fact just stayed at home

"Let me guess, a 97% consensus?"

I didn't realize the number was that high, not to say I am surprised.

Thanks for filling us in.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 4:49:38 AM

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Wait, I thought Hillary lost the election because of FBI director Comey.

We will need the Russians during the next world war.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 5:01:15 AM

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Wait, I thought Hillary lost the election because of FBI director Comey.

We will need the Russians during the next world war.

Have they blamed global warming or the NRA?

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 5:36:06 AM

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Yeah, it's too bad the media never covered any of the dirt on Trump.

You're a fucking laugh a minute.

When did they cover the contents of private emails between Trump and members of the RNC?

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 5:51:34 AM

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Why the fuck do you guys care NOW?

You sure didn't give two fucks when emailgate started! In fact you guys kept saying it was a non story. And just another bullshit investigation... A waste of taxpayer dollars you cried to the heavens!

NOW that Trump actually won the election... And the RNC proved to be better at cyber security, you cry foul.

You have the nerve to say that us conservatives are afraid of a woman President, and cry about Russia, when you should be crying about Clinton, and her unsecured bathroom server.
You should be crying about her total lack of intelligence, and her total incompetence at handling security clearances.

But no, you'll still beat the party drum, and lay blame everywhere BUT at the feet of the idiot where the blame truly lies.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 5:55:27 AM

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since there was no email gate thats why it was a non story. A waste of taxpayer dollars because after 11 or more investigations there was no evidence of crime or hacking.

RNC has not proved that it has better cyber security.
Her server was secured enough that it took the FBI months to break it.

You are spewing gobs of factless felch with no proof whatsoever.

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