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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:12:38 AM   
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They tried their utmost best to discredit and ridicule Trump.


Because he deserved it.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:16:50 AM   
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The thing that I find most humorous about the "Russian's hacked our e-mails and influenced the election" excuse is that the entire argument is based on the fact that they showed us our own news media was unethically colluding with HRC's side. It reminds me of having a guy on tape admitting to the murder but everyone is more upset about the illegal way his phone was tapped. Don't throw the evidence out, use it to put the murderer in prison and get the second trial going to resolve the issue of the illegal phone tapping. Same thing here... yes we need to stop the Russian's from hacking us, but don't let that divert your attention from the more important fact that OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.

^PRECISELY!

All the Russians did was expose emails. Fact is, Hillary was careless with her emails. That's her own fault. It's like you know how Yahoo got hacked for 1billion contact details? I am blaming THAT on Yahoo for being negligent on their security, NOT Russian Hackers. And INFACT, another thing is, Yahoo has been secretly "legally" hacked by the US government too. Secret hacking allowed for US Government to mine information. Yahoo security team trace the hackers to the US Government.

Hell the fact that there are all these things! We don't even know IF Russians really hacked those emails.

And I am seriously worried that the Media is so unrepentant about their bias reporting. That media wants to continue to play the role of influencing people's decisions and mind. They tried their utmost best to discredit and ridicule Trump.


It's a massive propaganda campaign, and it's not just the news media. It starts in preschool kiddie's shows and it continues on through college, happens in union meetings and you even see it in AARP literature.

That's why Donald Trump shocked them so much, Hillary was programmed in. She was "inevitable". Thanks to the Internet people are noticing it more and more and it's lost much of its effect.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:22:36 AM   
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Because he deserved it.

But it is not the media's role to "punish" people whom they deem as guilty.
Their role is to simply report facts unemotionally, neutrally.

But media has injected alot of emotions and their personal view into this election for sure!

That is unprofessional journalism.

It's like even if they are reporting on an actual murderer, they gotta just report the facts and not add in what the emotional feelings of the reporter is, against this murderer.

It's some of the interviews towards Trump is sooo unprofessional, the demeanor of the interviewer is so disrespectful and ridiculing him. Imagine if a reporter goes do an interview with a mass murderer with that attitude too. That is not right!



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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:29:26 AM   
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Because he deserved it.

But it is not the media's role to "punish" people whom they deem as guilty.
Their role is to simply report facts unemotionally, neutrally.

But media has injected alot of emotions and their personal view into this election for sure!

That is unprofessional journalism.

It's like even if they are reporting on an actual murderer, they gotta just report the facts and not add in what the emotional feelings of the reporter is, against this murderer.

It's some of the interviews towards Trump is sooo unprofessional, the demeanor of the interviewer is so disrespectful and ridiculing him. Imagine if a reporter goes do an interview with a mass murderer with that attitude too. That is not right!




You can explain such things to someone on the alt left, but getting them to understand it or acknowledge the basic truth is impossible.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:33:47 AM   
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But it is not the media's role to "punish" people whom they deem as guilty.
Their role is to simply report facts unemotionally, neutrally.

But media has injected alot of emotions and their personal view into this election for sure!
That is unprofessional journalism.


Not if it's an opinion column.

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It's like even if they are reporting on an actual murderer, they gotta just report the facts and not add in what the emotional feelings of the reporter is, against this murderer.


They will report on the murder and then there could be an opinion column about it as well.

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It's some of the interviews towards Trump is sooo unprofessional, the demeanor of the interviewer is so disrespectful and ridiculing him. Imagine if a reporter goes do an interview with a mass murderer with that attitude too. That is not right!


No, Trump himself is soooo unprofessional. If anything, they kept giving him a free pass and making him out to be a joke or even worse an irresistibly hilarious statement about how bad American politics has become. What they should have done from the very beginning is recognize that he's actually a serious threat that poses a great danger to America and the rest of the world.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 4:01:05 AM   
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He got billions of dollars worth of media coverage because he lied practically every day, blatantly
and 62,958,211 (or so )of the morons gobbled it up..


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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 4:59:47 AM   
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No, it was simple as ABC. Anyone But Clinton. The democrats put Trump in because they insisted on Clinton. Almost anyone could have beat Trump, but they to choose one of the probably five people in the country who couldn't, Charlie Manson being among them though I would have considered him.

And the republicans had nobody who wanted to run, Trump only ran as a republican, he supported democrats most of the time. That is not going to help him in dealing with congress I suspect and possibly they government will be hamstung enough not to fuck up too much.

I don't know what exactly happens now. Trump is too unpredictable, but Clinton would have caused more problems internationally. Her interventionalist attitude would no doubt piss off Russia, and probably strengthen their ties with China creating a force that could actually beat the US. And they got the money. China sells stuff and has factories, so does Russia. Russia has oil. In fact they can use gas and just let the Europeans freeze.

China has state of the art CNC machining, robotics, ceramic cutting tools and all that. They can produce more of a war machine in less time than Hitler could ever dream, and do it cheap. With Russian engineers, who are not slouches by any stretch, they could be ready to invade the US in a year or so. Whether they get away with it or not is another story, but so far every attack on this country by a foreigner has succeeded. Seems we defend other countries only. In fact some asshole can walk into a military base and kill a bunch of people because there is not one of them there with a gun. But a bank has armed guards.

I don't like this at all. And the best we can do for a President is someone who practically says "Kick his ass and I'll pay your lawyer bill". Or we could have an autistic bitch with zero respect for our people on embassies. She could have picked from millions of words but came up with "What does it matter now ?". That is almost as bad as Johnson allowing the coverup of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. Not quite, but in the same realm. He was quoted as saying he didn't care if everyone on that ship was dead. And Hillary Clinton works for the same people, and if she was President for the last eight years we would be at another unwinnable war, ten times the trouble of Vietman, which we lost anyway. With Trump we might or might not.

I think maybe screwed is better than surely screwed. And about 60 million people agree. Is he the best choice ? Hell no.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 5:58:17 AM   
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I don't know what exactly happens now. Trump is too unpredictable, but Clinton would have caused more problems internationally. Her interventionalist attitude would no doubt piss off Russia, and probably strengthen their ties with China creating a force that could actually beat the US. And they got the money. China sells stuff and has factories, so does Russia. Russia has oil. In fact they can use gas and just let the Europeans freeze.


Is this a joke?

Russia is a has-been nation currently crippled by well-deserved sanctions. They can't 'beat' anyone when all they have to sell is oil. When was the last time you bought anything that was made in Russia? Are they a major banking center? A service economy? A tech giant? Culture exporter? No, they're basically a more capitalist version of North Korea with a resource economy that isn't even so important to anyone. China's colonization of Africa could probably do more for them than a continued relationship with Russia.

China isn't going to attack the US unless Trump goes through with his trade war and keeps acting like a maniac... and they can win that war easily... they don't need Russia. Putin is a strong man in charge of a weak country, and Trump either thinks it's still 1955, thinks Putin is cool and wants his autograph, or is possibly involved in some seriously shady shit with him.

Hillary would have pushed through the TPP which would have pressured China to join eventually or lose out on the East Asian markets-- both of which are positive outcomes for the US. Trump seems intent on giving China those markets in exchange for making him look tough and hammering out a trade deal that forces Americans to compete with slaves, probably for similar wages.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 6:01:02 AM   
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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 7:53:18 AM   
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What they should have done from the very beginning is recognize that he's actually a serious threat that poses a great danger to America and the rest of the world.

Oh please, all the leftish were laughing at me, when I said confidently Trump will win right from the beginning. I said that he is Republican's only HOPE of beating Hillary, since he had -4% of winning the primary. Nobody believed the Trump could win and continued to ridicule him and treat him like a joke. It's not just the media. DNC themselves and pretty much 99.9% of leftish people. Infact DNC themselves laughed when Trump won the Primary and thought they were gonna get an easy victory.

Because of the left arrogance. Now saying the media should have foresight to know Trump can win, is just pushing blame.

I bet you never thought yourself Trump had a chance, since he went down that escalator and announced his running.

I believed in him, because Trump has a very very good track record, of bouncing up from the lowest shithole. People said that is his weakness. To me, that is his strength. And the country is in a damn big shithole of debt. I always felt he was the only one who could do something and improve the situation. And he also have the balls to go against the grain and do something different.

And the media should just do their damn job and be neutral. I mean, even the debates, they ask Trump more difficult questions than any of his contestants. He had the whole media against him! To say the media didn't do enough to stop him is ridiculous. They did so much. Right from the beginning, from ridiculing him as a joke contestant was already their start of discrediting him on purpose.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 8:24:58 AM   
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Oh please, all the leftish were laughing at me, when I said confidently Trump will win right from the beginning.


How is saying this an objection to what I just said?

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I believed in him, because Trump has a very very good track record, of bouncing up from the lowest shithole. People said that is his weakness. To me, that is his strength. And the country is in a damn big shithole of debt. I always felt he was the only one who could do something and improve the situation. And he also have the balls to go against the grain and do something different.


I really don't think he was ever in a shithole, Greta. He was old money who stayed rich the same way a lot of old money people stay rich... not exactly an inspiration to anyone.

And 'different' doesn't mean 'better'.

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And the media should just do their damn job and be neutral. I mean, even the debates, they ask Trump more difficult questions than any of his contestants. He had the whole media against him! To say the media didn't do enough to stop him is ridiculous. They did so much. Right from the beginning, from ridiculing him as a joke contestant was already their start of discrediting him on purpose.


I just said it was a mistake to treat him as a joke.
He isn't a joke, he's a menace.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 9:19:43 AM   
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Hilary ran on "I'm a woman and I'm not Trump."

Not really a rallying cry. That's why she lost.

THIS^ is probably the only thing I am ever gonna be agreeing with you about.



Lol... it's not true but it is true. She had a platform but she didn't really seem to get it across at all. Everything in the media was all about Trump's positions on everything and they thought it was hurting him but all it did was teach the American people what rhe issues were (according to him anyways). The media basically drilled these issues into everyone's head. Hillary could not even begin to match that kind of coverage with her weak personality.

Sometimes i think that this whole thing is being orchestrated on purpose. I know it seems like there are 2 teams here but i think that what we are witnessing is the USA trying to play a hail Mary with Trump and if things don't go well they are holding a trump card (literally Trump himself) to try to back out of the play (if it doesn't seem to be working out) by some sort of 'Sorry we let this get out of hand... it is that madman Trump's fault, we'll impeach him now... please forgive us, etc etc). Of course, on the other hand, if it works out great then we vote Trump our MVP.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 12:39:14 PM   
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But it is not the media's role to "punish" people whom they deem as guilty.
Their role is to simply report facts unemotionally, neutrally.

But media has injected alot of emotions and their personal view into this election for sure!
That is unprofessional journalism.


Not if it's an opinion column.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It's like even if they are reporting on an actual murderer, they gotta just report the facts and not add in what the emotional feelings of the reporter is, against this murderer.


They will report on the murder and then there could be an opinion column about it as well.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It's some of the interviews towards Trump is sooo unprofessional, the demeanor of the interviewer is so disrespectful and ridiculing him. Imagine if a reporter goes do an interview with a mass murderer with that attitude too. That is not right!


No, Trump himself is soooo unprofessional. If anything, they kept giving him a free pass and making him out to be a joke or even worse an irresistibly hilarious statement about how bad American politics has become. What they should have done from the very beginning is recognize that he's actually a serious threat that poses a great danger to America and the rest of the world.

Your right, in an opinion piece they can be as hostile as they want, however the NYT, NBC, CBS, ABC, an CNN,to name a few put there opinion pieces out as front page news.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 12:42:34 PM   
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Two more states, KY and WV, both expected to be Trump states have claimed to have been hacked (or at least attempted hacks) by the DHS.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 12:49:53 PM   
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Two more states, KY and WV, both expected to be Trump states have claimed to have been hacked (or at least attempted hacks) by the DHS.


Also, I heard that Obama was not even an American.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 1:22:44 PM   
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Two more states, KY and WV, both expected to be Trump states have claimed to have been hacked (or at least attempted hacks) by the DHS.


Also, I heard that Obama was not even an American.

Not from me.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 1:51:31 PM   
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Two more states, KY and WV, both expected to be Trump states have claimed to have been hacked (or at least attempted hacks) by the DHS.


Also, I heard that Obama was not even an American.

That was originated by......Hillary.
And the Dems tried to use it against McCain claiming he wasn't a US Citizen because his parents, both of whom where US citizens (his father was a Capt in the navy and his grandfather was a admiral in the US navy ) were off base when he was born.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 1:56:15 PM   
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Was it not the Trumpster who started the birther nonsense?

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 2:03:41 PM   
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Two more states, KY and WV, both expected to be Trump states have claimed to have been hacked (or at least attempted hacks) by the DHS.


Also, I heard that Obama was not even an American.

That was originated by......Hillary.
And the Dems tried to use it against McCain claiming he wasn't a US Citizen because his parents, both of whom where US citizens (his father was a Capt in the navy and his grandfather was a admiral in the US navy ) were off base when he was born.

Nope, you welfare patients dont get much for your begging, certainly no facts.

Andy Martin, 2004. http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563

Hillary never originated it or expanded it, you can show us the felch on your tongue but no credible citation of anything.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:48:45 PM   
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Crippled my ass. They are laughing. And like when was the last time I bought anything made in Russia ? Well the US government and telecom companies buy their rockets because we can no longer build them. The state of California has more debt than Russia.

And they don't pay $600 for a toilet seat.

You want to have them stop buying Russian rockets ? Well then say goodbye to your cable TV. Also say goodbye to long range recon in case of war. The Chinese have proven they can knock out a satellite and now has their own "GPS" system totally independent. You think they put those up there just for GPS ? That means they will have recon that they will share with the Russians and we won't.

All they have to sell is oil ? Well their fighter jets are better than ours. Israel has some, many countries have bought some. I mean BOUGHT, they don't give them away like the US does. Unlike the US it is not just "OK, well knock this off your foreign aid" even if they do that.

And tell me what the US sells. Some planes. And they are going to have to give away those boatanchor F-35s. Commercial airliners, yup, how many a year ? How much of a trade surplus do we have due to that ?

Overconfidence is deadly. The US has to buy components for arms from China, and we aren't talking a few MOLEX connectors here, rockets from Russia, good food. Sure, tell me how we export more food, we export wheat. Try living on wheat. We can't even get a deal on sugar because of a sordid past in South America so we get HFCS or aspartame. Thought sugar was bad for you ? This shit beats it hands down.

Russia crippled, what a fucking joke. I needed a good laugh. To think that people are that brainwashed, and not realizing that we could not handle Iraq, and that EVERY member of congress has been bribed to support a US attack on Iran which is much bigger, and having a President that surprised me by having the backbone to say NO, partly because we cannot afford it, he gets called a coward. Send YOUR kids to war.

Ever hear of BRICS ? How about the NAM ? Both groups sick of big countries taking over and meddling. The US does not have support in its aggressive actions.

A tech giant ? Well supposedly they can hack into US computers just fine. That must be quite a feat in a country that supposedly just got color TV last year. Got tubes in their planes. (which are less vulnerable to EMP BTW, in fact they just put up an antenna array using vacuum tubes for that specific reason)

If you think Russia is going to be easy you have almost no understanding of the technology involved, or even the cost. The US is to the point where they are not going to sell alot of bonds. Notice how congress has not raised the debt ceiling lately ? THEY CAN'T. If they try, Moody's is going to speak again and that mandates paying more interest. The only reason interest on the national debt is so low is because it is fairly secure.. Change that with a war and those low interest rates are out the window.

Meantime, Russia is not so dependent on debt. You want war, can't shoot or fight ? You might be conscripted to a farm or processing plant to make those MREs so the soldiers don't starve. And if the US plays with the other big boys, we are going to have to become self sufficient. The US dollar won't be worth the paper on which it is printed, and even those who might take it might be afraid to sell us anything and make enemies of people who are alot closer to home, to them.

The US is not the center of the world. We are not even a major market as far as China is concerned. They're making alot of money in Europe and Asia. Russia sells natural gas to a good piece of Europe, which is what Ukraine was really about, getting a finger in that pie. Of course that worked out well, I am still waiting for the civil war there. Instead of north against south it will be east against west.

But yay yay yay USA ! We're number one ! More than one suicide per day in the military and a third of them on psyche drugs.

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