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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/17/2016 11:27:17 PM   
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OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.


I think the reason for that was more that Trump was a legitimately weak candidate and objectively unsuited for the presidency. If they had bolstered him, they would have been betraying their objectivity.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 5:53:04 AM   
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The thing that I find most humorous about the "Russian's hacked our e-mails and influenced the election" excuse is that the entire argument is based on the fact that they showed us our own news media was unethically colluding with HRC's side. It reminds me of having a guy on tape admitting to the murder but everyone is more upset about the illegal way his phone was tapped. Don't throw the evidence out, use it to put the murderer in prison and get the second trial going to resolve the issue of the illegal phone tapping. Same thing here... yes we need to stop the Russian's from hacking us, but don't let that divert your attention from the more important fact that OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.


The enemy without, did us a favor by exposing the enemy within.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 6:01:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		So let me get this straight. After excoriating Trump for possibly not accepting the election outcome, you whiny Leftists are now not accepting the election outcome and are supporting conspiracy theories about why your candidate lost.

OH THE MOTHERFUCKING IRONY!

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 6:15:45 AM   
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So let me get this straight. After excoriating Trump for possibly not accepting the election outcome, you whiny Leftists are now not accepting the election outcome and are supporting conspiracy theories about why your candidate lost.

OH THE MOTHERFUCKING IRONY!

Of course you have the definitive information that makes your beliefs correct...super secwet knowledge that you can vewify:) and are just here to inform us that we are whiny...lol, yeah, thats some irony right there.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 6:23:29 AM   
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Two years ago these people were howling about how awful Putin was - and they were right, look at the slaughter of children and innocents in Aleppo that Putin is party to. Now all of a sudden it's okay to cede the American White House to the guy.



A lot of straw being thrown around lately. Brain-dead Musical claims that anyone who supports Donald Trump has to love the Soviet system. You are claiming that "these people" were (every one of us) "howling" about Russia "slaughtering innocents" in Aleppo.

Aleppo is a complicated situation, and there are a lot of dirty hands involved with the slaughter there. Wikileaks has suggested that a friend of Hillary has been profiting from that slaughter. Vladimir Putin is fighting ISIS there, and ISIS are the worst. Who is Obama selling weapons to in the area. The problem there is only black and white too fools like you.

I suggest that you try to pull your head out of your ass, before it's too late and your brain damage caused by asphyxiation becomes even more severe than it currently is.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 6:36:47 AM   
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... Vladimir Putin is fighting ISIS there, and ISIS are the worst. ...



That' the official Russian version - but ISIS isn't in Aleppo. Syrian army rebels are, and al-noosra, American supported groups. ISIS retook Palmyra, and is fighting around Mossul.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 7:03:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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... Vladimir Putin is fighting ISIS there, and ISIS are the worst. ...



That' the official Russian version - but ISIS isn't in Aleppo. Syrian army rebels are, and al-noosra, American supported groups. ISIS retook Palmyra, and is fighting around Mossul.


There is debate, it's not all black and white. The alt left is still screaming about Reagan arming the Taliban vs. the Soviets yet here we have Barack Obama arming Muslim "rebels" against Russia after assisting ISIS in Libya by helping murder Gaddafi

For morons like musical to claim that anyone not in lockstep with the Hillary goosestep loves the Soviets is insane.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 7:40:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		For nutsucker morons like inSanity, here are some facts:
The US did nothing to murder the terrorist and American citizen killer, Kaddafi. He did that to himself, with his own people. ISIS was not armed by the US
The arming of rebels is Kurds. Its not against Russia, it is against the Syrian strongman dictator.

For felchgobblers like inSanity, et al, they rely on their great dildo in a necktie, old: "Facts are stupid things", St. Wrinklemeat.
Their collective alzheimers is the fundamental ideology of these nutsucker goons and thugs.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 7:54:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The monolithic lockstep left whose candidate failed to win because most of them couldn't be bothered to vote for her, you mean?
Yep, obviously the left is a far more homogenised group than the right.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 11:47:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

So let me get this straight. After excoriating Trump for possibly not accepting the election outcome, you whiny Leftists are now not accepting the election outcome and are supporting conspiracy theories about why your candidate lost.

OH THE MOTHERFUCKING IRONY!

Hilary lost due to unabashed hubris in place of a coherent agenda.

Trump won because all the candidates in this election sucked, and the sheep wouldn't accept en mass that they didn't have to vote for major party candidates.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 12:59:14 PM   
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Hilary lost due to unabashed hubris in place of a coherent agenda.

Trump won because all the candidates in this election sucked, and the sheep wouldn't accept en mass that they didn't have to vote for major party candidates.


No, Hillary lost because real political issues are complicated and can't be easily boiled down to simplistic talking points.
Trump won because he doesn't understand or care about this, and neither did the people who voted for him.

I'm not defending Hillary's positions... she's a hawk, a globalist, elitist, etc... but she knows how to run a country.

Maybe telling people she's going to tax the rich and keep inching the country closer to democratic socialism over the long term doesn't have the bite or flair of blaming Mexicans and Islam and China for everyone's problems, but it's a solid, respectable vision.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 1:17:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hilary ran on "I'm a woman and I'm not Trump."

Not really a rallying cry. That's why she lost.

And pissing off half the Democrats with the DNC's shenanigans in the primary.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 1:37:41 PM   
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Hilary ran on "I'm a woman and I'm not Trump."

Not really a rallying cry. That's why she lost.

And pissing off half the Democrats with the DNC's shenanigans in the primary.


More ignorance and stupidity. Everything you know, you pull out of your ass, don't you, carnival monkey?

Hillary's actual campaign platform, from her website:

A fair tax system

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 8:43:39 PM   
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The thing that I find most humorous about the "Russian's hacked our e-mails and influenced the election" excuse is that the entire argument is based on the fact that they showed us our own news media was unethically colluding with HRC's side. It reminds me of having a guy on tape admitting to the murder but everyone is more upset about the illegal way his phone was tapped. Don't throw the evidence out, use it to put the murderer in prison and get the second trial going to resolve the issue of the illegal phone tapping. Same thing here... yes we need to stop the Russian's from hacking us, but don't let that divert your attention from the more important fact that OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.


And it backfired on them bigtime!

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 8:58:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Ezzcon
OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.


I think the reason for that was more that Trump was a legitimately weak candidate and objectively unsuited for the presidency. If they had bolstered him, they would have been betraying their objectivity.

They flat out stated that they had no reason to be objective about Trump.
And if you think that was just about Trump the why did the first moderator for not giving Obama extra time against Romney and the other two actively helped Obama with Crowley actually lying to help Obama?

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/18/2016 11:58:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Ezzcon
OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.


I think the reason for that was more that Trump was a legitimately weak candidate and objectively unsuited for the presidency. If they had bolstered him, they would have been betraying their objectivity.

They flat out stated that they had no reason to be objective about Trump.
And if you think that was just about Trump the why did the first moderator for not giving Obama extra time against Romney and the other two actively helped Obama with Crowley actually lying to help Obama?

The lies are provably from the welfare patient nutsuckers at this point, regardless of their English as a no language.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 2:19:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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... Vladimir Putin is fighting ISIS there, and ISIS are the worst. ...



That' the official Russian version - but ISIS isn't in Aleppo. Syrian army rebels are, and al-noosra, American supported groups. ISIS retook Palmyra, and is fighting around Mossul.


There is debate, it's not all black and white. ...


There not much to debate concerning where ISIS is and is not these days. There is reconnaissance from the air and regular evaluation of the few available informations of the situation on the ground. Maybe not published where you are.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 2:58:34 AM   
heavyblinker


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They flat out stated that they had no reason to be objective about Trump.


The media as a whole said this?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And if you think that was just about Trump the why did the first moderator for not giving Obama extra time against Romney and the other two actively helped Obama with Crowley actually lying to help Obama?


Why are you talking about this?

I was talking about the media.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:01:27 AM   
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Hilary ran on "I'm a woman and I'm not Trump."

Not really a rallying cry. That's why she lost.

THIS^ is probably the only thing I am ever gonna be agreeing with you about.

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RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White... - 12/19/2016 3:06:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ezzcon

The thing that I find most humorous about the "Russian's hacked our e-mails and influenced the election" excuse is that the entire argument is based on the fact that they showed us our own news media was unethically colluding with HRC's side. It reminds me of having a guy on tape admitting to the murder but everyone is more upset about the illegal way his phone was tapped. Don't throw the evidence out, use it to put the murderer in prison and get the second trial going to resolve the issue of the illegal phone tapping. Same thing here... yes we need to stop the Russian's from hacking us, but don't let that divert your attention from the more important fact that OUR OWN NEWS MEDIA WAS TRYING TO UNETHICALLY SWAY THE ELECTION. We should expect that behavior from our enemies and do things to guard against it, but we should not tolerate it from our own news media.

^PRECISELY!

All the Russians did was expose emails. Fact is, Hillary was careless with her emails. That's her own fault. It's like you know how Yahoo got hacked for 1billion contact details? I am blaming THAT on Yahoo for being negligent on their security, NOT Russian Hackers. And INFACT, another thing is, Yahoo has been secretly "legally" hacked by the US government too. Secret hacking allowed for US Government to mine information. Yahoo security team trace the hackers to the US Government.

Hell the fact that there are all these things! We don't even know IF Russians really hacked those emails.

And I am seriously worried that the Media is so unrepentant about their bias reporting. That media wants to continue to play the role of influencing people's decisions and mind. They tried their utmost best to discredit and ridicule Trump.

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