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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 12:09:22 PM   
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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 1:53:19 PM   
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Oh, I might add, the entire leftist victimology philosophy is made up, it's not real. So, actually thinking in the real world and making note of real actions is not making things up. It's having a different world view that is not based in made up philosophy that will someday, thank god, be left on the trash heap of history.

You ignore history, Nn. Or, you are quite ignorant of it.

Slandering me as a racist is a futile ad hom exercise. I am comfortable with my personal history.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 1:58:47 PM   
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Oh, I might add, the entire leftist victimology philosophy is made up, it's not real. So, actually thinking in the real world and making note of real actions is not making things up. It's having a different world view that is not based in made up philosophy that will someday, thank god, be left on the trash heap of history.

You ignore history, Nn. Or, you are quite ignorant of it.

Slandering me as a racist is a futile ad hom exercise. I am comfortable with my personal history.


I imagine a few of the alt right KKK types are comfortable as well.

BTW, what is ad hominem about pointing out a racist statement you made, and double downed upon?

Oh, and yes, I ignore your version of history now. I've studied it enough to see its fallacies. You can help me though, why, despite all its failures and having no working model that has succeeded, do people continue to believe the myth of your history?

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 2:35:58 PM   
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Oh, I might add, the entire leftist victimology philosophy is made up, it's not real. So, actually thinking in the real world and making note of real actions is not making things up. It's having a different world view that is not based in made up philosophy that will someday, thank god, be left on the trash heap of history.

You ignore history, Nn. Or, you are quite ignorant of it.

Slandering me as a racist is a futile ad hom exercise. I am comfortable with my personal history.


I imagine a few of the alt right KKK types are comfortable as well.

BTW, what is ad hominem about pointing out a racist statement you made, and double downed upon?

Oh, and yes, I ignore your version of history now. I've studied it enough to see its fallacies. You can help me though, why, despite all its failures and having no working model that has succeeded, do people continue to believe the myth of your history?

Vague accusations. If you perceive a racist statement from me, quote it.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:09:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		i find the whole thing disturbing, not so much that the male students said whatever it is they said, but that the universities can actually discipline them for it the way they did.

id love to see the specific university codes of conduct the students supposedly broke.

I suspect we'll be hearing more of this story in the coming days.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:12:46 PM   
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Oh, I might add, the entire leftist victimology philosophy is made up, it's not real. So, actually thinking in the real world and making note of real actions is not making things up. It's having a different world view that is not based in made up philosophy that will someday, thank god, be left on the trash heap of history.

You ignore history, Nn. Or, you are quite ignorant of it.

Slandering me as a racist is a futile ad hom exercise. I am comfortable with my personal history.


I imagine a few of the alt right KKK types are comfortable as well.

BTW, what is ad hominem about pointing out a racist statement you made, and double downed upon?

Oh, and yes, I ignore your version of history now. I've studied it enough to see its fallacies. You can help me though, why, despite all its failures and having no working model that has succeeded, do people continue to believe the myth of your history?

Vague accusations. If you perceive a racist statement from me, quote it.

I put it in bold when I originally quoted you. So, LOL, you've been arguing with me this whole time without knowing what I said! Typical liberal.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:14:55 PM   
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Clearly these privileged white boys....

I've read every link I can find on these stories, and nowhere in any of them was the race (races?) of the offenders identified.

But hey, enjoy yourself.

K.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:21:40 PM   
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Yes, and it shows us what the Alt left thinks of Free Speach.

Free speech is a right that applies to protection from the government, not private institutions. Opinions on the matter are irrelevant. That is just fact.



Then it's free speech to refuse to bake a fucking cake too.

T^T

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:29:00 PM   
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Clearly these privileged white boys....

I've read every link I can find on these stories, and nowhere in any of them was the race (races?) of the offenders identified.

But hey, enjoy yourself.

K.




You and your facts are going to make these SJWs kill themselves. Their blood will be on your hands. I'll buy you a beer.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:47:42 PM   
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It has come clear that in most of the western world, US included, free speech is only for certain people.

Wait until China walks in here, and if the EC puts Clinton in, WITH the Russians. Let's see how your political correctness works against a couple million AK-47s.

Fucking idiocy. Offended, fuck offended. When I was five I was told that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. The people at those funerals did not commit violence (usually) against the Westboro Baptist Church. In fact I did not see mant of their protests against Black people. Maybe they know there are those among them who won't take their shit and would just beat the fucking shit out of them.

Unfortunately, their funeral disruptions are Consitutionally protected, but you can be forced to bake a cake that says "Adam and Steve" on it.

Apply the same standards to everyone, otherwise they mean nothing. They are talking social media here, nothing that happens on campus, for one. For two, they are strictly concerned with image. you look at every administrator or whatever who supposedly had a problem with racist statements and I'll bet they live in a "good" neighborhood, and good is a code word for "White" and you fucking know it. And sexist ? Most have a Wife, but have concubines on the side. And those concubines don't get abortions, they get "D&C" which is pretty much drain and clear the uterus, if there happens to be a fetus in there we didn't see a thing.

One question for the more worldly among us - do colleges in other countries have sports teams ?

In fact, do their cities pay out millions for new sports arenas for professional teams ?

And do their young feel the need to twit every stupid thought that comes into their head ?

Beam me up Scotty.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 3:50:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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Yes, and it shows us what the Alt left thinks of Free Speach.

Free speech is a right that applies to protection from the government, not private institutions. Opinions on the matter are irrelevant. That is just fact.



Then it's free speech to refuse to bake a fucking cake too.

T^T

Well apparently I was somewhat in error on that.

Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. I can't see this not ending up in a lawsuit. Unless the boys decide that they would prefer not to give too much attention to the content of the emails.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 4:25:15 PM   
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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 4:40:41 PM   
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Privileged white college boys


How are they exactly privileged? Because they are white and male? Can you actually prove this racist and sexist assertion?

Tell the next homeless white dude that he's privileged. I'm sure he will understand.





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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:34:56 PM   
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In my opinion, some of this is off of the mark.

First, whether people agree with it or not, I would have to imagine this falls under the respective University's Code of Conduct. In turn, again for whatever terms these folks were on the athletic teams, so they voluntarily agreed to additional conditions of conduct. As such, since they are putting on those jerseys, they are considered "representatives" of the institution, which is usually a tighter set of guidelines.

Third, (and I can't believe anybody missed this) at least some of them used a bulletin board linked to the University's name. That puts their so-called 'free speech' under whatever terms and conditions of the sponsor. (Anybody reminded of ToS at this point? You should be.) Nobody stopped these people from saying whatever they wanted on the street. Linked to the school? Whole different ball of string.

Aren't some of you folks the same ones that say universities shouldn't have 'safe spaces' for victims of crimes because institutions of higher education are supposed to be preparing people for the real world? Seems to me, if you really want an even playing field, it has to be looked at the same. How many of you would be retained in your employment if you wrote the same, exact thing and plastered it on the company letterhead or website?



ETA - Just for bonus, I do happen to be of the opinion that a huge majority of people playing collegiate athletics probably are privileged. What's the percent of people who actually get to do that in the US?


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:37:15 PM   
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Clearly these privileged white boys....

I've read every link I can find on these stories, and nowhere in any of them was the race (races?) of the offenders identified.

But hey, enjoy yourself.

K.




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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:45:59 PM   
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In reading links contained in the articles, it seems that these are not isolated events. They have been dealing with some of the same issues with multiple athletic teams at the universities, dating back to at least 2012. Some of the teams have been punished for some of the "traditions" they have established, and yet they continued to do it. That is why there are suspension and probations now, because prior corrective actions have not stopped the activities.

At Harvard, the soccer team actually had their season cancelled this year, because of their ongoing activities. Different administrators referred to zero tolerance policies on such behavior and high expectations of character for their athletes. Top administration and general counsel at the universities were involved in the decisions, not just coaches. From the article about the soccer season being canceled:

Men’s soccer head coach Pieter Lehrer said in a statement: “We are beyond disappointed that our season has ended in this way, but we respect the decision made by our administration. Actions have consequences, and character counts. We accept responsibility for our actions, and I know that we will use the experience of this terribly unfortunate situation to be better.”

Harvard’s president Drew Faust said in a statement Thursday evening:

“I was deeply distressed to learn that the appalling actions of the 2012 men’s soccer team were not isolated to one year or the actions of a few individuals, but appear to have been more widespread across the team and have continued beyond 2012, including in the current season.

“Given this information, I fully support the clear and unequivocal decision made by the Director of Athletics today to cancel the remainder of the team’s season, including post-season play. I also agree with the Director’s desire to engage the team in a systematic program of training and to use this experience to reinforce core institutional values across the entire Department of Athletics.

Also, on a statement from the Athletic Director at Amherst:
The exchanges and the behavior described in the article—which team members acknowledge—are disgusting. They have no place on our sports teams or anywhere at our College. They violate the “zero-tolerance” standard toward bigotry of any kind that we explicitly set for our athletes.




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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:53:16 PM   
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Third, (and I can't believe anybody missed this) at least some of them used a bulletin board linked to the University's name. That puts their so-called 'free speech' under whatever terms and conditions of the sponsor. (Anybody reminded of ToS at this point? You should be.) Nobody stopped these people from saying whatever they wanted on the street. Linked to the school? Whole different ball of string.

Thank you, LP, for your insightful comments.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:55:36 PM   
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Aren't some of you folks the same ones that say universities shouldn't have 'safe spaces' for victims of crimes because institutions of higher education are supposed to be preparing people for the real world? Seems to me, if you really want an even playing field, it has to be looked at the same. How many of you would be retained in your employment if you wrote the same, exact thing and plastered it on the company letterhead or website?

The internet is full of stories of people who lost their jobs because of a tweet or facebook post.

Playing sports is a privilege itself, it is not a right. You are due rights, privileges you have to earn. Legally speaking, privileges have much less legal protections than rights.


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ETA - Just for bonus, I do happen to be of the opinion that a huge majority of people playing collegiate athletics probably are privileged. What's the percent of people who actually get to do that in the US?

Not to mention that these are at Ivy League colleges, not the community college down the street.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:56:10 PM   
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Privileged white college boys


How are they exactly privileged? Because they are white and male? Can you actually prove this racist and sexist assertion?

Tell the next homeless white dude that he's privileged. I'm sure he will understand.


Nick, what is your definition of racist?


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/18/2016 5:59:43 PM   
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Tell the next homeless white dude that he's privileged. I'm sure he will understand.

Even people with privilege can end up in unfortunate circumstances. You are a perfect example of that.

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