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Apply the same standards to everyone, otherwise they mean nothing. They are talking social media here, nothing that happens on campus, for one.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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In my opinion, some of this is off of the mark.

First, whether people agree with it or not, I would have to imagine this falls under the respective University's Code of Conduct. In turn, again for whatever terms these folks were on the athletic teams, so they voluntarily agreed to additional conditions of conduct. As such, since they are putting on those jerseys, they are considered "representatives" of the institution, which is usually a tighter set of guidelines.

Third, (and I can't believe anybody missed this) at least some of them used a bulletin board linked to the University's name. That puts their so-called 'free speech' under whatever terms and conditions of the sponsor. (Anybody reminded of ToS at this point? You should be.) Nobody stopped these people from saying whatever they wanted on the street. Linked to the school? Whole different ball of string.

Aren't some of you folks the same ones that say universities shouldn't have 'safe spaces' for victims of crimes because institutions of higher education are supposed to be preparing people for the real world? Seems to me, if you really want an even playing field, it has to be looked at the same. How many of you would be retained in your employment if you wrote the same, exact thing and plastered it on the company letterhead or website?



ETA - Just for bonus, I do happen to be of the opinion that a huge majority of people playing collegiate athletics probably are privileged. What's the percent of people who actually get to do that in the US?

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Apply the same standards to everyone, otherwise they mean nothing. They are talking social media here, nothing that happens on campus, for one.

LadyPact pointed out that there was no mention of outside social media.

Furthermore, the University is a community of students and professors and administrators. There are relationships unique to this particular type of community.

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BS, you posted a racist statement and are now trying to look all knowing and all clean.

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BS, you posted a racist statement and are now trying to look all knowing and all clean.

This is the scummiest slanderous sort of disingenuous, lying, debate technique imaginable. You accuse your counterpart of some misdeed upon which you profess outrage but then you refuse to clearly state the offensive statement.

Give me the perceived offense. Quote it clearly . . . .

Put up or stfu and go away.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Tell the next homeless white dude that he's privileged. I'm sure he will understand.

Even people with privilege can end up in unfortunate circumstances. You are a perfect example of that.

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Your response is pretty ignorant and if you were a right winger VML would say you were a lier.

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Well, actually, I am a lier. I like to lie around on Sunday mornings, which is what I am doing. However, I am not a liar.

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Touché

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
You are correct in what you've said except for two things.

The Obama Adminstration has had attorney's reinterpret Title IX and forced (if force can be applied to a liberal government agency forcing a liberal institution to be more liberal) universities to redefine codes of conduct. Those changes required by the Feds would probably not be mainstream.

At least we have a starting point.

I can't say much in relation to Title IX. However, at minimum, hasn't the Obama Administration come out pretty strong on the anti-bullying campaign aimed at campuses? Wouldn't some of this fall into that area, regardless of the gender or race of the perpetrators?

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Second, you take an 18 year old boy and offer him a soccer scholarship to an Ivy League school and he'll most likely sign anything to get in. I'll give you an example. A...relative of mine...signed to play ball at a large well resprcted institution. The school took him in at 190 pounds and nine months later had him at 260 with all of the steroids pumped into him. Yes, he willingly took the steroids as the team directed. He was scouted by the pros, both baseball and football. He was assured of a good university education and a career in the pros. He played two years until he had a career ending injury. The school sent a well respected member of the athletic dept. to him while he was recovering in the hospital and still on drugs. The school talked him into signing away his scholarship for the good of the team. Today, he sits on permanent disability because of what the steroids did to his heart. Signing away his scholarship meant he had to leave school because he couldn't afford school without the scholarship. 18-year old boys, and their parents, can't understand what they are agreeing to with the school.

Not sure if you are familiar that I've posted this before. I was born and bred in Penn State country. May not be Ivy League, but I've got a great understanding of just how many of those kids want a spot in those athletic programs so bad. Before the whole Jerry Sandusky scandal, people where I come from ate, lived, and breathed Penn State. Trust me. I get the mentality.

At the same time, how many reports have we seen over the years about how these universities have to clean up their athletics departments? Everything from recruiting gifts, to soft academic policies for players, and yes, various types of wrong doing that gets swept under the rug because the sports are more important than the ethics. When those teams win, stadium attendance and alumni contributions go up. There's a lot of 'look the other way' syndrome that goes on. The players are quite aware of it and the upperclassmen pass it down to the underclassmen and the cycle just goes. This tends to continue for the even more select few who actually get those careers in professional sports. How many professional players get arrested because they think they can get away with darn near anything?

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However, none of that trumps doing what they did on the university server.

Just a guess. Had it not been, the sanctions probably wouldn't have been as severe.

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Nobody was arguing they weren't bad boys. In fact, I was only arguing that VML was telling the story as only a racist could.

I'm not going down the 'racist' terminology with anyone or mess with the label being thrown out there. I think it clouds the issue. Perfectly willing to say, yep. The kids in the picture look white and they look male. If we're talking about punishment fitting the crime, I'm not terribly convinced that either of those things matter. I wouldn't have cared if it was the women's track team. If they had done it, I'd have probably said they deserved the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

One question for the more worldly among us - do colleges in other countries have sports teams ?

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In fact, do their cities pay out millions for new sports arenas for professional teams ?

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Vincent is racist as well as sexist because he stereotypes all white men as someone who is privileged. This stereotype is simply used to put down anyone who happens to be white and male.

How is that not racist and sexist?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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BS, you posted a racist statement and are now trying to look all knowing and all clean.

This is the scummiest slanderous sort of disingenuous, lying, debate technique imaginable. You accuse your counterpart of some misdeed upon which you profess outrage but then you refuse to clearly state the offensive statement.

Give me the perceived offense. Quote it clearly . . . .

Put up or stfu and go away.

I will admit that old saw calling people racist is very tired. The left has very much over used it for gain.

Your statement has been highlighted and bolded in more than one post by more than one person. I guess you just don't understand it, or can't.

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Apply the same standards to everyone, otherwise they mean nothing. They are talking social media here, nothing that happens on campus, for one.

LadyPact pointed out that there was no mention of outside social media.

Furthermore, the University is a community of students and professors and administrators. There are relationships unique to this particular type of community.

What BS. I'm beginning to sympathize with Awareness about you. "Relationships unique to this type of Community." You didn't know when you gave your racist rendition. Since then I've given you links to how the current administration is politicizing those "unique relationships". You're hiding behind LP as if you were sympatico all along. BS, you posted a racist statement and are now trying to look all knowing and all clean.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Apply the same standards to everyone, otherwise they mean nothing. They are talking social media here, nothing that happens on campus, for one.

LadyPact pointed out that there was no mention of outside social media.

Furthermore, the University is a community of students and professors and administrators. There are relationships unique to this particular type of community.

What BS. I'm beginning to sympathize with Awareness about you. "Relationships unique to this type of Community." You didn't know when you gave your racist rendition. Since then I've given you links to how the current administration is politicizing those "unique relationships". You're hiding behind LP as if you were sympatico all along. BS, you posted a racist statement and are now trying to look all knowing and all clean.

Would you deny the above in bold print? That University has special needs because it is a community of young people dependent on the mentoring of elders and because young people have not benefited by full development of the brain's executive functions?

As for the underlined above . . . . nothing in the OP referenced what you think the current administration is or is not politicizing, so just a distraction by you.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
You are correct in what you've said except for two things.

The Obama Adminstration has had attorney's reinterpret Title IX and forced (if force can be applied to a liberal government agency forcing a liberal institution to be more liberal) universities to redefine codes of conduct. Those changes required by the Feds would probably not be mainstream.

At least we have a starting point.

I can't say much in relation to Title IX. However, at minimum, hasn't the Obama Administration come out pretty strong on the anti-bullying campaign aimed at campuses? Wouldn't some of this fall into that area, regardless of the gender or race of the perpetrators?

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My problem was with VML's racist depiction...about which he is still pretending nothing he said was inappropriate.

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Dense! So the KKK have Relationships unique to their type of community. Why don't you bail on your attitude about them as well. VML, you made racist statements that have been shown in bold and red by in a couple of different posts and then when it was shown to everyone you bailed to this sorry ass excuse. Sorry, epic fail.