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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 11:41:31 AM   
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Dense! So the KKK have Relationships unique to their type of community. Why don't you bail on your attitude about them as well. VML, you made racist statements that have been shown in bold and red by in a couple of different posts and then when it was shown to everyone you bailed to this sorry ass excuse. Sorry, epic fail.

You compare University communities with the murderous, lynching KKK white supremacists?

How sick is that?

It's a logical extension of the excuse you used to try and avoid repercussions of your racist statement. It does show exactly how sick your efforts are, I agree.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 11:59:47 AM   
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Here is an article from today's USA Today, hardly a right wing rag.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/19/title-ix-federal-bureacracy-campuses-glenn-reynolds-column/95585446/

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If you want to see how the federal bureaucracy can mess things up, and create huge new areas of overburdening regulation, just look at what it’s done with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.

Title IX simply reads: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” That’s all.

But from this small, simple statement — there shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex — has been created a regulatory Tower of Babel governing sports teams, student discipline and even, and most dubiously, sexual consent.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 12:16:44 PM   
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Here is an article from today's USA Today, hardly a right wing rag.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/19/title-ix-federal-bureacracy-campuses-glenn-reynolds-column/95585446/

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If you want to see how the federal bureaucracy can mess things up, and create huge new areas of overburdening regulation, just look at what it’s done with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.

Title IX simply reads: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” That’s all.

But from this small, simple statement — there shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex — has been created a regulatory Tower of Babel governing sports teams, student discipline and even, and most dubiously, sexual consent.


If you wish to start a thread on abuses engendered by federal regulations, feel free to do so without fear of being slandered a racist as I was by you. But federal regulatory abuse is not the point of my thread. The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes texted racial and sexist remarks nurtured by the protective blanket of white male privilege that prevails in America. But, you cannot address that without slandering me, can you? And yet, your aggressive reaction suggests you have a niggling suspicion that I am correct, so you'd rather smother the thought before it gains purchase.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 12:40:00 PM   
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Here is an article from today's USA Today, hardly a right wing rag.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/19/title-ix-federal-bureacracy-campuses-glenn-reynolds-column/95585446/

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If you want to see how the federal bureaucracy can mess things up, and create huge new areas of overburdening regulation, just look at what it’s done with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.

Title IX simply reads: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” That’s all.

But from this small, simple statement — there shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex — has been created a regulatory Tower of Babel governing sports teams, student discipline and even, and most dubiously, sexual consent.


If you wish to start a thread on abuses engendered by federal regulations, feel free to do so without fear of being slandered a racist as I was by you. But federal regulatory abuse is not the point of my thread. The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes texted racial and sexist remarks nurtured by the protective blanket of white male privilege that prevails in America. But, you cannot address that without slandering me, can you? And yet, your aggressive reaction suggests you have a niggling suspicion that I am correct, so you'd rather smother the thought before it gains purchase.

I'll, actually, comment anywhere I want and at anytime I want without your little racist permission. With you, I've discussed your little racist presentation here. With others I've discussed relavent issue that arose in the discussion.

But, let me guess, you're still pretending like you don't know what racist comment you made aren't ya?

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 2:17:00 PM   
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my rewording/take on Vincent's recent comment to you goes like this:

'The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes texted juvenile remarks and were disproportionately punished by an oppressive nanny state that prevails in American institutions.'

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 2:19:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Here is an article from today's USA Today, hardly a right wing rag.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/19/title-ix-federal-bureacracy-campuses-glenn-reynolds-column/95585446/

quote:

If you want to see how the federal bureaucracy can mess things up, and create huge new areas of overburdening regulation, just look at what it’s done with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.

Title IX simply reads: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” That’s all.

But from this small, simple statement — there shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex — has been created a regulatory Tower of Babel governing sports teams, student discipline and even, and most dubiously, sexual consent.


If you wish to start a thread on abuses engendered by federal regulations, feel free to do so without fear of being slandered a racist as I was by you. But federal regulatory abuse is not the point of my thread. The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes texted racial and sexist remarks nurtured by the protective blanket of white male privilege that prevails in America. But, you cannot address that without slandering me, can you? And yet, your aggressive reaction suggests you have a niggling suspicion that I am correct, so you'd rather smother the thought before it gains purchase.

I'll, actually, comment anywhere I want and at anytime I want without your little racist permission. With you, I've discussed your little racist presentation here. With others I've discussed relavent issue that arose in the discussion.

But, let me guess, you're still pretending like you don't know what racist comment you made aren't ya?

Nope, nothing racist about my presentation and nothing inaccurate.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 2:29:57 PM   
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my rewording/take on Vincent's recent comment to you goes like this:

'The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes texted juvenile remarks and were disproportionately punished by an oppressive nanny state that prevails in American institutions.'

You do not know the remarks were juvenile. Characterizing them in such a protective fashion ~ boys will be boys, yanno ~ is part of the narrative supplied by the comforter of white male privilege that gives these boys presumed license to slander women and people of color in a fashion similar to the license you feel you have to slander as racist my presentation. You might like to suggest that there is no tolerance for a forthright discussion of American white male privilege but you would be wrong. Your silence is notable when other posters come to this forum and whine about perceived feminist bullying of white males. White privilege dulls the eyes and closes the mind to what "others" are trying to express. You are no better than wooden dummies in this arena, dulled of your senses as your are.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 3:51:22 PM   
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"Now that our man Trump is elected ... time to organize tar & feather VIGILANTE SQUADS," said a flier at Texas State University. And that was before white nationalist Richard Spencer spoke at Texas A&M University.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/12/16/texas-state-university-fliers-donald-trump/95525134/

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 4:58:44 PM   
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'The point that should be readily apparent by those who can set aside their own agenda for a moment is that these scholar athletes


Were they scholar athletes? If so, they would have have signed papers agreeing to standards of character. According to statements made by administrators at all of these colleges, this behavior conflicts with standards explicitly set for athletes. But things like that are tied into scholarships, particularly.

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texted

Not just texted. Group email threads, and some were also publicly published for years at a time, updated yearly, including info such as pics of the girls along side degrading remarks and judgments made by the boys


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juvenile remarks


I have been working with juveniles for the past 20 years; overheard their talk in the hall, taken up notes, found papers with notes on them, seen their blogs on the web that they don’t realize school counselors and college admissions offices look for, etc. And I never saw things that reached the level of most of what content was available in the reports. Below are excerpts from the reports, or are quotes straight from the emails/texts in question.

Here you’ll see me with my main bitch ***** and my side hoe *****. Also notice the bump where my penis should be. That’s my penis. The upperclassmen know not to fuck around with these two lovelies, but freshman be warned: touch either of my meat slabs and I will fucking end you. Especially *****. God knows the little one can’t protect herself.”

asians really have horizontal vaginas”


In the email, the team member refers to one woman as “a walking STD,” and writes, “Everyone needs their meatslab,”referring to another. He describes a third woman – “Without being too mean, she is a stuck up, snobby, bitch; AKA the perfect formal date for the desperate members of our team.”

Many debate what’s more disturbing: his fetish for the anus or his fetish for the Orient.” One of the jokes hinges on confusing two women of color personally known to the team. Another description suggests that a member of the team enjoys sexually pursuing children. A description of a current senior on the team reads “Sure, when you first meet him you may think: “Woah, is that dude in the trench coat going to rape me?”

The texts in question include wrestlers regaling each other with descriptions of their fellow students such as “fish pussy,” “ugly socially awkward cunts,” and “nigs.”


And the reports described below were the ones created each year, updated, and shared as a public Google document, there for all the world to see, to be shared. Complete with pictures of the girls and the degrading things the boys had to say about the them.


In what appears to have been a yearly team tradition, a member of Harvard’s 2012 men’s soccer team produced a document that, in sexually explicit terms, individually assessed and evaluated freshmen recruits from the 2012 women’s soccer team based on their perceived physical attractiveness and sexual appeal.
The author and his teammates referred to the nine-page document as a “scouting report,” and the author circulated the document over the group’s email list on July 31, 2012.

In lewd terms, the author of the report individually evaluated each female recruit, assigning them numerical scores and writing paragraph-long assessments of the women. The document also included photographs of each woman, most of which, the author wrote, were culled from Facebook or the Internet.

The author of the “report” often included sexually explicit descriptions of the women. He wrote of one woman that “she looks like the kind of girl who both likes to dominate, and likes to be dominated.”

Each woman was assigned a hypothetical sexual “position” in addition to her position on the soccer field.

“She seems relatively simple and probably inexperienced sexually, so I decided missionary would be her preferred position,” the author wrote about one woman. “Doggy style,” “The Triple Lindy,” and “cowgirl” were listed as possible positions for other women.

The author also assigned each woman a nickname, calling one woman “Gumbi” because “her gum to tooth ratio is about 1 to 1.”

“For that reason I am forced to rate her a 6,” the author added.

“She seems to be very strong, tall and manly so, I gave her a 3 because I felt bad. Not much needs to be said on this one folks,” the author wrote about another woman.

Concluding his assessment of one woman, the author wrote, “Yeah… She wants cock.”

The “report” appears to have been an annual practice. At the beginning of the document, the author writes that “while some of the scouting report last year was wrong, the overall consensus that” a certain player “was both the hottest and the most STD ridden was confirmed.”


These were updated and publicly available until 2014, despite administrators efforts to stop it.





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and were disproportionately punished by an oppressive nanny state that prevails in American institutions.'

In the business world, people lose their jobs all the time for things just like this. These boys are not being suspended from the university or anything like that. Their sports are being restricted.

Sports are a privilege.

Their education is not being affected.

If this were a job, they probably would have been fired.

Whatever happened to people being held accountable for their actions?

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 5:57:41 PM   
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using their actual quotes doesn't change my mind. they were idiots, but that is in part, the nature of youth and unfortunately, to be expected.

college is a privilege too. whats more, athletics are a vital part of the overall mission of universities, or they wouldn't have them. so yes, their education is/already has been affected. but im not saying, generally speaking, that that's necessarily a wrong thing either. im just disagreeing with you on those points.

im all for people being held accountable for their actions. however, the athletes in question earned their spots on their respective teams and their actions had nothing to do with them AS athletes. being an idiot is not a violation of ncaa rules. its almost like saying you got caught cheating on an exam, so youre fired from working in the dining hall.

however, yes, schools have their own codes of conduct, and in-house athlete codes of conduct as well, which they no doubt broke and in part, harmed the reputation of their respective universities in the process. im not defending the students.

at the same time, "speech codes", which is essentially what we are talking about here, are an affront to liberty, however offensive we might find it.

and I don't have the answer to what their discipline should be, but at the very least I can say, its unfortunate all the way around.

it appears there have been a handful of these instances in the past couple of years, which is interesting in itself...

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/19/2016 6:44:42 PM   
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heres some insider news from part of the Harvard stories, that's worth reading:

http://jezebel.com/harvard-womens-soccer-team-responds-to-the-men-who-wrot-1788398656

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 1:06:23 AM   
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If a Black Woman texted out "Kill White Men" do you think they would be all over her about it ?

T^T

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 2:09:45 AM   
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If a Black Woman texted out "Kill White Men" do you think they would be all over her about it ?

T^T


Of course not. Leftists are very deeply stupid hypicrites. They lecture white men about equality while wanting double standards at nearly every turn.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 5:47:14 AM   
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If a Black Woman texted out "Kill White Men" do you think they would be all over her about it ?

T^T

straw woman



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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 6:03:18 AM   
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using their actual quotes doesn't change my mind. they were idiots, but that is in part, the nature of youth and unfortunately, to be expected.
You miss the main point right at the top of your remarks on the "nature of youth." Both sexes at University make up the body of "youth" and yet there is no evidence that the women engaged in such behavior. So, in reality this is the nature of privileged white male youth at these universities specifically.

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at the same time, "speech codes", which is essentially what we are talking about here, are an affront to liberty, however offensive we might find it.
No one has the "liberty" to slander young women in any civil society.



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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 7:38:37 AM   
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first I might say:

Vincent, using the dictionary definitions of the terms "sexist" and "racist", please explain exactly how what these students did fit those definitions.

Definition of sexism
1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principlesb : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

but then there is this (from Merriam-Webster):

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Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word’s meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes. The lexicographer’s role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals. When discussing concepts like racism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.


which has an awful lot of truth to it when you consider that liberals typically make up their own definitions of words to suit their narrative.

it also might come as a surprise to the comrades with pseudo-heightened sensitivities, but to men, women are sex objects.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 7:50:09 AM   
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But that quote doesn't say the arguers are accurate--quite the opposite: it says they're likely to ignore established use in favor of making up their own meaning. We see that here often.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 8:13:55 AM   
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Just because these white boys made such texts, it means they are privileged, apparently. Unless there is another answer from Vincent to that matter.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 8:56:52 AM   
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You don't think it might be a reference to your constant whining about how the oppressed the poor white guy is by the feminazi conspiracy, then?
(Don't try telling me they don't have sarcasm in Australia: it's where Clive James and Barry Humphries come from, FFS.)

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/20/2016 9:10:34 AM   
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Here is an article from today's USA Today, hardly a right wing rag.

It's an opinion piece, not a news article.

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