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Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 4:01:20 PM   
Hillwilliam


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FUCKED

When Mr Trump was campaigning in this area, he made a lot of promises to coal miners.
Well. They're fucked.

The cabinet spot that would most affect their future is going to be held by a CEO of Big Oil
I am not criticizing this appointment in any way. Mr Trump knows and presumably trusts Billionaire businessmen as he is one. His appointments are to be expected by anyone who has a functioning brain.

Hillary would have appointed political types.
Colin Powell (dammit, why didn't he run several years ago) would have appointed military types but I digress.

Big Oil sells.........energy
Big Coal sells...........energy.
They are competitors.

One could no more expect a former big oil exec to smooth the road for big coal (his competitor) than you could expect Jerry Jones to change the rules to help the Redskins if he were to become NFL commish.

It ain't gonna happen.

If you are an investor, Big oil is where it's gonna be.
If you own any coal stocks.........SELL them bastages.

If you're a coal miner. Get ready to be retrained for another trade.

We be frackin.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 4:32:58 PM   
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.....dying younger than almost all, people...on average.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 4:53:51 PM   
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No kidding. It would be a blessing for them to be retrained to do something else for their own health and well- being.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 7:04:51 PM   
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There's an interesting piece about the bullshit Indiana Carrier deal that doesn't really do anything, stating Trump likes the appearance of a victory.

That's probably what coal will get -- some symbolic gesture that doesn't really do what he pretends.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 8:36:46 PM   
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No kidding. It would be a blessing for them to be retrained to do something else for their own health and well- being.


They voted for Trump to prevent that from happening.
It was central to his campaign.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 8:53:29 PM   
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No kidding. It would be a blessing for them to be retrained to do something else for their own health and well- being.


They voted for Trump to prevent that from happening.
It was central to his campaign.


Yes i know. We'll see what happens, but i just think in this particular case it would be better for them personally to find another line of work.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 9:09:06 PM   
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well this happened dec 8th, I would say those poor buggers hurting are fucked.


WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats on Tuesday blasted a proposal by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to temporarily protect health care benefits for thousands of retired coal miners.
The benefits are set to expire at the end of the year, and McConnell said he is working with House Speaker Paul Ryan to include money for the miners in a short-term spending bill slated for a vote this week.
But Democrats said the GOP solution only lasts for a few months and does not protect pension benefits that also are at risk. McConnell's proposal would pay for miners' health care for the next four months by seizing money from their current health-care plan, Democrats said.
"The Republican leader is turning his back on American coal miners," said Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio.
Brown and other Democrats said they will push for a bipartisan bill that would protect retirement and health-care benefits for about 120,000 retired coal miners and their families.
Republicans have blocked a vote on the bill on the Senate floor. McConnell and other GOP leaders are wary of bailing out unionized workers, with some arguing that all coal miners should get the help.
Some Republicans also say the bill could pressure Congress to offer similar help to other cash-strapped pension funds. Their opposition was criticized by Brown and other Democrats.
"We had the chance to protect the retirement and health care coal miners have earned and save taxpayers money in the process, but Washington leaders chose to pull a bait and switch instead," Brown said. "This is everything that's wrong with Washington."
Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., said he would block other bills on the Senate floor until miners get their full health care and pension money — about $3 billion over the next 10 years. Manchin warned colleagues they may have to stay through Christmas unless the issue is resolved.
In a speech on the Senate floor, Manchin said retired miners deserve benefits that are now at risk amid the coal industry's steep decline and bankruptcies of several large mining companies. Without congressional intervention, some of the funds could run out of cash by next year, according to the United Mine Workers of America.
"We are the country that we are because of the hard work that they've done," Manchin said, referring to miners in his state and across Appalachia.
"If we don't stand for the people that have made our country as great as it is, we stand for nothing," Manchin said.
McConnell said his plan would protect benefits for miners suffering from what he called the Obama administration's "war on coal," combined with "challenges within the energy market (that) have led to a dramatic increase in bankruptcies and lost coal jobs, exhausting the health benefits of thousands of coal workers and retirees."
While he recognizes the plan "will not solve the challenges of every coal miner or retiree in Kentucky, this provision will help address many of the health care needs of thousands of miners who fell victim to the steep downturn in coal production," McConnell said.
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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 9:31:43 PM   
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Well, Obama just used a law to ban drilling in the Arctic indefinitely-- so maybe not as much competition from the oil industry as was once thought.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/20/2016 9:35:06 PM   
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I dont think that will be law long, personally

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 12:59:01 AM   
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...able to find other jobs that are much better if they just get in their cars and leave coal country...

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 2:24:17 AM   
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if your post isn't an example of "you cannot get there from here," I don't know what is.

apart from that in many cases oil and coal are not in direct competition with each other, one of trump's goals is American energy independence, which means an "all of the above strategy."

that includes coal.

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One could no more expect a former big oil exec to smooth the road for big coal (his competitor) than you could expect Jerry Jones to change the rules to help the Redskins if he were to become NFL commish.


and yes, one could---it'll be the guy's job. unless your cynicism is so deep that you believe the purpose of his position is only to enrich his own particular cronies as opposed to helping the country as a whole?

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 2:34:42 AM   
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... daddies to a bunch of Loretta Lynns.

OK, maybe not all of them.

sigh ... Butcher's Holler ain't never gonna be the same.



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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 2:40:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
quote:

One could no more expect a former big oil exec to smooth the road for big coal (his competitor) than you could expect Jerry Jones to change the rules to help the Redskins if he were to become NFL commish.


and yes, one could---it'll be the guy's job. unless your cynicism is so deep that you believe the purpose of his position is only to enrich his own particular cronies as opposed to helping the country as a whole?


So he's not going to go all Dick Cheney on us, you are saying?




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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 2:50:31 AM   
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I mean, get real folks, WTF have Republicans ever been any other use for? And why Hillary got tossed aside, voters' way of saying "well shit, if you fuckass Democrats are just going to do the same thing ... "

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 2:54:00 AM   
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Yeah, yeah ...

"Change!"

Gosh, we've never had a Secretary of the Interior who hated trees before, or not like we've ever had a head of EPA who lubbed industrial toxins before. Or never had guys in charge of the money straight from Goldman Sachs before.

This will be flooding the swamp like we've never seen before. Insiders for every cabinet post and every administrative position.

Oh, one can just smell 'Change!' in the air, no?

Grab a gas mask, folks.



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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 6:54:18 AM   
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quote:

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I dont think that will be law long, personally

I don't know. Presidents of both parties have used this, and reporting says it would be difficult to change, at least, it's never been challenged before, and would be unprecedented.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 10:31:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FUCKED

When Mr Trump was campaigning in this area, he made a lot of promises to coal miners.
Well. They're fucked.

The cabinet spot that would most affect their future is going to be held by a CEO of Big Oil
I am not criticizing this appointment in any way. Mr Trump knows and presumably trusts Billionaire businessmen as he is one. His appointments are to be expected by anyone who has a functioning brain.

Hillary would have appointed political types.
Colin Powell (dammit, why didn't he run several years ago) would have appointed military types but I digress.

Big Oil sells.........energy
Big Coal sells...........energy.
They are competitors.

One could no more expect a former big oil exec to smooth the road for big coal (his competitor) than you could expect Jerry Jones to change the rules to help the Redskins if he were to become NFL commish.

It ain't gonna happen.

If you are an investor, Big oil is where it's gonna be.
If you own any coal stocks.........SELL them bastages.

If you're a coal miner. Get ready to be retrained for another trade.

We be frackin.

And...you're seeing this with the same eyes that saw a Clinton (the rape apologist) landslide. Still working through those five stages of grief.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 11:04:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FUCKED

When Mr Trump was campaigning in this area, he made a lot of promises to coal miners.
Well. They're fucked.

The cabinet spot that would most affect their future is going to be held by a CEO of Big Oil
I am not criticizing this appointment in any way. Mr Trump knows and presumably trusts Billionaire businessmen as he is one. His appointments are to be expected by anyone who has a functioning brain.

Hillary would have appointed political types.
Colin Powell (dammit, why didn't he run several years ago) would have appointed military types but I digress.

Big Oil sells.........energy
Big Coal sells...........energy.
They are competitors.

One could no more expect a former big oil exec to smooth the road for big coal (his competitor) than you could expect Jerry Jones to change the rules to help the Redskins if he were to become NFL commish.

It ain't gonna happen.

If you are an investor, Big oil is where it's gonna be.
If you own any coal stocks.........SELL them bastages.

If you're a coal miner. Get ready to be retrained for another trade.

We be frackin.

And...you're seeing this with the same eyes that saw a Clinton (the rape apologist) landslide. Still working through those five stages of grief.

still lying thru your teeth?



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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 11:45:53 AM   
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Lol, bile, no substance. Why would you even think anything you say is pertinent or interesting?

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/21/2016 12:06:50 PM   
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No kidding. It would be a blessing for them to be retrained to do something else for their own health and well- being.

Fifty-five year old men and women retrained to flip burgers.



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