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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:14:30 PM   
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Edweird, thanks for helping me make my point.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:15:18 PM   
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something essential, but left out of the conversation:

"Donald Trump Has Named a Pro-Coal Advocate to Watch Over America’s National Parks"

(sensationalist headlines aside)

quote:

President-elect Donald Trump on Thursday named U.S. Representative Ryan Zinke of Montana, a former Navy SEAL commander and a proponent of coal development on federal lands, as his choice for secretary of the interior...

As a single-term U.S. representative, Zinke took several stances favoring coal, a fossil fuel that suffered during the administration of President Barack Obama as development of natural gas and renewable energy soared.
Zinke, 55, pushed to end a moratorium on federal coal leases on public lands by 2019, saying it had resulted in closed mines and job cuts.

He also helped introduce a bill expanding tax credits for coal-burning power plants that bury carbon dioxide emissions underground to fight climate change, a measure supported by coal interests and some moderate environmental groups. In introducing the bill, Zinke said he wanted to keep "coal, oil and gas communities viable for generations to come."...


http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/donald-trump-zinke-interior-secretary/

oh and, big oil owns coal companies...


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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:22:45 PM   
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Since coal is the main fuel for making electricity, what do you propose to use when charging your electric car?

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:30:56 PM   
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and rick perry, department of energy secretary:

(unless something's changed since last I looked)

"As Governor, Perry Backed Wind, Gas and Coal"

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“The governor’s energy priorities will be centered around scaling back the E.P.A.’s intrusive, misguided and job-killing policies, which will empower states to foster their own energy resources without crippling mandates and open the doors for our nation to pursue and strengthen an all-of-the-above energy approach,” Mr. Miner wrote in an e-mail.

“America is rich in energy resources, both traditional and renewable, and those resources should all be utilized so we can decrease our dependence on foreign energy sources and help generate greater job growth, which our nation desperately needs.”

To unpack what this means, it is worth reviewing Mr. Perry’s record on energy, a huge driver of the Texas economy. One theme that Mr. Perry often emphasizes, and that Mr. Miner suggested would help shape a nationwide policy, has been energy diversification. Over Mr. Perry’s decade as governor, natural gas drilling has surged, and wind last year supplied nearly 8 percent of the electricity on the Texas grid, up from less than 1 percent in 2000, when Mr. Perry took office. The state’s first biomass power plant began operating this month, and, contrary to the national trend, Mr. Perry has also backed construction of new coal-fired power plants….

Coal
Under Mr. Perry, Texas has moved eagerly to build coal-fired power plants, even as other states have stopped issuing permits for the plants because of pollution concerns.

In 2005, the governor issued an executive order that allowed a more rapid approval of coal plant permits. A major electric company, TXU, sought to build 11 coal-plant units, though those plans ultimately fell apart after private equity firms bought the company and committed to environmental improvements…

The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the state’s environmental agency, which is headed by three Perry appointees, continues to award coal plant permits. Nine proposed plants have received permits. (Nineteen coal plants already operate across the state.)

Mr. Perry, an outspoken fan of “clean coal,” also lashes out regularly against the E.P.A., which wants to tighten restrictions on air pollutants like ozone and mercury that could shut down older coal plants. Texas is also leading the fight against federal greenhouse gas regulation.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/us/21ttenergy.html

oh and big oil owns coal companies...

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:31:11 PM   
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas

Natural gas can be "associated" (found in oil fields), or "non-associated" (isolated in natural gas fields), and is also found in coal beds (as coalbed methane).[12] It sometimes contains a significant amount of ethane, propane, butane, and pentane—heavier hydrocarbons removed for commercial use prior to the methane being sold as a consumer fuel or chemical plant feedstock. Non-hydrocarbons such as carbon dioxide, nitrogen, helium (rarely), and hydrogen sulfide must also be removed before the natural gas can be transported.[13]


http://oilgasglossary.com/non_associated_gas.html

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/nonassociated-gas+reservoir

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:32:14 PM   
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have no idea why are you asking me that.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 12:42:20 PM   
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Gas fields and drilling companies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 5:08:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


Wow! What a mixed up and disorganized thought process. Must be tough to be you. Maybe you should read things again. This time, think, think really hard about what was actually said.

Translation. "I can't backpedal any further so I'll just attack the poster."

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Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 5:10:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Gas fields and drilling companies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field

Bout time the Israelis catch a break.

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Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 8:52:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Gas fields and drilling companies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field

Bout time the Israelis catch a break.

You know what, something we agree upon. Merry Christmas.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/24/2016 9:54:08 PM   
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Edweird, thanks for helping me make my point.


So, telling you that you're FOS is helping you make your point.

I never expected you to get this all at once, glad to see your progress in any case.



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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/25/2016 12:36:21 AM   
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oh and big oil owns coal companies...


Why do you keep saying this?
So this means they would keep unprofitable mines open just so that people can keep their jobs?

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/25/2016 8:42:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


Wow! What a mixed up and disorganized thought process. Must be tough to be you. Maybe you should read things again. This time, think, think really hard about what was actually said.

Translation. "I can't backpedal any further so I'll just attack the poster."

Translated: Either you didn't read what was written, didn't understand the conversation, or lost track of the conversation between when you read it and when you responded because your response was out in left field. My response to you was fair in that regard as what you said was too nonsensical for a reply.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/25/2016 8:44:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Edweird, thanks for helping me make my point.


So, telling you that you're FOS is helping you make your point.

I never expected you to get this all at once, glad to see your progress in any case.



Do you notice that nobody else ever replies to you. You make my point by making comments that make other people cringe for you.

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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/25/2016 1:47:42 PM   
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part of the story...


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RE: Coal miners are............. - 12/26/2016 5:54:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
oh and big oil owns coal companies...


Why do you keep saying this?
So this means they would keep unprofitable mines open just so that people can keep their jobs?

...given big oils' known humanitarian concerns . . .


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